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The coming food catastrophe
« on: April 07, 2008, 01:25:30 PM »


 
 

 
 
The coming food catastrophe

Gwynne Dyer
Canadian Dimension
April 5, 2008

“This is the new face of hunger,” said Josette Sheeran, executive director of the UN’s World Food Programme, launching an appeal for an extra $500 million so it could continue supplying food aid to 73 million hungry people this year. “People are simply being priced out of food markets. We have never before had a situation where aggressive rises in food prices keep pricing our operations out of our reach.”

The WFP decided on a public appeal several weeks ago because the price of the food it buys to feed some of the world’s poorest people had risen by 55 percent since last June. By the time it actually launched the appeal on March 20, prices had risen a further 20 percent, so now it needs $700 million to bridge the gap between last year‚s budget and this year’s prices.

 
 
 
In Thailand, farmers are sleeping in their fields after reports that thieves are stealing the rice, now worth $600 a tonne, straight out of the fields. Four people have died in Egypt in clashes over subsidized flour that was being sold for profit on the black market. There have been food riots in Morocco, Senegal, and Cameroon.

Last year, it became clear that the era of cheap food was over: food costs worldwide rose by 23 percent between 2006 and 2007. This year, what is becoming clear is the impact of this change on ordinary people‚s lives.

For consumers in Japan, France, or the United States, the relentless price rises for food are an unwelcome extra pressure on an already stretched household budget. For less fortunate people in other places, they can mean less protein in the diet or choosing between feeding the kids breakfast and paying their school fees, or even, in the poorest communities, starvation. And the crisis is only getting started.

It is the “perfect storm”: everything is going wrong at once. To begin with, the world’s population has continued to grow while its food production has not. For the 50 years between 1945 and 1995, as the world’s population more than doubled, grain production kept pace–but then it stalled. In six of the past seven years, the human race consumed more grain than it grew. World grain reserves last year were only 57 days, down from 180 days a decade ago.

To make matters worse, demand for food is growing faster than population. As incomes rise in China, India, and other countries with fast-growing economies, consumers include more and more meat in their diet: the average Chinese citizen now eats 50 kilograms of meat a year, up from 20 kilos in the mid-1980s. Producing meat consumes enormous quantities of grain.

Then there is global warming, which is probably already cutting into food production. Many people in Australia, formerly the world‚s second-largest wheat exporter, suspect that climate change is the real reason for the prolonged drought that is destroying the country‚s ability to export food.

But the worst damage is being done by the rage for “biofuels” that supposedly reduce carbon-dioxide emissions and fight climate change. (But they don’t, really–at least, not in their present form.) Thirty percent of this year’s U.S. grain harvest will go straight to an ethanol distillery, and the European Union is aiming to provide 10 percent of the fuel used for transport from biofuels by 2010. A huge amount of the world‚s farmland is being diverted to feed cars, not people.

Worse yet, rain forest is being cleared, especially in Brazil and Indonesia, to grow more biofuels. A recent study in the U.S. journal Science calculated that destroying natural ecosystems to grow corn or sugar cane for ethanol, or oil palms or soybeans for biodiesel, releases between 17 times and 420 times more carbon dioxide than is saved annually by burning the biofuel grown on that land instead of fossil fuel. It‚s all justified in the name of fighting climate change, but the numbers just don‚t add up.

This is the one element in the perfect storm that is completely under human control. Governments can simply stop creating artificial demand for the current generation of biofuels (and often directly subsidizing them). That land goes back to growing food instead, and prices fall. Climate change is a real threat, but we don‚t have to have this crisis now.

“If more and more land [is] diverted for industrial biofuels to keep cars running, we have two years before a food catastrophe breaks out worldwide,” said Vandana Shiva, director of the Indian-based Research Foundation for Science, Technology, and Natural Resource Policy, in an interview recently. “It’ll be 20 years before climate catastrophe breaks out, but the false solutions to climate change are creating catastrophes that will be much more rapid than the climate change itself.”



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Re: The coming food catastrophe
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2008, 02:43:48 PM »
it is real stupid to burn food as fuel.Then again it is a government program.
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Re: The coming food catastrophe
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2008, 01:27:03 AM »
Food being priced out of reach?

