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Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« on: March 30, 2008, 06:22:51 AM »
I've gone cross-eyed doing searches. I've been reading for days. I'm tired. Is it possible to take the 17HM2 varmint barrel and re-chamber it to a 17Rem? Is the barrel strong enough to handle the new round? Will it fit the center-fire frame? It will save  a lot of time vs. ordering a new barrel. I can buy a 17 HM2 for $150 approx. I think I saw  that Trotterlg may have tried this a while back. Could be wrong though. Have been reading many different topics.

Anyone have answers/ideas for a swap or donor barrel?

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2008, 07:22:41 AM »
I know others have done it from a 17hmr barrel.  I am unsure of the twist rates on the two barrels.  Someone on here will have the answer on the hm2, but the hmr will definately work.    Good luck

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2008, 07:28:52 AM »
Twist rate in both is 1:9".

Rimfire barrels are made of 1137 mild steel, centerfire rifle barrels are 4140 alloy, I think that at least partly explains why those that have done 17 Rems from the 17 rimfires haven't been real happy with them.  :'(

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2008, 07:42:03 AM »
Quick,

I was afraid of that. It would have been so easy too. They are both right here in the local gun shop. And a descent price too.
Well, do you have any options/ideas? I'm just north of the border (Can. and US.). It seems that barrel makers are running a 2-3 months behind because of the export papers. I wonder if Fred would have any answers? Maybe he would take me aside and teach me the trade :D.

Thanks anyway,

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2008, 08:39:42 AM »
Your best option would either be a stubbed barrel, or have a donor underlug welded to a barrel blank, I've having that done for a 6.5x55 made from a Shilen blank, Wayne York of Oregunsmithing is doing the work, but don't count on it getting done soon, he's had my parts for almost a year now. :(

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2008, 08:53:58 AM »
NoBull60

If your not dead set on the 17 Rem , you may want to look at maybe a 17 Bee , 17 Hornet or even the 17 / 30 carbine all 3 would do wonders in the milder steel of the Rimfire barrel .

Just something to think about .

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2008, 09:32:35 AM »
I have done both a rechamber to 17 remington and a stub project to 17 Rem Fireball.  Older NEF 17 barrels were made by Green Mountian and were 4140 steel, that is what I did my 17 remington on.  The stub project used a Clerk 17 barrel which is also 4140 steel.  The milder steel barrel may be good for the fireball, it is a 55K round as opposed to the 17 Remington which is a 65K round.  I have the fireball near done and will shoot it next weekend.  Larry
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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2008, 12:18:28 PM »
Quick, Tim, etc,

Sorry here about your wait on the 6.5. I don't have access to a good gunsmith here so I will probably go with a Savage donor action and a finished barrel. I thought that re-chambering a barrel might save me from the wait involved with a custom barrel. This way I could get my Rem 17 or 17M4 sooner. I thought I could get my reloading equipment after I find the right caliber.

Larry,

Would mind keeping me informed about your success with the barrel that your working on. I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks to all.

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2008, 12:22:42 PM »
That probably makes more sense. ;)

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2008, 04:54:58 PM »
I have done both a rechamber to 17 remington and a stub project to 17 Rem Fireball.  Older NEF 17 barrels were made by Green Mountian and were 4140 steel, that is what I did my 17 remington on.    Larry

Larry,
So, what qualifies as an older NEF 17 barrel? Is there a latest year to look for?
Thanks.
Don

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2008, 05:13:45 PM »
A better question would be how to tell  the 1137 barrels from 4140 since there's no way of knowing the source of a barrel that ultimately ends up on a rifle.  All current production rimfires are 1137 including the 17s, Marlin started making the barrels for H&R a couple years ago, but there's no way of knowing which are which since there's only a year of manufacture on the frame as part of the serial number prefix, not on the barrel. :-\

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2008, 03:03:59 AM »
A better question would be how to tell  the 1137 barrels from 4140 since there's no way of knowing the source of a barrel that ultimately ends up on a rifle.
Tim

Tim,

You're right, of course. The question I should have asked was how to tell the difference between the 1137 and 4140.  So, is there an easily test-able property (without an extensive lab) that will differentiate between the two?

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2008, 05:28:59 AM »
Dunno, that would be a question best answered by the metallurgists amongst us. ;D

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 10:29:45 AM »
The only way to be sure of the barrel is to have the steel analyzed by a metalurgical lab.  This question is ask often enough maybe someone can contact a lab to see what the cost would be then everyone interested could chip in and get it done, then sticky the results.

AISI 1137 is plain cold rolled steel, Hi sulfur, Lo phosphorus,  37% carbon, no Chromium, moly or vanadium, 95K psi tensile and 85K psi yield strength, 187 Bhn.  As such it isn't as strong or as wear resistant than 41XX steels, but plenty strong enough for 17 cal up to 17 FB/17 Mach IV.  I wouldn't do a 17 Rem just because of the higher pressure and heat generated would wear the barrel out that much faster, and someone would have a brain fart and push the limits beyond all reason.  I wouldn't spend the money to have a 'smith re-chamber a RF barrel, but I can do the job for less than 50 bucks so it is worth the cost of the rental and the knowledge gained.

I will do a 17 HMR to 17 FB sometime later this month...I still have two boxes of RF to use up before renting the reamer.  The only thing you have to do is re chamber and use a SB2 CF frame and maybe adjust the headspace.

The accuracy of the barrel is a function of the chamber alignment and several other factors so whether this re chamber will shoot or not depends on how straight I get the it and the barrels original potential.  I've re chambered several barrels with off center and wobbled chambers to larger cases...some came out great while others didn't do so well...but all were well within "normal" hunting accuracy.

