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Re: Remington Consolidation Plan
« Reply #60 on: April 09, 2008, 06:23:05 AM »
Thanks Alan! ;)

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Re: Remington Consolidation Plan
« Reply #61 on: April 09, 2008, 08:34:21 AM »
I just did a little search, a Remington plant is in Hickory, KY.

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« Reply #62 on: April 09, 2008, 01:31:59 PM »
If they'd move those jobs to the South, I'd be more forgiving.
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Re: Remington Consolidation Plan
« Reply #63 on: April 09, 2008, 01:55:36 PM »
I'm probably not going to purchase another handi rifle but I do like the shotguns and hope the company stays viable cause I like certain products they produce.

I can't blame Remington for wanting to get out of Taxachuesetts. Who in their right mind would want to operate a firearms factory in that socialist hellhole?

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Re: Remington Consolidation Plan
« Reply #64 on: April 10, 2008, 04:39:38 AM »
I am hopeful for the future, but we will see.

In the near term, I would be careful if I were sending a frame for additional barrels.  Not avoiding, but careful.  Such as call before to make sure they have the barrel I want in stock.  I would probably call the day I am sending it back - take you cell phone to the UPS drop off  ;).

I would ask when operations were actually going to be shifting, and perhaps wait if I thought my gun would be there during the actual transition. 

After transition, it will be interesting to see who is actually doing the fitting, new employee or transferred employee.  I think this is probably a simple task and new people will learn the process, but you never know about rookie mistakes - though those can happen even if operations were not moved.  If I were in the market for barrels, I would either send now, or wait till next year - but I am a cautious sort.

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Re: Remington Consolidation Plan
« Reply #65 on: April 12, 2008, 02:39:36 AM »
If Remington outsources the production of the NEF/H-R's to China/Brazil/etc I WILL NEVER PURCHASE A CEREBUS PRODUCT EVER AGAIN.



PERIOD!



I know H-R had Chinese made pumps/autos but I could overlook that. I do not agree with layoffs and outsourceing. It's killing our country.

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« Reply #66 on: April 12, 2008, 03:19:53 AM »



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Re: Remington Consolidation Plan
« Reply #67 on: April 12, 2008, 05:01:14 AM »
Yea but look at all the distribution warehouse that are opening twice as many for half the pay. The same people who built this industrial manufacturing giant are now destroying it.Kurt
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Re: Remington Consolidation Plan
« Reply #68 on: April 12, 2008, 05:55:23 AM »
aww man..   this sucks beyond sucking..

I hope like heck they keep production in the USA - because I wont buy outsourced products that were once made here then produced afar. 
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« Reply #69 on: April 12, 2008, 05:59:59 AM »
"I can't blame Remington for wanting to get out of Taxachuesetts. Who in their right mind would want to operate a firearms factory in that socialist hellhole?"
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Carbineman, I can't blame them either.

A couple of plants who make AR's have the same problem in IL. Many "lawmakers" in IL want to do away with this type rifle, so why would you want to make them in a hostile enviorment & one of those companies has considered moving in advance of this nonsense.

The future in the United States, such as it is for industry in general & gun companies in particular is in the South & parts of the West where the logistics are practical, but esp. in the South.
  For industry in general because the North & esp. the Northeast is an expensive place to do business with the cost of most goods & services
running much more than the South. They TAX & regulate individuals & companies all they can. Also, the Unions have abused a good thing
if you want to stretch a little & call it that & have made it impossible in many cases to be competitive & drive up the price of their product. Actually, I owe Unions in general a dept of gratitude because I sell Forklifts & Ind. products in AR & many Northern plants have moved here to get out of this enviorment which is better than going overseas, we just received another Steel plant, thanks I guess.
  For gun industries in particular because the Northeast is too antigun & you would not know from one day to the next what situation you would have. Tim mentioned one of the Rem. plants being in KY. & you will see more of that from other companies in years to come. The old gun plants were built back when no part of the USA was anti but today the Northeast does not deserve to have any gun plants in my view.
 So for these 2 reasons it would be enough for me, but add consolidation to the mix & it makes even more sense. It is only logical to bring the production/man. of these guns to existing/modern plants   IF the goal is to bring down the per unit manufacturing cost & to do so with more modern equipment which can & should translate to a higher quality product. Wouldn't it be nice to have Handi's machined in such a way as to afford barrel interchangeability? I do not know these things would result but it is possible, but was not likely in the present operation as we have seen. I hope no one here would argue that the quality could improve, if you do you would be arguing with yourselves, go back & read
the threads over the last couple of years if you need a reminder.  Bringing this manufacturing to other plants is a logical move that I see being done with companies that I do business with on a regular basis. It is a lot better to see this than to see the others that can't adapt to ways to
get more efficient & then they close & the foreigners gain the market share. One of the 2 will happen, which would you prefer???
If I were in Rem. management, I would offer VERY Strong incentives for the best NEF people to move to these plants, if they can't then I would give them a very nice separation package. For the others (80-20 rule always applies) I would give then the std. sep. pay & wish
them the best, not what we all would like, but the best that could be done.
If it was not a consolidation to other existing plants as stated by Rem, but instead farmed out to foreigners, that would be a different ball game,
but why make that leap now without knowing?
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« Reply #70 on: April 12, 2008, 07:52:01 AM »
because I wont buy outsourced products that were once made here then produced afar. 
I we could get the rest of the people to do that they would be begging for people to help build new factories here
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Re: Remington Consolidation Plan
« Reply #71 on: April 12, 2008, 03:32:08 PM »
Sounds like I better get on the phone Monday and see about that .357 barrel they owe me. Sounds like they've been busy answering phone calls about the changeover, hope they've got time to fit my barrel before they move.

