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How many of u deer Hunters
« on: April 05, 2008, 10:31:51 AM »
I was wondering how many of u fellow deer hunters use Nosler Ballistic tip bullets to deer hunt with ? What Cal and weight do u use
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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2008, 09:20:07 AM »
I use 130 grain BT for my .270, and 180 gr Accubonds for deer. THe accu-bond is simply a bonded ballistic tip to hold together better at 300 WSM velocities. They have always killed like lightning when I did my part. However, I have had fewer pass-throughs with the .270 when striking shoulders with the .270.  They are a great bullet for whitetials.

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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2008, 04:42:22 PM »
Most everyone I hunt with has used them in many calibers.  I am not a BT fan.  About 2/3 of my friends are not either but the other 1/3 like them.  For shooting paper, they can't be beat.  I've had some disappointments on deer, but a lot of successes also.  Give me a CoreLokt type of bullet.

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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2008, 05:37:51 PM »
I used to use BT's exclusively when I was going through my premium bullet phase.  Still like 'em, good bullet, but since I'm only goin' to be shooting our Jawja whitetails for the rest of my life and I love to work up handloads, I've mostly gone to Rem Core Loks.  My load's  fps has slowed down also, just like me!   ;D
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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2008, 03:51:36 AM »
I  used to use the nosler 120gr. BT;s in my 7mm08. When the price went to 20.00 for 50 from 20.00 for 100 I switched to Hornaday A Max bullets. Haven't shot game with them yet.
I really like the sierra game king bullets in my 308 and 243 so am thinking of switching the 7mm08 to them also.

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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2008, 10:18:58 AM »
I used to use them in just about every rifle I hunted with when I was using Georgia Arms ammo. Georgia Arms prices have gotten too high so now I'm mainly using Hornady with the SST bullet instead. Have used BT 110 gr 25-06,140 Gr 7mm-08 & 7mm rem mag, 140 Gr 270, 165 Gr 308,30-06,and 300 win mag. Never had a problem with any of them. The ammo just got too expensive.

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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2008, 01:09:47 PM »
My gunsmith buddy swears by Noslers, and gets some pretty big deer with his 243.  I'm pretty much of a Remington Coreloct guy myself--mostly in 35 Remington, 45-70, and 7mm08.  Remington has had years of practice making those bullets, and over those years, a lot of game has been cleanly killed with them.

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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2008, 04:58:58 PM »
Hi,

7mm-08 Nosler 120 Grain BT.
7mm-08 Nosler 140 Grain Soild Base
280 A.I. Nosler 140 Grain BT.
308 C.T. 168 Grain Silvertip.

Shooting distance from 50-75 yards to 400 yards. Have never lost a Deer with this bullet nor had to track it more than 30 yards from point of impact. 95%, just drop DEAD!

Have gone on "land excursions" looking for hit Deer with others that we have hunted with.

The 7mm-08 with the 120 grain is a Hammer!

Accuracy is the best and for field shooting, there is nothing better!

My Uncle has 2 large Boone & Crocket Bucks with the 168 Grain Silvertip . He always shot Remington's before, but is a believer now!

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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2008, 04:04:50 PM »
I have tried Winchester Supreme ballistic tips on deer and hogs. They dropped like a rock, but I have switched back to my trusty Core-Lokt because the ballistic tips just did too much damage to the meat on the deer.
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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2008, 10:42:03 AM »
  I second elmer. I have gone back to the Remington Core-lokt for the same reason.

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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2008, 11:32:08 AM »
Triple check with elmer.  I have returned to Nosler Partitions.  Same exit hole diameter IN as OUT.  Neck shots on does drop them in their tracks.

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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2008, 05:48:12 AM »


This buck was taken with my long time favorite rifle for elk in rough country. Savage model 99 .308 loaded with 180 grain Remington core-lockt ammo.  Its a combo that has worked well for me.  Yes, my buddy took this photo of me and its a little staged.

In contrast, my long range antelope and coyote rifle is a Remington 760 in .243 loaded with 95 grain Ballistic Tips.  This bullet produces very best accuracy for my .243 and I know because many brands, weights, and types have been test fired.  Antelope hit in chest with Nosler's finest fold up and drop in their tracks.  No kidding.

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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2008, 03:18:31 AM »
My 30-30's work well enough with Winchester silvertips.  For 35 Remington and 45-70, I use Remington clorelocts.  All of my centerfire shooting is with my own handloads.  I own, but have not hunted with, bolt guns in 243 and 7mm-08.  Handloads for the latter are with Corelocts.  They seem to be accurate for what I want to do, but I can't quite evolve into enjoying lugging around a rifle with a scope on top, especially in the woods and swamps.

