Risk of Nuclear Attack on U.S. Rises

[powderman]

DELTECS. You finally got tm figured out. POWDERMAN.   

[ncsurveyor]

"All of them killed were civilians"....650,000 civilians have been killed in Iracq in the past 6 years. 

Not that it changes your point a whole lot (or does it?), but civilian death totals in Iraq vary GREATLY with sources.  IBC reports approximately 88,000 through January 2008.

Not too sure how many of the 650,000 you reported as civilians were given a pass because of their wardrobe.  Not sure how many were killed "by their own" either.

Not sure whats right, but if you know for sure on the half million plus, please enighten us on your method.

Just trying to reel in the stigma and distractions.

Before that the UN children's council estimated 100,000 children died in Iracq due to the sanctions and blockades imposed by Bush I and Clinton I.

Can't understand with all that oil money why Saddam let 100,000 kids die due to some silly sanctions.  Someone should have taken him out.

Oh, wait a minute.  Nevermind.

[billy_56081]

"Put me in the I'm from Missouri catergory on this along with 56% of other Americans on the 911 investigations."  Quote TM7


 What Missouri category? The inbred section or what. I get around quite a bit and have rarely heard anyone think that 9/11 was a conspiracy. I did run into a burnt out Hippie with a tinfoil hat once that was claiming that. But he also claimed to have been abducted by aliens and was attacked by a chupacabra. TM7 if you think that the US is so bad and the muslims are so good why don't you go live in Saudi or Iran? I'm sure your super intellect will be appreciated there.

 By the way are you typing with one hand? Just wondering about my lawn mower theory.

  Iran and all muslim states are BAD. They are trying to get nuclear materials for a weapon. They are not planning on using them for peaceful purposes, they are not planning to use them as a defensive threat. Iran will use the offensivly! They are EVIL do you understand that concept (EVIL) or are you too brainwashed by your years of liberal education to have any concept of good and bad anymore?

[kevthebassman]

What Missouri category? The inbred section or what.

I take offense to that.  I was born and raised here, and so was all of my family.  I've got four grand parents and eight great-grand parents, thankyouverymuch.

Iran and all muslim states are BAD. They are trying to get nuclear materials for a weapon. They are not planning on using them for peaceful purposes, they are not planning to use them as a defensive threat. Iran will use the offensivly! They are EVIL do you understand that concept (EVIL) or are you too brainwashed by your years of liberal education to have any concept of good and bad anymore?

"Christian good, Muslim bad!  Christian good, Muslim bad!  Christian good, Muslim bad!"

That really is how your mind works, isn't it?  Men like you are the reason that human beings have been fighting each other since the dawn of recorded history.  You live in a bi-polar world, where only good and evil are possible, ignoring any concept of a gray zone or subjective morality.

You are completely incapable of empathy.  Furthermore, your preconceptions prevent you from rational consideration of any issue pertaining to Muslims, Israel, or misdeeds done by our own government.

In short, debate with you is like pissing into an arrogant, closed minded wind.

[Chilachuck]

TM7, everything you mention after 600AD is not relevant to Moslem behavior.

Mohammed was run out of Mecca by the residents. They called him "Mudhammam", meaning something like "thieving bum". He collected a gang in Medina and went back to Mecca and conquered the town. He spread from there, and never, ever, gained any territory through peaceful conversion. (Christianity, on the other hand, spread peacefully for about the first hundred years.)

What I described about Dhimmis, slavery, murder, etc, was what Mohammed did from the very beginning. Don't try unloading any bull about how the Moslems learned bad habits from the Christians.

It's in the Koran, and in the hadith (sort of a commentary or interpretation). Conquest, enslavement, rape of women and girls taken as loot, betrayal of truces, everything.

Mohammed was scum.

Are you going to claim that the only people who can say that Moslems are a problem are those who are fighting in Iraq, but anyone who wants to can claim the US and the Christians are to blame for everything?

[beemanbeme]

Over half a million.  That's a lot.  Sounds like somebodies cooking the books to me.  Where was the Red Crescent? 