I just finished a stub frame and 3 barrels...two on old takeoff Douglas barrels previously a 6mm-284 and 22-243 Midd.  I have a set of 6mm BR Redding bushing FL dies so rechambering the barrels to 6mm BR and 22 BR was a no brainer, plus 7mm BR brass is still available and much cheaper than 6mm or 22 BR brass (if you can find them).  Both barrels will end up 17"...I wanted a short handy rifle plus getting past any major wear from the hotter wildcats...and this is a "check it out before spending major bucks" project.  I am learning a lesson a minute with the three barrels.  The last barrel is a takeoff 22" .223 Ruger SS #1 taper that never shot worth a hoot due to an off center and wobbled out chamber.  I sent it back to Ruger once for warranty but they didn't get it right so I just pulled the barrel and installed a Shilen.

I just ordered brass, dovetail locks and extra frame spacers so when the brass comes in I will rent reamers for the 22 and 6mm BR and get the barrels chambered, probably by the end of next week.  I will do a hanger system for the for ends with a pillar in the wood.

This is an interesting project...for me at least...and I will post my results good or bad as time goes by.

Tried to post a picture of the rifle and barrels but with my slow dial-up, the ad and picture intensive screens, and my luck, that was a no go.  It takes long enough just posting a reply.

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2008, 11:42:03 AM »
all else aside how do you move the firing pin from rim to centerfire?
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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2008, 12:14:29 PM »
You don't you put the rechambered barrel on an SB2 rifle frame.

Tim
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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2008, 12:16:43 PM »
See if this works.

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2008, 12:23:08 PM »
Tim...did is mess up here someplace...???  I swapped the 17 HMR RF barrel onto a SB2 frame and it seemed to work...other than needing the ejector changed from RF to a .473" size and the headspace adjusted. 

Did I miss seeing something important???


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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2008, 12:31:53 PM »
It'll lock up an fit fine, but the firing pin won't hit the primer on either one, SB2 with rimfire barrel, or SS1 with CF barrel.

Tim

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2008, 01:05:54 PM »
I don't mean to be dense here...I see your picture and had already tried it with both an empty and a live 17 HMR by putting the RF barrel on a SB2 frame and pulling the trigger... just to make sure.  It didn't fire of course and when I swapped the 17 HMR barrel back onto the SB1 RF frame the 17 HMR fired and took out a pinecone at about 75 yards...and the case had both firing pin impact craters.

I'm talking about re chambering a 17 HRM rimfire barrel and putting it on a SB2 CF frame...the CF frame will hit the CF primer right in the middle.  I just tried it to be sure I didn't just have a brain fart.  Don't mess with me...I get confused easily. :D...and I meant a .378 ejector...not the .473 as I posted...I still have the BR cases stuck in my brain.

You can see both impacts if this picture will post.

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2008, 01:12:38 PM »
Rimfire barrels that are rechambered to centerfire chamberings work fine on SB2 frames assuming they're fitted properly and the ejector/extractor conversion is done, there have been several done here, the only caveat is rimfire barrels are made of 1137 instead of 4140, so longevity may be a question as far as some of the hotter chamberings. ;)

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2008, 01:27:18 PM »
OK...I see we're on the same page.  I thought I covered the 1137 problem in my previous posts.  You had me getting all hot and bothered I was just about to do something I hadn't already thoroughly thought through and was totally oblivious of something I didn't see...something like being very indefinitely unpositive about something I didn't know the slightest thing about. :D

I will be posting pictures and other information as it happens.

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2008, 02:21:13 PM »
I now have a 17HMR barrel in my hand and will probably cut the chamber to 17 FB tonight if I don't drink too much.  I have to make a little collar to go on the barrel to run the steady rest on so I don't screw up the blueing, but the chamber is dead easy.  I will take pictures.  Larry
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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2008, 04:56:20 AM »
Larry,

 I guess this is the one I PM'ed you about. The 17 FB isn't really that much slower than the 17 Rem. So, :-\ it may be just as cost/time effective for my coyote project rifle without the wait. Provided I keep the distance under 200 yds. Which will be fairly easy considering calling in my neck of the woods.
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Not to hijack the discussion about 17Rem conversions ......
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2008, 11:46:59 AM »
HOW WELL  will a .22 WMR handle the pressures of the cartridge if rechambered in .22 Hornet?  Or .221 [standard] Fireball?

All three rounds share the .224 bore.  Thanks.

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2008, 12:41:19 PM »
I don't think the pressure would be a problem. The 22 Mag and depending on when it was made the Hornet have a RF bore, the twist rate will be a 1 in 16 for the 22 Mag I think.  Larry
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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2008, 01:40:08 PM »
Just to let everyone know the 218 Bee has over 3000 rounds down the tube now and is showing no signs of wearing out , granted I shoot mostly mid-range loads as the hotter stuff seams to open the groups up badly .

Had i to do it again i would use the longer Hornet barrel just to get the extra 2" for better balance , but all in all it is doing just fine with the 22 mag barrel .

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2008, 02:39:05 PM »
Just to let everyone know the 218 Bee has over 3000 rounds down the tube now and is showing no signs of wearing out , granted I shoot mostly mid-range loads as the hotter stuff seams to open the groups up badly .

Had i to do it again i would use the longer Hornet barrel just to get the extra 2" for better balance , but all in all it is doing just fine with the 22 mag barrel .

stimpy

So, you used the 20", non-bull barrel.  Any particular reason, or is that just what was available?

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Re: Rechamber? 17HM2 to 17Rem?
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2008, 03:03:12 PM »
Don

It was what i had an extra of , needed the frame for a 22LR barrel that i picked up here .

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