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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2008, 02:52:59 PM »
I do hunt deer, but do not care what bullet is in the barrel.
If I take my custom gun out it is RWS factory ammo for me (H-mantel), this bullet took almost any kind of animal in EU, Africa, Asia and here in NA.
I have taken deer from the .22 over .45 patched ball to .375 H&H.
All did work for me. NO animal was lost so far.

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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2008, 08:23:12 AM »
For 15+ years I have had 100 Nosler 150-grain bullets in my inventory.  This winter I loaded fifty of them for range ammunition in .300 Savage.  My preferred hunting bullet in that round is a 165-grain bullet.

For a number of years the 150-grain Remington Bronze Pt. in 300 Savage and 130-gr. In 270 Winchester were the GoTo bullets.  Now days Remington describes the Bronze Pt. as a rapid expanding bullet which is a correct description.  Having grown out of my teenage fascination of velocity at the expense of penetration I quit using them.  I do not believe my Dad, brothers, or myself ever recovered anything but fragments from deer. 

Many would argue that there is not a problem because the bullet killed the deer.  The problem was that a deer shot behind the shoulder ended up traveling a 100-yards in heavy cover.  The downside is somehow I became the family tracker.  Nobody wants to lose an animal and recovery is a serious business.  When we switched to bullets that penetrated a deer on a behind the shoulder shot the two holes provided a better blood trail and quicker recovery.

The point is that my experience with the Bronze Pt. prejudiced my thinking when the first Nosler BT bullets appeared on the market.  When reports started coming in regarding explosive results in the field I decided to use other bullets for hunting.

Looking at pictures of cutaways of the Nosler BT it appears to have a heavier jacket then the Bronze Pt.  Comparing 150-grain Nosler BT bullets to my remaining supply of Bronze Pts. I found the Nosler bullet better finished, and bullet weight consistent at the advertised weight.  I found a high variance in weight with the Bronze Pt. bullet, up to two grains.  On paper the two grain variance was not a problem at 100-yards.  I never tested it at four hundred yards, but feel that long-range accuracy most likely degraded.

I have considered buying 150-grain Nosler BT bullets for the .270 Winchester feeling the extra 20-grains of weight will penetrate a deer even if the bullet breaks up some. 

I have not loaded them yet, but a friend has had good results using a 140-grain Nosler AccBond bullets.  I have also heard of good results with the bonded Hornady bullets.  For the hunter who wants to use plastic tip bullets, I think the bonded bullet is the answer.

In recent years I have taken deer with the Nosler PT in two different calibers.  Performance of the Nosler PT was outstanding, but I do not think it is needed for deer, good old standard Remington C-L, WW Power Points, and Speer Hot Core bullets do the job in the appropriate bullet weight.


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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2008, 10:52:58 AM »
I love the Nosler BT on deer really I do but I use heavy not light for caliber bullets when using them. That means in the .30-06 I prefer the 180 BT and don't use lighter than the 165 BT. The 150 BT is a good choice in the .30-30 where pointed bullets are an OK choice and I might would use it in the .308 in a short barreled rifle when not pushing them to the max. But I'd rather have the 165 for the .308.

I my 7-08 I have used the 140 BT but prefer the 150 BT over the 140 for it. In the .270 Winchester I prefer bullets weighting 140-150 grains and again the BT is fine for it. Still for much of my hunting done at really close ranges in really thick cover I tend to chose the Nosler PT over the BT as I like to be certain of an exit and a good blood trail.


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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2008, 11:40:36 AM »
Just for information.

http://www.nosler.com/index.php?p=3


http://www.nosler.com/index.php?p=3&bullet=5

https://www.hornady.com/shop/?ps_session=3b3de510c4e2aa0df48d111adf3a55a6&page=shop%2Fbrowse&category_id=ffd8e51c7827b4eed2fb35a333f4eafb

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/ammunition/shock_value/index.html

I do not know the background story on the bullet used in this ammunition but load ammunition is available.

http://www.remington.com/products/ammunition/centerfire/premier_accuTip.asp

Barnes also makes plastic tip bullets that are many generations ahead of older designs.  Their bullet has a Delrin (polymer) tip

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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2008, 03:25:18 PM »
I never used to use them cause I was too cheap. I still don't use them cause I'm still too cheap, so I always used Rem core-loct in 130gr .270. My buddy shot a few deer with balistic tips with 150 gr in 30-06 with good results just like my cheap bullets.