Maybe it is population control......








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Re: The coming food catastrophe
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2008, 01:44:18 AM »
I'm gonna have to agree with Sdb777. Maybe all these that years we've been subsidizing the third world's diets so they could grow big and strong and have lots and lots of big healthy babies who could grow up big and strong and have lots and lots of big healthy babies who could grow up big etc...........  we should have been teaching birth control.

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Re: The coming food catastrophe
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2008, 02:00:57 AM »
I might be viewed as cruel and heartless and perhaps that's a fair assessment but.... It seems to me that countries who cannot or for some reason will not produce enough food to feed their own or who do not have adequate revenue stream to buy it needs to have their population checked one way or another. If they can't produce or buy enough food then their population levels should not be maintained at artifically high levels by subsidies.

If they don't have enough sense to control their population via birth control then perhaps starvation is the proper control mechanish for them. This old earth cannot continue to support out of control birth rates in third world countries forever. One way or another it has to end.


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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2008, 03:54:34 AM »
Right arm, Bill.  The do-gooders of the world are too soft hearted and soft headed to realize the damage they do.

It all reminds me of the joke about the guy who eventually drowns in a flood, because he refuses various forms of help from rescuers, while he awaits help from the lord.

 I'm not a religious person, but it seems to me that the lord has sent famine, pestilence, and disasters to staunch the real disaster of over population and the do-gooders have so far interfered and will eventually be responsible for what is to come.
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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2008, 04:19:50 AM »
Scientists have been forecasting the current situation for decades, they just didn't have the exact timing of the endpoint figured out.  This event is exemplified by wildlife biologists warning to not feed wild animal populations.  The same dynamic is currently at work in the undeveloped world.  It is difficult to be blunt when its peoples lives but our desire as a nation to be caring of others has led to this.   As far as the world climate's impact on all this, yes weather has a powerful effect on food production but there have been perennial drought and floods around the world in my 60 plus years, I don't see the current as much changed from the norm.  The massive increase in food demand is behind the shortfall.  Global warming is the new religion of "scientists" since they now are mostly desperate to generate their own "research" funding as govt money is drying up and fear is the most powerful tool they have to herd the sheep.  If this nation doesnt paralyze itself with self loathing over our affluence of food as demos would have us do, then the USA is in the catbird seat.  The third world is in the really ugly phase of trying to regain economic and political balance  I wonder if the rest of us will have the discpline to let it happen?
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Re: The coming food catastrophe
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2008, 07:20:19 AM »
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it is real stupid to burn food as fuel.

not so fast........
  what better way to fix the arabs that are hell bent on destroying us.   turn our excess food into fuel, and let them turn their oil product into food.   sounds like their problem, not mine.   

 how does that saying go?  something about there being more than one way to skin a cat?  they can only screw us as long as we let them.   i say it is long overdue.

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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2008, 09:21:06 AM »
Eastern Africa is a prime example of 3rd world countries starving themselves , some years ago the ruler of one of these countries decided to take control of all of white owned mega farms were over 90% of all their food was being produced , since this has happened their entire country has been in a food shortage as none of the black farmers know how to grow food on a scale large enough to meet their needs .

Central America is another example of 3rd world chaos were the countries have so much corruption that only a small number of the ruling class have enough to get by , and lets not forget India were the people starve as the cattle and rats roam free because they are so backwards that they think it may be their dead ancestors .

But they all have no problem putting a hand out for the good old USA to support them , all the while calling for the death of our Imperialist way of life .

My .02 -- Lets take care of our own first and if there is anything left , maybe we'll share .

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Re: The coming food catastrophe
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2008, 09:32:33 AM »
See what I said here about part of this here.

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,142474.0.html

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« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2008, 02:32:03 PM »
Burning food as fuel..not a standard government program..it is a "greenie"..global warming, Chicken Little, sky is falling program.
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« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2008, 02:43:43 PM »
sdb777, beemanbeme, and Graybeard have expressed my sentiments exactly.