If we're gonna keep going back and going back to point fingers, don't forget Org when he found out he could bash in Krog's head with a rock and take his wife and girl children and stuff.  Might as well blame him. 

And anyone that wants to take an UNBIASED look at history will probably have to admit it's a pretty close race as to which one, the Christians or the Muslims, did the most meanness in the name of their respective Gods. 

And, just to stir the pot a bit, to you folks that are screaming about how evil the Muslims are, did those old ladies in Salem tie themselves in those buckets and submerge themselves in the water?  Did they set fire to the faggots heaped around the stake they were tied to? Have you read much about the "indian solution" during the westward migration? Did those LEGAL family planning centers blow up by themselves?  Who's God was whispering in the ear of the people that killed the doctors that were performing LEGAL abortions?  Who's God said it was okay to get those little girls pregnant down in Texas?  My Christian God sez you need to be a little circumspect before you start heaving rocks. 

[billy_56081]

"And, just to stir the pot a bit, to you folks that are screaming about how evil the Muslims are, did those old ladies in Salem tie themselves in those buckets and submerge themselves in the water?  Did they set fire to the faggots heaped around the stake they were tied to? Have you read much about the "indian solution" during the westward migration? Did those LEGAL family planning centers blow up by themselves?  Who's God was whispering in the ear of the people that killed the doctors that were performing LEGAL abortions?  Who's God said it was okay to get those little girls pregnant down in Texas?  My Christian God sez you need to be a little circumspect before you start heaving rocks."


 The sins of our fathers? I for one am living now, and right now the muslims are the ones causing the trouble. Yes there are  isolated cases of Christian violence, but within Islam the violence is not and has not in the past been isolated. Islam has been a murderous, enslaving cult since its inception from the old child raping pervert Mohammed started it. For those of you who speak of "tolerance" you  are fools to think Islam needs to be tolerated, it is a cancerous cult and uses the silly kindergarten "tolerance" people as  tool to spread this disease on humanity.

[powderman]

BILLY, CHILACHUK. Well said, and true. Another thing. The so called civilian deaths referred to were mostly caused by other Godless ones. What kind of animal murders his own kind??? A muslim. Another thing. Doctors don't murder babies, butchers do. Those butchers in the abortion mills have nothing in common with drs. POWDERMAN. 

[Chilachuck]

Terrorists are civilians. We want to remember that when we read about how hundreds of "civilians" have been killed in that part of the world.

In addition, the ME Moslem terrorists are going out of their way to murder civilians in order to stir up the population and strike fear into the hearts of those who do not support outfits like Hamas and al Qaeda. (We know about how people are reluctant to testify against people belonging to certain families and criminal gangs because the other family or gang members will retaliate. That's why the Moslem terrorists try to frighten everyone in the area, to prevent people acting against the terrorist gangs.

The Moslem terrorists also hide behind women and children when they shoot at their enemies, so they can blame their enemies for deaths among the women and children.

[ironglow]

  Hmmmmm;
           Christian good, Muslim bad..Christian good, Muslim bad...
  I presume that is what many of us are accused of..but I haven't heard anyone say that ..except the accuser, but Scripture says we would have accusers !..LOL
 
   We need not make any statement to that effect, simply observe the actions and activities of either group..answer for yourself..

[powderman]

tm7. A sign like that would probably get you killed, taking into account the folks you associate yourself with. I, on the other hand, would not be bothered because I am surrounded by real Americans, not Godless ones like you are. No muzzie sympathizers in my crowd. If I walked around my area with a sign like that, I'd probably make a lot of money from a grateful America and be given a medal. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

 Hey TM;
    I thought you read these posts..when I used the term " Christian ..Good, Muslim ..bad"..I didn't think I had to tell anyone that I was quoting Kev's last post !
   Figured you had read it !
   I'll be more considerate next time !

[powderman]

IRONGLOW. Uhhhh, ya mean kev was kidding??? I thought he was starting to see the  light. Oh well. POWDERMAN. 