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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2008, 09:50:43 AM »
Well i am going to try the ballistic silver tips out this year on deer, loaded some 115gr for my 25-06 i guess i will see how they do this deer season
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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2008, 12:25:05 AM »
140 grain BT's in my 7-08. Believe it or not, I have had complete pass thrus out to 130 yards with this bullet and the deer was dead where he stood every time.
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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #20 on: March 24, 2009, 09:54:00 PM »
95 grain nosler ballistic tips in my .243 for big saskatchewan white tail and Mule deer. Have also used them on Coyotes. I loaded up some 58 grain hollow points for coyotes but just put a hole about the size of my head coming out the other side. As long as I don't hit any major bones it puts a hole a little bigger than an inch coming out. On deer however folds them up right on the spot even over the 400 yard mark

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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2009, 05:11:20 AM »
I have used the 7MM 150 gr. Ballistic Tips on a test group of around 20 deer, all bullets have exited and so far all deer have dropped. This could be due to bullet placement as I shoot at the bottom edge of the shoulder blade and this usually damages the spine some. I am now playing with Partitions in this bore size and also find this bullet to be an excellent deer and hog taker.  I have used the 95 grain Balistic Tip in my 6MM Remington and this in my opinion is the best bullet I have tried so far. It put several deer down on the spot for me.  I now have to test the 100 grain Nosler Solid Base next purely in the name of science.
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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2009, 12:32:24 PM »
Never again!
I have not had good results with BTs.  I feel BTs do NOT have proper expansion.  Matter of fact there is almost no expansion.  I think a better word for it would be explosion and not expansion.  Bullet performance depends on the caliber and situation of the target.   My first deer with a BT was at very close range (15 yards) with a 7mm-08.  Deer ran maybe 25 yards and feel dead.  The problem there was ZERO blood.  I do mean zero.  When I found the buck I could not find any wounds (exit or entry).  I had the push on the side of the deer to get blood to come out a hole the size of a number 2 pencil.  The second buck dropped dead but  NO BLOOD!!!
On a trip to Colorado a friend of mine and I worked up a load for his rifle.  He really wanted to try BTs and I was trying to discourage this from my previous experiences.  He was determined to use BTs , so I worked up a load for him.  He lost his first mule because there was no blood trail.  He knows he hit it because he knocked it down.  We looked for a couple of hours and never found a drop.  The next day we had 18 inches of snow and he shot another mule.  In 18 inches of snow we could not find a drop of blood.  Just by luck we found the deer about 100 yards away.  In 100 yards to the deer we did not find one drop of blood.
I can say with field experience that the BT bullet will kill but if the conditions are right.  I will never use one again.
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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2009, 02:45:17 PM »
I loved the BT, but feel that the Accu-Bond is a better bullet. It has the accuracy of the BT, but heavier construction for close shots. I killed four deer this year with the 165 gr AC at 3,100 fps out of my .300 WSM (handloads).  The range was from 30-300 yards. All dropped to the shot. The BT is a great bullet if not driven too fast on short-range shots. I have never had one NOT open up, just sometimes too violently. If you like to eat what you shoot, dont hit a shoulder bone!

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« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2009, 03:27:21 PM »
I have some 8x57 mm loaded with 180gr BT's but unfortunately i didn't get a shot at one this year. I got them running at 2450 ish fps out of my G98/40, very accurate load. shoots too just under an inch at 100 yds!! I also shoot the 125 gr BT's in my '06 excellant yote load.

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  So what caliber was your buddy using?  As for what happened to your deer-I had the exact same thing happen to me a a doe muley I shot with a Speer 165 gr BT '06 at 80 yards, nice clean hole going in,no exit bullet totally blow up in the chest. The deer dropped so fast I thought I missed her- she was dead before she hit the ground! Why casue it was going to fast at that range-I was outside the bullets velocity range!  The Nosler BT is not a heavy duty bullet-hit something close at high velocity and thats what you'll get.  Now do the same shot with a controlled expandtion bullet and you'll probably get a pencil hole in.out no expandtion!
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« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2009, 06:06:44 PM »
If I had 18 inches of snow I don't think I'd need a blood trail to find a deer.  My 7x57 isn't all that different from a 7-08 and my results have been far different.  Are you one of those undercover Barnes agents posing as a dissatisfied nosler user?
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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #26 on: April 06, 2009, 09:33:23 AM »
I have used ballistic tips in my 30-06 since Nosler first brought them out years ago.  I use the 150 gr 165 gr and the 180 gr.  I've killed deer with all three.  I use the 150 gr exclusively in my Ruger M77, and the 165 & 180 gr in my Remington 760.

I also load them in 130 gr, 140 gr and 150 gr in my brother's 270 Weatherby Magnum. 
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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2009, 09:37:00 AM »
100 gr. BT IN A 25-06 .  150 gr BT in a 30-06 .
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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2009, 04:50:03 PM »
We can't use rifles here but the Hornady SST 12 or 20  with ballistic tips really puts the hurt on the deer. ;D

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Re: How many of u deer Hunters
« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2009, 05:18:09 AM »
The projectile with which I kill nearly all my deer is a 165 grain Snuffer three-blade broadhead on the front end of a cedar shaft fired out of a 60# CariBow recurve.  Does that count?!    ;)

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