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Secret DOJ Memo Says Fourth Amendment Has "No Application" After 9/11
Disclosure of classified documents reveal total dismissal of U.S. Constitution
   
Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Thursday, April 3, 2008
 
 
 
 
 
     

 The American Civil Liberties Union has uncovered details pertaining to a secret Justice Department memo from October 2001 that reveals the Bush administration effectively suspended the Fourth Amendment where domestic counter terrorism operations are concerned.

The ACLU reports that the memo states the "Fourth Amendment had no application to domestic military operations." after 9/11. In other words, the DOJ gave the White House a green light to effectively shelve Constitutional protection against unreasonable searches and seizures in the wake of the terror attacks.

The memo was written by then deputy assistant attorney general John Yoo, also the co-author of the PATRIOT Act and author of the now notorious torture memos.

It is almost certain that Yoo's memo was written to provide a legal basis for the NSA, a military intelligence agency, to begin its warrantless wiretapping program, which was initiated in the same month.

Just days after the memo's delivery to the White House, Dick Cheney and other administration officials briefed four House and Senate leaders on the NSA's secret terrorist surveillance program for the first time.

The existence of the 2001 memo came to light via a newly declassified March 2003 document from the Department of Justice's Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) entitled Military Interrogation of Alien Unlawful Combatants Held Outside the United States, which makes reference to the previous memo.

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The ACLU reports that this second memo takes the erosion of the Constitution beyond the Fourth Amendment and makes the case that the central due process guarantee of the Fifth Amendment, the protection against deprivation of life, liberty and property, can also be bypassed by the President.

"This memo makes a mockery of the Constitution and the rule of law," said Amrit Singh, a staff attorney with the ACLU. "That it was issued by the Justice Department, whose job it is to uphold the law, makes it even more unconscionable."

The March 2003 document was declassified by the Pentagon in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by the ACLU pertaining to the torture of prisoners in U.S. custody abroad.

In a footnote of the document it is written "Our office recently concluded that the Fourth Amendment had no application to domestic military operations", referring to a document titled Authority for Use of Military Force to Combat Terrorist Activities Within the United States."

"The recent disclosures underscore the Bush administration's extraordinarily sweeping conception of executive power," said Jameel Jaffer, Director of the ACLU's National Security Project. "The administration's lawyers believe the president should be permitted to violate statutory law, to violate international treaties, and even to violate the Fourth Amendment inside the U.S. They believe that the president should be above the law."

The AP reports that the Justice Department has refused to say if and when the legal opinion expressed in the two newly discovered memos was overturned internally, meaning that it could still be considered legally acceptable to forgo constitutional protections on the President's say so.

The ACLU has challenged the withholding of the October 2001 memo and the issue is pending before the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.

These two new memos provide more sections in the vast jigsaw of legislation that when pieced together makes up the complete overturning by the current administration of the protections provided to American citizens by the Constitution .

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Re: Secret DOJ Memo Says Fourth Amendment Has "No Application" After 9/11
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2008, 05:39:18 PM »
If you read the "opinion paper" you will find it is one staff attorney , forwarding an "OPINION PAPER" up the chain.I am not defending anyone with this but the ACLU thinks the NORTH AMERICAN MAN/BOY LOVE ASSOCIATION is ok nuff said. Consider the source Doug
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Re: Secret DOJ Memo Says Fourth Amendment Has "No Application" After 9/11
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2008, 12:43:12 AM »
I have no love for the ACLU, they don't seem to mind or defend blatant 2nd Amendment violations.

That being said, the Bush administration doesn't seem to mind violating the 4th Amendment on a continuous basis.

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Re: Secret DOJ Memo Says Fourth Amendment Has "No Application" After 9/11
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2008, 01:06:37 AM »
In time of war or national emergency this has been warranted.
That said it must be used with a cool head and the situation must clearly warrant such action.
This should be administered by a true statesman.
It is an individual Presidents decision and it must be absolutely correct.
Is this a situation that warrants such action?
I can't speak for anyone but myownself---your answer is just as important as mine.
I find not a single statesman in government.
I am not in agreement with much of the administrations thoughts and decisions on this subject.
They have more information than i have, I will admit.
So far they are too be construed as a bunch of unwise, self serving, party line following folks who are unable to make such decisions rationally.
Thanks for the use of the soap box.
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Re: Secret DOJ Memo Says Fourth Amendment Has "No Application" After 9/11
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2008, 02:48:58 AM »
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In other words, the DOJ gave the White House a green light to effectively shelve Constitutional protection against unreasonable searches and seizures in the wake of the terror attacks.

Just in case anyone here has forgotten: The white house is merely the residence of the US President. The house itself has no power but the man who lives there just happens to be the man in charge of the DOJ. So it's kinda foolish it seems to me to say the employee (DOJ) is giving the boss (President of the US) permission to do anything.

In fact the so called Patriot Acts passed since 9-11 have effectively gutted the US Constitution and it is Congress who has empowered the President to ignore any and all of the US Constitution any time he really wishes to do so under the guise of national security. That even includes disbanding Congress for a period of six months I believe. Does anyone really believe if that happens for six months that at the end of that time things would ever return to the way they were before?

If so I suggest you remove those rose tinted glasses and see the real world for what it is.


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Re: Secret DOJ Memo Says Fourth Amendment Has "No Application" After 9/11
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2008, 08:57:20 AM »
I am not agreeing or disagreeing with anything or anyone here.
Is the ACLU for anything other than causing problems.
I believe that in time of crisis we will have to forgo some rights or take a chance of loosing
them all. I also believe that some one a lot smarter than me has to decided when and what
constitutes a crisis. People keep saying Bush did this Bush did that and maybe he did, i didn't
know the President of the U.S.A. had ALL power and could do as he pleases. Their are lots of politicos
up their pointing fingers, where were they when the votes were takin.
Thank you and NO i will not accept the nomination.
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