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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2008, 05:09:57 PM »
  Exactly right Graybeard. It is called carrying capacity. Outdoorsmen and hunters understand this concept very well. Human being are animals just as the game animals we try to keep in balance with the food source. Exceed the carrying capacity of your environment and starvation and disease soon follow keeping things in check.
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« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2008, 05:14:27 AM »
Would it be very un-PC of me to mention we have third and forth generation professional welfarers in America that we are feeding and giving free medical care to so they can grow up big and strong so they can have lots and lots of healthy babies who can grow up big and strong so they can have lots and lots of healthy babies who can........ 

The number one problem we have on the earth is too many people.  Every other problem is a result of problem number one.  Changing the gas used in a aerosol can isn't gonna change problem number one.  Inventing a car that runs on chicken manure ain't gonna change problem number one.  Scientist give lip service to population control, birth control but it is the wrong strata that is listening and practicing birth control.

When you hear one of the pols say the system has failed because  some single welfare mother with 10 kids is having a hard time of it, they're right. The system has failed. Its failed you and me, the tax payers.

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« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2008, 06:05:54 AM »
This is always a problem when you have government sponsered charity. What started out as safety net has for a long time now been used as a hammock. Now we not only have our own welfare system but a global welfare system also.  We do people a great dis-service by giving them  handouts and not requiring that they give anything back. By doing this we empower them to remain dependant ignorant and lazy.
Those are in my opinion the worst attributes that anyone can posses. And those things are like a virus that spreads through the population like a plaque. Maybe someone should explain to the idiots in DC that they are suppose to promote the general welfare not provide it.

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« Reply #15 on: April 09, 2008, 06:30:44 AM »
This is also what happened with the old Soviet Union.  Having state provided health care, jobs, etc., killed initiative and hard work.  Even FDR realized this when he took office.  He wanted the government to create projects which would create jobs and not handouts.  The far left in congress wanted to give welfare checks to the unemployed.  He refused and created the TVA, and other government projects.  Expanded the US highways, reforestation projects, dams, etc.  In 1932 there was 25% unemployment.  By 1941 when we entered WWII, it had dropped to 10%.  He said a check without work would create a lazy and dependent group of people that would expect the government to take care of them.  Also, minimum age of 16 to work, retirement at 65, and a 40 hour work week helped get more people back to work.  This is a far cry from democrats today.  Welfare shouldn't last no more than 6 months for able bodied persons, and we should go back to comodities instead of food stamps.  Stop foreign aid to countries who are potential enemies, and require them to adapt an elected form of government with private ownership of property before they get foreign aid. 

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« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2008, 10:03:00 AM »
We have some great minds here.
I remember in the late sixties or early seventies, their was a county in the Okla. Panhandle, that had
NO one on welfare, the Feds told the county commisioners they had to open a welfare office
people on welfare or not. I can remember when the welfare office used to come out in the farming
comunity and recruting working people to get on welfare. As a result of these action their are
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 that know nothing else but set on your but and draw a check, when they were giving commodities
they would go get them and sell them. I am sure it is the same in other countries. Woman goes to
the welfare offices says her grandchild needs a bed, welfare worker says where has the baby been
sleeping, Woman say in the big cardboard box our color TV came in.  ONLY IN AMERICA ::) :o
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« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2008, 09:57:29 PM »
If ya can't feed'em, don't breed'em !!  gypsyman
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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2008, 01:03:22 AM »
Frankly; I am thankful that I live in a rural area...not gloating..just thankful..
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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2008, 01:57:19 AM »
If ya can't feed'em, don't breed'em !!  gypsyman


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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2008, 02:12:13 AM »
The politicians are very aware of what they are doing. You have politicians who's majority constituents are welfare recipients. Are they going to run on a platform of fiscal responsibility or more free stuff? Because, even tho those folks are on the dole, they can still vote.

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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2008, 03:37:22 PM »
Well, I honestly don't think that 99% of the politicians have a clue, as to how bad it might possibly get. I really hope I'm full of bilge water on this. What happened in New Orleans, is just a small incident as to what might occur. It's already happening in other country's. And what with so much of our food now being imported into this country, the possibility's of something very minor, to a major catastrophe seem inevitable. Lets hope for the best!!   gypsyman
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« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2008, 05:25:56 PM »
I'm not sure this will be a catastrophy, more like mother nature righting a wrong. As my ninth grade science teacher used to say, if you even get near trying to break the rules of nature you are gonna get hurt.
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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2008, 06:52:18 AM »
Stimpy, there's plenty of Blacks over in Zimbabwe who are good farmers. Trouble is, Mugabe's supporters are basically members of Mugabe's gang and the ones getting the land are the ones best at being criminals, or bandits, and loyalty to Mugabe.

