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Some pretty stupid questions?
« on: April 21, 2008, 02:17:10 PM »
This is just going to show how little I know about the inside of a bolt action rifle. I have a Remington SPS Varmint 243. If I ever wanted to re barrel it I would from what I understand have to go with a caliber that has a 308 bolt face. I guess that means calibers that are related to the 308. Tell me if I am missing any. That would include the 260, 7MM-08, 308, and the 338 Federal. What is the bolt face and why am I limited to these calibers? Is the chamber that the round goes in, in the barrel or before it? If it is before it I guess I understand why I have to go with the 308 family. I know these are stupid questions. Maybe if someone could provide a cut away section of it that would help. Thanks Dale
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Re: Some pretty stupid questions?
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2008, 02:23:08 PM »
Well its a short-action too so cartridges like the 30-06 or 270 are too long to fit in the magazine. Yes all those use the 308 as its parent case but if you had a different bolt you could use other short action calibers like 223 or 22-250. That's about as much as I could tell ya. I'm not sure but you could check out some Ackley Improved versions of those you mentioned.

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Re: Some pretty stupid questions?
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2008, 04:29:25 PM »
Actually no new bolt is needed for the 22-250 or its parent the 250 Savage. They have the same .473" case head as the .243//.308 cases.

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Re: Some pretty stupid questions?
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2008, 07:01:10 PM »
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Re: Some pretty stupid questions?
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2008, 06:39:03 AM »
the bolt face of your Remington is the recess at the front of the bolt where the cartridge fits. In the center of the bolt face you'll find the hole for the firing pin. The 243 uses a 'standard bolt face common to many cartridges including the 308 and 30-06 families. Remington builds the 243 on a 'short' action version of the M700 which doesn't have enough length to successfully handle the 30-06 family of cartridges. There are 3 major case heads used. The standard as your's, the magnum typified by rounds such as the 300 H&H and 7mm RemMag and the small used by cartridges such as the 222 Rem and 223 Rem, among others. There are of course others but 85-90% are covered by one of these case heads. Many actions now come in 2 lengths to better handle a specific range of cartridges although some such as the 98 Mauser do not. Even older M70 actions were of a single length with some very specific adaptations for shorter rounds.  Also as a rule questions are not stupid. Lack of knowledge may indicate ignorance which can be readily cured. The inability to learn is the sign of stupidity. Good luck with what appears to be a fine rifle..
The following link goes to a parts blow up of a M700. It should help you understand the inner workings of your rifle.. Ask if there is anything you don't understand..
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Re: Some pretty stupid questions?
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2008, 10:22:56 AM »
Thanks for taking the time and trying to explain it to me. I take it then that where the cartridge chambers  in the barrel then? I think you for got to leave the link. Thanks Dale
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Re: Some pretty stupid questions?
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2008, 12:03:17 PM »
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Re: Some pretty stupid questions?
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2008, 06:46:43 PM »
Sorry but I guess it's just another of those darn senior moments!!  I'll put the link below.. There may be differences on your rifle depending on it's date of manufacture as Remington changed the design of it's trigger system. The new one seems better but I've not had problems with the old!

http://stevespages.com/ipb-remington-700.html
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Re: Some pretty stupid questions?
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2008, 03:10:19 AM »
Dale, the rounds feed from a magazine via feed rails that are either a part of the machining of the action body's underside, or a part (lips) of the detachable magazine (clip).
The rounds are generally pushed into the chamber by the bolt, which lock into place when the bolt handle is turned down.

The chamber is loacted at that same rearmost end of the barrel, and is formed after first drilling a barrel blank for a selected caliber, like .308 (whatever) & rifling it - end to end.
The chamber end of most finished barrels is identified by the bulge that allows for the larger chamber, called the "barrel re-inforce".

The end of the rifled deep hole, selected as the breech end of the barrel, is then reamed out with an especially shaped drill bit called a chambering reamer, to a specified depth to form the chamber.

(there are multitudes of chambering reamers - a different shape for each different cartridge)

"Headspace" has to do with how deep that chamber is reamed, along with some other dimensions, like the distance from the locked boltface to the headspace datum point (different for rimmed/rimless/etc).

It can get complicated, which is why special tools & experience are need to complete a safe job.

You are not necessarily limited to the factory cartridges based on the .308 Win case (.243/.260/.7mm-08/.308/.338 Fed/.358 Win), provided you also want to step into the world of "wildcat" cartridges - where you can virtually "roll your own", albeit within that same case body.
For instance, you could build a .22  Cheetah (.22/.308), a .25 Souper (.25/.308), or try your hand at a .40 cal.  It only takes determination & a lot of green paper.
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Re: Some pretty stupid questions?
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2008, 12:23:18 PM »
I have read up some in the past about the  .22  Cheetah and I have to say I have great interest in that round. I love fast and flat. It really sound like a great Groundhog round. Dale
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