[kevthebassman]

IRONGLOW. Uhhhh, ya mean kev was kidding??? I thought he was starting to see the  light. Oh well. POWDERMAN. 

If blind hatred of an entire race of people based on the actions of a select few is what passes for "seeing the light," I think I'll just stay in the "dark."

[billy_56081]

"If blind hatred of an entire race of people based on the actions of a select few is what passes for "seeing the light," I think I'll just stay in the "dark."

Since when is muslim a race? I thought is was a cancerous cult that had no boundaries in color or geography.

[Chilachuck]

Well, Kev, if "Moslem" was a race, we could save a lot of trouble by just checking people of that race at the airports.

Too bad it won't work.

[no guns here]

Personally, the muzzies say that you get a chance to convert and then you die if you don't... I say we broadcast the same message to them and then about 35 minutes later we send them all to hell.  I don't have to apologize for the actions of so called "christians" in the past.  Most were christian in name only.  Face it folks... we are going to lose the battle on earth but we will win the battle in the end.  The muzzzies and all others will hear the trumpet blast and then they will be the ones begging forgiveness for worshipping devils and other "gods".  You can console yourself with the thought of them burning in hell for eternity.  They will be the ones who are absent from God's prescence...  In the meantime we have to defend ourselves.  We have the means and the opportunity all we need now is the motive... maybe they will give us one!


ngh

[ironglow]

  Right on, No Guns;

   I have read the whole book, and I know how it comes out !

[no guns here]

but we should elect pacificistic shape-changers instead?  Perhaps the world would be a better place if old Barrack Hussein Osama bin Obama gets elected.  Then we could convert the US to a Muslim nation.  We could then implement sharia law across the country.  Man... wouldn't that be great!  I can't wait to get the legal right to beat the hell out of my daughter... naw... forget that, I want to be able to stone her if I catch her alone with a boy!  I wanna be the guy that gets to cut off the hands of thieves that would be soooo cool!  Yeah and then my wife (maybe plural by 2010) would have to walk behind me and couldn't drive either.  Fun times ahead!  I could just kill anyone I want to and just claim that they insulted me... YEAH!  I'm for it!  Let's do it!  Obama Osama all the way!

Or not...

I hope his airplane falls from the sky and they never even find his remains.  He is the biggest source of evil that I have ever seen.  I thought Hillary was bad.  It's HARD to believe that she is the lesser of the two evils.  Obama only stands for blacks, Africa and himself.  To him, the white man is evil.  Until he stands up in front of God and everyone and denounces Mohammed and the Muslim faith as godless heathens there is no way I will even remotely consider him to be a non-muslim. There is some crazy dude out there with a really accurate rifle...  they did it to Kennedy, they'll do it to him and I won't cry.

ngh

[gypsyman]

I for one, wouldn't want to vote for a candidate that See's a very good chance of an atomic enema coming our way. Guess I'll go out and buy some KY and grab my ankle's.  gypsyman

[SHOOTALL]

When a few out of a race of people can destroy millions of another race  just how are we to decide who will and won't hurt us ?
Should they all not be suspect until proved safe one by one ?
When a group forces the other wise safe in the group to commit suicide and take as many of us along or his family will be tortured how can we tell ?
If you wish to risk your life go for it but don't include me and mine in such a foolish endeavor ! as at some point they need to put a leash on their own or bear the blunt of retaliation !

[DalesCarpentry]

There is some crazy dude out there with a really accurate rifle...  they did it to Kennedy, they'll do it to him and I won't cry.

ngh

I have been thinking this all along. There are crazy people out there and if he is elected president I don't think he will last long. Dale

[SHOOTALL]

Any one who would turn their head or celebrate at the assignation of any American no matter their beliefs or rank is a disgrace to the country ! It only destroys our system and way of life !

[Oldtimer]

NGH,
I rarely get hot under the collar, but your comments about assassinating the President of the United States just started my shirt smoldering.  Regardless of who is elected, once they take the oath of office, they are no longer just themselves, but President.  Our whole system is built on law and the will of the electorate.  I do not want to hear whining about the electoral college or that we are a democracy.  We are a represtentative republic, and the electors are out representatives, albeit one step removed.  Voting is by ballot, not by bullet.