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« Reply #72 on: April 12, 2008, 04:46:57 PM »
Nomosendero and carbineman couldn't have said it better. I never understood why gun companies stuck to the anti gun northeast states. Those gun companies pay big taxes to the government that wants to sue them out of existence and union wages to workers that pay  high income taxes to a state that hates their pruduct.. I will bet they will be made in America, in the tax friendly south. I will bet Remington didn't put much money into the factories knowing this day would come. With new machines and factories Americans can produce superior products at exceptable prices. China has exceptable prices but not the quality gun owners demand. In two years we will see the product improve with little or no extra price.  The new tooling will make this happen and profits might even go up.  I have seen this many times living in taxconsin. Corporate, income and property taxes are so high that we hardly even make any beer in Milwuakee anymore. Who on God's green earth thought we'd loose Miller beer? They are gone because of a hasty harassing high taxing state. Wisconsin actually harasses companies that want to expand to the point they build somewhere else. I'm sure the northeast is the same towards gun companies. Also, it ain't like da south is  a bad place to live is it? P.S, Wisconsin is so high taxed it ranks 50th, yep, dead last for retired people to move to and live. Hope this helps, ihookem

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Re: Remington Consolidation Plan
« Reply #73 on: April 13, 2008, 04:31:38 AM »
Like Slufoot, I have been through two closings, the second one very similar to NEF's trouble -- a takeover, followed by most of the product line going to China production. This sort of thing is making our country weaker -- we have become way too dependent on foreign sources of basic manufactured goods. I'll save the rant for some other forum, but I want to add my voice to the sympathy expressed here for the people who made my NEF rifles and shotguns. I hope they find good work soon.
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« Reply #74 on: April 13, 2008, 04:00:48 PM »
I've always liked NEF products because they've offered an affordable, reliable, American made gun for the working man. I grew up in Mass.
so I liked supporting a local gun maker. If Remington chooses to ship production to China I'll never buy another NEF product.
T/C rifles are made in my new home state of New Hampshire so I'd have no problem buying their products as I'm a big fan of single shots.
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« Reply #75 on: April 14, 2008, 04:18:59 AM »
I've always liked NEF products because they've offered an affordable, reliable, American made gun for the working man. I grew up in Mass.
so I liked supporting a local gun maker. If Remington chooses to ship production to China I'll never buy another NEF product.
T/C rifles are made in my new home state of New Hampshire so I'd have no problem buying their products as I'm a big fan of single shots.

DB 73, When did you escape Taxachuesetts? Is NH sliding the way of Taxachuesetts or is it still ok? Sometime back when the Free Staters were contemplating NH we were looking out your way as an escape from Cheeseville. We were also looking at Vermont, Wyoming and some other Western states. Now with the grandchildren and family here, and old age setting in, we will probably just stay in Taxconsin. We might though have it decided for us when we retire that we cannot afford to live here. Our governor like an ugly girl friend is just hard to get rid of, and we are turning into a blue state with the welfare crowd taking over. It is sad to see once great cities like Milwaukee have areas that are just for lack of better words "lost forever".

