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Offline siamese4570

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Here comes Wally World
« on: April 15, 2008, 08:38:34 AM »
Read this on MSN yesterday.  Wally World is developing it's own gun registration.  They are going to start taking your picture when you purchase a firearm and store it so if the gun is used in a crime, they can have a picture of who bought it.  Their term for it was "Responsible gun sales" or something like that.  Didn't make alot of sense until I read further.  Evidentally Wally World hasn't been able to break into New York city yet and they're in bed with Mayor Bloomberg and his anti-gun policies.  They said that the system is not develpped yet, implying that it could be a while before we see it.  Do you think that we should point out to them that most crimes involve handguns and Wally World hasn't sold them in years?

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Re: Here comes Wally World-a little off topic
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2008, 09:39:57 AM »
I don't think they would want to break into gun sales in new territory.....wal mart stopped selling guns down here in south ms for some reason.....

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Re: Here comes Wally World-a little off topic
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2008, 10:55:59 AM »
I personally do think that taking my picture is any kind of a threat. They have my name and address any way. I have lived in the same house since 1976 so I would not be hard to track down. A picture is not going to make it a bit easier to find me. I have never falsified a gun record, so I have nothing to hide here. I do not plan on doing a crime, I am 56 and if I was going to be doing that sort of thing then I would have done it a long time ago. Defending my home or family is another matter, but again I am not going to be hard to find. Taking my picture is not going to stop me from buying a gun, if I so choose or defending my family/property. The guys it might slow down are the ones that are buying guns out of state and then taking them to a state or city where they are not allowed. These guys make their living buying guns and selling to people that can not buy their own for one reason or another. I would not think they would want their picture taken, because you call it up in a data base and see that they have bought many guns in a short period of time, they are out of state and make it easier to track them down or recognize them when they are buy another gun, even if it was in another store. it is easier for me to buy a gun now than it was years ago. They have almost instant background checks now, where twenty years ago they had to send it in by mail and wait for someone to go through files and OK the deal. Bloomberg has found that some of the crimes in his city are committed with out of state gun sales, so he wants to stop that traffic. Where there is a will, there is a way. When will they learn that taking away or deterring honest citizens from owning guns does not drop crime, it promotes it. With all of that said, the same people (liberals) that hold up civil rights and privacy as a big deal are generally the same ones that want to take our guns away, go figure. I am not talking about the extreme right that go nuts over privacy and civil rights but want guns to kill anyone that does not feel their way either, I do not have much use for them either. I guess that was my 2 cents + a little more
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Re: Here comes Wally World
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2008, 04:11:32 PM »
Typical Walmart is disorganized and if your gun is sold and whoever buys it and uses it in a crime and they didn't register it or somethings wrong then your basically screwed. If your gun is stolen its just about the same. I think for it to work the government would have to do it and keep it in a database and like a little profile with your picture, name, and the guns and such. Its stupid, as if they don't know who you are. I bet it would happen sometime though with the Dem's wanting more gun control everyday.
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Re: Here comes Wally World
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2008, 09:57:32 AM »
Typical liberal, do nothing, feel good attempt by some college educated idiot that really doesn't know anything about the real  world.  Doesn't surprise me none.  gypsyman
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Here comes Wally World
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2008, 01:03:20 PM »
Who wants to join me in the class action lawsuit!

My picture and all the info on firearms I purchased a Wal-mart is going to be in a database that any Wal-mart sporting goods employee can access.  I don't think so!  Not voluntarily it won't, let me see, if some no good gets a job in Wal-mart sporting goods then he can sell a list of the firearms I have bought at Wal-mart to his no good buddies so they can come to my home (address is in the file) and steal my firearms.   No, No at thousand tomes NO!
 
So that is why we need to start the class action lawsuit, to keep our private information safe.  Now if the information is only available to SG Manager and above, that might be different.  Maybe.

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Re: Here comes Wally World
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2008, 08:18:28 AM »
Wal Mart is under the gun and I am surprised they are still in the business of selling firearms.  I understand that they have quit selling firearms in a number of States.  Wal Mart and other large retailers employee a lot of people.  The more people you employee the more complex the human resource management becomes.