What has happened when Presidents have been assassinated is that a wave of sympathy has passed the agenda that they proposed.  Think of the Great Society.  Kennedy was not a popular President, and he did not have the congressional strength to pass his programs.  With his death, Johnson was able to get those plans passed into law.  

When I have to hear this kind of talk among gun owners, it makes me want to duck my head and walk away, but the way to change is to engage.  If you don't like a candidate, work to have him defeated in the polls.  Loss in  a presidential election is a kiss of political death.  I cannot think of a defeated candidate in a modern presidential election who was nominated twice by a major party.   Because we have the strength of the ballot, we do not need the bullet.

[ironglow]

Oldtimer;
  Don't get too hot under the collar; if you read the first half of what NGH said about Obama/Osama, he was in no way threatening any presidential candidate; he
   was tongue-in-cheek, mocking the imposition of "Sharia Law" which he figured may come if the election went off a certain way.
 
   In the latter half he said he wished a certain plane would fall from the sky, obviously tongue-in-cheek again.. At least, that's how I saw it !
       

[Chilachuck]

So, If someone who is obviously not a Semite claims to be Moslem, Christian, or Jew, he is a liar? Only a Semite can be any one of the three? A Pakistani tribesman who says nasty things about Christians or Jews is a racist?

Or, does conversion to Islam, Christianity, or Judaism change one's race?

[alsaqr]

"Yea who would of thought they could hijack planes and turn them into bombs and you surely would not want to tell anybody about it for fear of being labled a scaremonger."


For years it was the policy of our sheeple government to just give the hi-jackers the airplane.  No one was smart enough to lock the cockpit doors.   Besides it would have cost the airlines money for cockpit door locks.  The thought was that those benevo lent hijackers would not doing anything bad with the plane or the passengers.   Kind of like the advice from the antis:  When you are accosted by armed thugs you are supposed to "give them  what they want."   Surely that kind criminal will not kill a person after he has raped or robbed that person.  

Despite warnings from other countries the US did not take heed.  So we had 9/11.  We, the taxpayers paid about 50 billion dollars a year for something called "intelligence."  About 10 different federal agencies are in the business of "intelligence gathering"   None of these dumb a$$e$ were  smart enough to assume that Arab terrorists would try again to blow up the WTC after they failed in 1993.  

[SHOOTALL]

I once saw a special on DNA , seems this frozen lady from northern Europe  was found and her DNA checked . Then samples were taken around the world . She was linked with White , African , Native American and others around the Globe . So DNA may or may not be the link you want ! WE Americans separate Religion and govt. ( claim to anyway ) They on the other hand claim they are the same and Religion rules all - but under closer examination one sees often that Religion is the scape goat for political gain or lack of cooperation on their part !
The middle east is a bomb and all the hand wring will not change that ! Lets make it go off over there not here !

[no guns here]

OT,
     Don't get too hot... there was definitely a method to my madness.  See I know the rules about about that stuff I spent 6 years working at the White House under Reagan, Bush and Clinton.  I would never word anything in such a manner as to constitute a threat to the President of the United States whether past, present or probably future.  I merely stated that someeone will probably do it and I wouldn't cry over it.  Honestly, if would create a vacuum and probably make him more famous that MLK.  But would you cry about it?  I see Obama-sama as the greatest threat to our nation and way of life since... well since probably forever.  I believe he is a manchurian candidate for the muzzies.  Until he makes a mistake and does something to prove that he is a domestic enemy of the United States, there is little that can be done.  Even then about 98% of the population are sheeple or criminals and they will do nothing constructive.  I CAN'T work too hard to keep him from being elected.  I'm still active-duty (21 years).  At some point, I won't even be able to say anything bad about him without risk of punishment.  An accidental crash prior to his oath-taking would solve a lot of problems though.  unfortunately many others would suffer...  I'm not completely heartless.


Sincerly,
ngh

[SHOOTALL]

bitter/sweet ?