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« Reply #76 on: April 14, 2008, 11:52:36 AM »
Ihookem, I thought that Vermont was the highest taxed state in the country, not Wisconsin.  I live in Vermont (born and raised), am retired now, and am looking for a piece of America to flee to.  If Wisconsin is 50th as you say, we must be 49th.  As far as a leftwing, wierdnik population, though, Vermont is probably in second place only to California. The liberal socialists have pretty much taken over this state. They coddle criminals, censor the press, try to legalize marijuana, and the legislature actually held a rally at the Statehouse last year for the traitor Cindy Sheehan.  They believe in global warming so much that our legislature actually tried to create yet another tax to support their efforts. The manufacturing base in Vermont is pretty much gone. No major employers want to move here. New Hampshire is right next door, and is far more business-friendly, but by and large, the Northeast (especially Vermont) is not very pro- business at all. That attitude most likely migrated north from Massachusetts over the past 20 years or so.  It's no wonder that H & R (Massachusetts) and Marlin (Connecticut) will no longer be in New England.  Remember Winchester?  That company was founded in Connecticut.  The revival is scheduled to take place in the south. Note too, that Remington, also part of this gun-consolidation deal, once was a major player in New York, but now appears to be headed for the Carolinas as well.  >:(   

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« Reply #77 on: April 14, 2008, 02:12:12 PM »
 Jlchucker, I don't think Wisconsin is the highest taxed state yet, but it is dead last when it comes to where people go to retire, and many that retire in wisconsin leave shortly after or go south seven months to take up permenant residence, then spend the summer up north in a small house or cottage. It is a terrible place when it comes to taxes. We have a lot of deer though. Later, ihookem.

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« Reply #78 on: April 14, 2008, 06:50:28 PM »
They are all moving south. That's what I like to hear.

I wonder if this is what they meant when they said that

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« Reply #79 on: April 15, 2008, 10:49:38 AM »
They are all moving south. That's what I like to hear.

I wonder if this is what they meant when they said that

"THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN"


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Whatever brings the jobs back. There is already a bunch of firearms manufacturer's in NC and SC and I would like to see more.
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« Reply #80 on: April 15, 2008, 02:52:54 PM »
When you say moving south, you'd better hope it's not too far south!

I hear they have cheap labor down in Mexico, and that's still south! :o
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« Reply #81 on: April 15, 2008, 04:37:59 PM »
I would rater them go to Antarctica than Mexico if they really want to go south. The Penguins could make better guns than the Mexicans that take American jobs.
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« Reply #82 on: April 16, 2008, 03:27:59 PM »
 ???  Did someone at Rem. management say anything about Mexico?
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« Reply #83 on: April 16, 2008, 04:22:35 PM »
???  Did someone at Rem. management say anything about Mexico?
No, but you never know where they will move. I have seen this happen too many times but what I responded to was someone saying Remington was moving south as the Southern US not Mexico. That was brought up later.
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« Reply #84 on: April 16, 2008, 04:52:31 PM »
I have talked to several H&R dealers over the last couple of days and they all say the same thing, CAROLINA'S!!!
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« Reply #85 on: April 16, 2008, 05:15:24 PM »
I have talked to several H&R dealers over the last couple of days and they all say the same thing, CAROLINA'S!!!
True or False who knows!


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I hope that happens it could replace jobs lost by many around here. If so it will probably be NC because of the Rem and Marlin ties there.
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« Reply #86 on: April 19, 2008, 05:15:35 AM »
  I will watch..with the eye of a skeptic...
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« Reply #87 on: April 19, 2008, 06:17:50 AM »


   Hi Tim!!
I am one of the employee's at H&R. Yes, it is very sad about the plant consolidation. A lot of workers here are having a hard time dealing with this move. The employee's have been offered a severance package which will help them get by while looking for new jobs.
  The company is not moving to the south as some of you may have thought, but to Ilion, New York. Remington is Investing several million dollars to up grade H&R's aging machinery.
They plan on keeping the H&R/NEF line separate from Remington's. They will be doing this department by department in order to keep the transition running as smooth as possible.
  H&R/NEF's will still be made here in the U.SA. and not out sourced to China or Russia. Some of the employees have been offered positions in the new plant, myself Included. These will be key people who really know our product line. I hope this Information will ease your minds a little.



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Re: Remington Consolidation Plan
« Reply #88 on: April 19, 2008, 06:24:48 AM »
Welcome aboard Brian!  ;) The Kentucky move info for barrel fitting came from H&R CS,  I'm sure nothing is written in stone and changes will and have occured.  But Ilion makes more sense, and it's a whole lot closer than Kentucky for those that will consider moving!! ;D

Please keep us informed when you learn more.

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I just talked to HR about the .45 and .357 barrels I am hoping for and they said that they are in stock, and should be a quick turn around. They also said that they were going to continue the barrel program and that it would be moving to a plant in Kentucky.
Sounds promising.

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« Reply #89 on: April 19, 2008, 06:26:00 AM »
Brian, thanks for the info. If you decide to go, I hope it works well for you & your family.
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