Mugabe rewards the loyal with status by giving them land they don't know what to do with. They don't know how to be an employer, they fear they would lose status by hiring people who knew something they don't (farming), and most of the farmers around are members of other tribes, anyhow.

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« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2008, 09:22:39 AM »
  That is exactly why the country was much better off under colonial rule...they are starving with their "liberatyion"...

  Excellent example o :   "Be careful what you wish for....."
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« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2008, 11:22:14 AM »
there is no shortage of food in the world. there is enough food or ground to grow it on, in the world. the problem with food is the distribution of food/wealth. in many countries the dictators don't allow common people to live in peace long enough to grow a crop. or a few land owners will grow a cash crop like coffee or sugar cane to the exclusion of producing food for common people. then the rich nations have multinational corporations manipulating markets to control them. artificial prices that deny farmers solvency. you can find instances of farmers in 3rd world countries selling a kidney to buy fertilizer. or indenturing a child to cover debt. trying to farm for a world market is a lie that every person that breathes should be defying with every fiber in them. because when the common people stop breathing in the foreign lands, we're next. it's arrogant to believe that people are starving because they are lazy. or the resources are not there. north americans are the the people that are the least aware of the food crisis, while having the most blame for the way the food is distributed world wide
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« Reply #26 on: April 14, 2008, 05:14:42 AM »
Uuuuhhhhh Oooooohhhh, Are we off on another "we're at fault 'cause we're rich, white, fat Americans" tirade?? We can grow the food and GIVE it to needy countries and once it is in the hands of the despots running those countries, it's out of our control. If they choose to repackage it and sell it on the world market and send out a few million more pictures of starving children begging for food or money through professional solicitors, what is our responsibility? And there are what you could call professional welfare nations around the globe.

Let's see, you say, poor but proud sons of the soil selling a kidney or indenturing a child just to raise a crop while being crushed under the wheels of the corporate juggernaughts.  Hmmmm?  Damn, Ivan, I hate to tell you this but Lenin has been dead quite a while now. And his ideas of a perfect world were proved unworkable in the real world. The USSR has disbanded you know. You're just a little bit out of date, guy.

And, FWIW, I don't think Americans are so much clueless as they are too soft hearted for their own good. Who do you think is shipping all this free food and free medicine and free money around the globe? 

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« Reply #27 on: April 14, 2008, 10:07:21 AM »
  Marx, Engels, Lenin & Trotsky...RIP..even though I doubt they do !...LOL
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« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2008, 11:47:25 AM »
I disagree that America will have a shortage of food.  We export much more food than consumed here in the US.  The problem I see with any food shortage, is that we give away food for foreign assistance or trade food for more expensive goods that increases our trade deficit.  If we have a food shortage and the people demand less foreign food exports, then these same import countries belittle us politically as inhumanitarian.  If we keep up the food supply, these same countries label us as interventionists in their countries policies.  The same applies here at home with welfare.  Once they are on it, they think they deserve it.  Once they are off it, they think they are being discriminated against.  Somewhere, something must change.  America will either become a socialistic, communist nation or there will be a drastic change toward extreme conservatism.  The change probably will be violent at some time.  We cannot continue for long with the bipolarization of our national leaders and cater to the special interest groups, while our deficit contiues to climb exponentially.  Charity begins at home.
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« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2008, 03:42:42 PM »
I think Ivan is trying to say it is OUR fault because there are countries around the globe that are out-breeding their ability to feed themselves.  It has always been that way and I, for one, think it's time we stopped subsidizing their lust. Do we let them starve? I don't think I could handle that but we could certainly trade food for population control GUARENTEES. Birthrate reductions.  Figure out a 10 year plan or a 15 year plan at which time their population would match their ability to feed themselves thru either agriculture or industry.   
As you said, Deltecs, what started out as charity here at home, has become a birthright, an entitlement. :(