Even in the most friendly firearm state, the sales of firearms are highly regulated.  For years law enforcement has been able to track firearms sold in legitimate channels.  The sale is tracked from factory, wholesalers, to retail, and to the customer.  If it goes out of bounds in the process the last recorded holder has questions answer.

A few years ago the anti-gun California Attorney General went after K-Mart and Wal Mart.  His goal was to put them out of the firearms business and he succeeded.  Without a doubt their business model failed them.  When your are selling firearms you have to take a few extra steps in hiring employees.  Both businesses have a lot of stores in California, but one X-felon selling firearms helped bring Wal Mart down.  I am sure that at the time of higher he told them his was a convicted felon and could not work in the sporting goods department.  LOL

Another allegation was that an employee was making sales to individuals by statues that were not authorized to purchase firearms.  They made firearm sales to felons or underage customers. 

Retail sales in most locations are highly regulated and inspected by local, state, and federal authorities.  The paper trail is what kills you.  The failure to properly document sales has put a number of gun shops out of businesses.  The tax guy is also checking your business records. 

K-Mart and Wal-Mart agreed to out of court settlements in California.  Both of them agreed not to sell firearms in California for a number of years.  Both also paid large civil penalties.  It was reported that Wal-Mart paid three million dollars to the State.  As a result I believe a number of other large retailers went out of the firearms business. 

I was in a large Sporting Goods store recently and I noticed that they had a desk and employee setup to deal with the sale of a firearm.  It appeared after a customer decided to buy the firearm the sales person turned him over to the person who specialized in processing the paper work. 

It might be similar to the individual who processes the paper work at a car dealership, which goes to the Department of Motor Vehicles. 

When you enter a business now days how many times do you think your picture has been taken by still, video, and digital cameras?  Some shopping mails are using the latest technology to record customers and vehicles as soon as they turn into the parking lot.  In some Malls the security there has a special camera that records all license numbers, and feeds the information into a databases.  If a vehicle has been reported stolen, or involved in a crime it will pop-up, and police are dispatched.  Malls have gone to this expense because they want their customers to feel safe, and with publicity the crooks will go to another malls lot.

Unlike Wal Mart, when you enter a small gun shop many times you will notice the owners or employee packing a firearm on their belt.  I do not blame them, many years ago I would do business in a small shop, but it came to an end when the shop owner was murdered in his shop.

I will not say all, but many shops now have security cameras taking pictures of customers.  Is your picture being store, and place in a sale folder?  In this digital age transferring a picture from a security disk to paper is not difficult.  The local gunshop I do business with keeps a log as required by law.  Any of his employees have access to that information and it is no different with the gunshop that has ten-fifteen employees, over time a number of people have access to the records of sale.

When I leave the house and stop at the local Stop & Rob to buy a lotto ticket, I am being recorded.  I next pull into the local service station, I am being recorded at the pumps, when I enter to pay, and when I return for my change.  When I stop to visit a friend in the hospital I am taped in the parking lot, and am sure when I enter the lobby.  I have noticed a couple of security cameras aimed at the parking lot of the strip mall my barber for thirty years is located and there are a number of cameras on top of a nearby bank.  I doubt the little barbershop has a camera, but I am not sure.

I have had my picture and fingerprints taken by the State to obtain a drivers license, the same happen for employment, security checks, carry permit, and to coach a youth ball team.  I have even peed in a bottle to maintain my employment.  My kids had to pee in a bottle to get employed.  Did you know that many police departments buy high school year book to use as a resource.

Frankly I do not blame Wal Mart, if some choose not to buy at Wal Mart that maybe the person Wal Mart is defending themselves from.  If local authorities tell Wal Mart that they must comply with certain rules to do business in their city or state then Wal Mart has a choice.  Retail has to deal with all kinds of regulations that failure to do so can put them out of business.  Cigarettes, and liquor sales put a business at risk.  There must be enough profit in the product to make it worth the risk, and pay the cost of selling the product.

After Wal Mart’s probation period was up in California many of us hoped that they would start selling firearms again.  That has not been the case; the cost was more then the profit generated by the product.





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