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Should we ?
« on: April 19, 2008, 05:11:44 AM »
      Liberals keep telling Christians that we must be more tolerant & "understanding".. and learn to accept the differences between Christianity and Islam .

   ..Should we, really ?                         www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24329



Honor Killing in Texas
by Robert Spencer

Posted: 01/08/2008
 
Amina Said, 18, and her sister Sarah, 17, smile happily in one widely circulating photo, and Amina is wearing what looks like a sweatshirt bearing the name “AMERICAN.” But their fate may have been the herald of a new, disquieting feature of the American landscape: honor killing. Amina and Sarah were shot dead in Irving, Texas, on New Year’s Day. Police are searching for their father, Yaser Abdel Said, on a warrant for capital murder.

The girls’ great aunt, Gail Gartrell, told reporters, “This was an honor killing.” She explained that Yaser Said had long abused the girls, and after discovering that they had boyfriends, had threatened to kill them -- whereupon their mother fled with them. “She ran with them,” said Gartrell, “because she knew he would carry out the threat.” But Said found them, and apparently did carry it out.

Honor killing, the practice of murdering a female family member who is believed to have sullied the family honor, enjoys widespread acceptance in some areas of the Islamic world. However, Islam Said, the brother of Amina and Sarah, has denied that the murders had anything to do with Islam at all. “It’s not religion,” he insisted. “It’s something else. Religion has nothing to do with it.”Continued


And to be sure, the Qur’an or Islamic tradition does not sanction honor killing. Muslim spokesmen have hastened, after the recent killing in Canada of another teenage Muslim girl, Aqsa Parvez, by her father to tell the public that honor killing has nothing to do with Islam, but is merely a feature of Islamic culture in some areas. Aqsa Parvez was sixteen years old; her father, Muhammad Parvez, has been charged with strangling her to death because she refused to wear the hijab. Shahina Siddiqui, president of the Islamic Social Services Association, declared: “The strangulation death of Ms. Parvez was the result of domestic violence, a problem that cuts across Canadian society and is blind to colour or creed.” Sheikh Alaa El-Sayyed, imam of the Islamic Society of North America in Mississauga, Ontario, agreed: “The bottom line is, it’s a domestic violence issue.”

But these dismissals are too easy, principally because they fail to take into account important evidence. In some areas, honor killing is assumed to be an Islamic practice. There is evidence that Islamic culture inculcates attitudes that could lead directly to the murders of these two girls in Texas. In 2003, the Jordanian Parliament voted down on Islamic grounds a provision designed to stiffen penalties for honor killings. In a sadly typical consequence of this early last year, a Jordanian man who murdered his sister because he thought she had a lover was given a three-month sentence, which was suspended for time served, allowing him to walk free. The Yemen Times just last week published an article insisting that violence against women is necessary for the stability of the family and the society, and invoking Islam to support this view.

Since Islam is used as the justification for such barbarities, it becomes incumbent upon Muslim spokesmen to confront this directly, and to work for positive change, rather than simply to consign it all to culture, as if that absolves Islam from all responsibility. For this is the culture that apparently gave Yaser Said and Muhammad Parvez the idea that they had to kill their daughters. It is a culture suffused with its religion, thoroughly dominated by it -- such that a clear distinction between the two is not so easy to find.

The killings of Amina and Sarah Said raises uncomfortable questions for the Islamic community in the United States, questions about the culture and mindset that people like Yaser Said bring to this country. Now that honor killing has come to Texas, Muslim spokesmen in the U.S. have an all the more urgent responsibility to end their denial and confront these cultural attitudes. If they don’t, and instead continue to glibly insist that religion has nothing to do with what happened to these poor girls, the murders of the Said sisters will only be the beginning of a new American phenomenon.


       
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Re: Should we ?
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2008, 03:35:40 PM »
I think 9/11,uss Cole and thousands of other murderous attacks have already enlightened enough in the world.
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Re: Should we ?
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2008, 04:34:44 PM »
      Liberals keep telling Christians that we must be more tolerant & "understanding".. and learn to accept the differences between Christianity and Islam .

   ..Should we, really ?                         www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24329

       

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Re: Should we ?
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2008, 06:42:56 AM »
I don't claim to be sharpest knife in the drawer, but does anyone understand what tm7 is trying to say is he for or against HONOR KILLING? ???
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Re: Should we ?
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2008, 07:52:11 AM »
Very good point.  But have the principle sects of Muslims put out some sort of blanket condemnation of the world wide terrorist attacks and senseless killings of innocent Christians and Jews by these radical groups? 

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Re: Should we ?
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2008, 08:02:31 AM »
Ah. I see. Having 50,000 murders in the US, what's a few more? So long as they are committed by Moslems and not Christians.

I really wonder if some version of the "Four Minute Men" program has been resurrected? Not by the PoUS, but by someone else with lots of money and a grudge against the US?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Minute_Men

I'm finding posters who consistently support the Lefty position of the day, even when it contradicts the position last week, in the darnedest forums, and it cannot be a coincidence.

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Re: Should we ?
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2008, 10:06:44 AM »
  TM7,, once again you come out and try to twist simple logic. The Catholics molestations were not sanctioned or supported by the catholic masses. In the case of honor killing, your hero's the muslims are proud of it and even go as far as hiding these murdeous animals for doing these nasty deeds to their wives and daughters.

  Are you paid by some muslim anti defamation group or are you really so blind to the realities of the world. Are you even an American? You seem to have a grudge against everything America stands. I think CHilachuck has a point. Are you an agent againt America? If not you should applie for a job in this vocation because you would be a natural at it.
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Re: Should we ?
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2008, 05:07:21 PM »
  Back to my original post:

    We are supposed to be more "tolerant" and "understanding" of these other "religions"...sorry, I cannot be tolerant of "honor murder" of these two little girls..

  My heart cannot grasp the cold blooded murder of his own daughters..and it is not an isolated case; more are reported. No small wonder these nutcases have
    no compunction when murdering other people's children !

   I am definitely not Roman Catholic...but your comparison is totally skewed..
    1) We are talking two different crimes; molestation (bad enough) and murder by fire, explosion and beheading.
    2) The RC Church has always disapproved of molestation (done by a few perverts), while the Muslim populations in great numbers,
         approve of the murders.
    3) The Pope (R Catholic's earthly boss) has apologized personally to each victim..have the Jihad leaders done so ?
    4) The RC Church has paid out many millions to the molestation victims..how about the Jihadists ?
    5)  The RC Church has lost membership due to the scandal; while the jihadists claim membership boosts with each new atrocity they commit.

      Truly TM, you are trying to compare apples and oranges..to say nothing about defending your good friend's atrocities by pointing out an unrelated breach of conduct by
   someone that has nothing to do with the question at hand..is a transparently pathetic attempt toward legitimacy.
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Re: Should we ?
« Reply #8 on: April 20, 2008, 05:23:54 PM »
Could be the solution to the mid-east problems  is to just arm the ladies.
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Re: Should we ?
« Reply #9 on: April 20, 2008, 05:45:03 PM »
Despicable.  Just like the Spanish Inquisition, Salem Witch Hunt, Crusades, Jihad, suicide bombing, etc.  Killing in the name of religion is about as fool a thing to kill for as I can possibly think of, no matter what sky-buddy you claim to be serving when you do it.

When murder happens in our country, we need to hunt the perp down like the dog they are and bring them to justice.  If their sky-buddy thinks what they did is right, then they shouldn't have any problem with us sending them to meet him at the earliest possible convenience. (Read: whenever the chair is cool enough from the last sorry-ass gangbanger or baby raper.)

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« Reply #10 on: April 20, 2008, 06:02:45 PM »
The women have been so brainwashed by the male dominated society they are totally dysfunctional outside of their society.  Knew an American that married an Islamic lady.  After they were married he brought her back to the state where she met his younger sisters.  There she became a young American wife, with American values and ideas.  Upon returning to the middle east, she was no longer welcome in her families house or to converse with the women in the village.  They were afraid of her, that she might convince her relatives that way of doing things and being subservient to the men was not right.  The women were actually afraid of her, the village elders requested the Base Commander to restrict her to the Base, so she could not influence her relatives, her father had swore he was going to kill her to protect the families honor.  After the Base Commander checked into the matter he decided the best thing to do would be reassign the young man to Germany.  If the father had killed her the local government would not have done anything, and the community would have applauded him.
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« Reply #11 on: April 20, 2008, 06:38:24 PM »
TM7, you need to lay out some numbers. Nearly all wars being fought today involve Moslem expansionism.

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Re: Should we ?
« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2008, 03:58:38 AM »
we should resist them when they come and try to change us , as long as they stay home we should respect their borders unless asked for help from a portion of their people . I have lived through head start , minority advancement with out ablity ( equal rights ) , un-documented workers and the dumbing down of America . I don't see a need to accept their ways , we have screwed up our country enough on our own .
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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2008, 05:37:52 AM »


TM7, are you going to say that the  Christians in Indonesia should give up because the Moslems have been trying to take over for the last 300 years? The Hindus and Buddhists should just give up because the Moslems have been trying to take over for the last 500 years? Moslems have been trying to expand through the Philippines for about as long as Indonesia, and they are still fighting.

Any place where there is fighting between Moslems and anyone who is not Moslem is a place Moslems are trying to expand into, or have been trying to expand into. These are not rebellions against Islam because the rebellious have already been enslaved or murdered.

Riots in France by "disaffected Asian youths"? Those are African Moslems trying to take over French cities. Dutch artists being murdered or threatened with murder over silly cartoons? Moslems trying to impose Sharia law outside dar al Islam.

Special prayer rooms in US universities? Attempts to impose Sharia law in US universities (Moslem expansionism).

Moslem cabbies not sent to the end of the pick up cue for refusing passengers with dogs or bottles of booze? (Moslem expansionism).

You aren't aware that Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Turkey, Lebanon, Ethiopia, all the northern African coast, and all the Moslem nations north of Turkey were once Christian, and conquered by Moslem warriors? Do you really think that Iraq was peacefully converted to Islam from the mixture of a dozen or so seperate religions?

Are you aware that there are more slaves today in Moslem countries than there were in the New World back before the US Civil War? (Most in Islamic countries.)

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(Quick edit: Numbers. You claim large numbers of Moslems killed by Christians and Jews. Numbers of Moslems killed, for causes other than defense, by Christians and Jew acting as Christians and Jews, ie to impose anything on Moslems other than "stop attacking us".)