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Re: The Polygamist thing...
« Reply #120 on: April 28, 2008, 09:40:27 AM »
this all aside...whatever your opinion is......

  i do have to say though, your "invitation" to matt is WAY out of line. 

I thought his invitation was quite welcoming! He even offered to pay his travel expenses. What better way for two people to resolve an issue in real-time. Face to face without the time delay, in-personalization, distance and the internet in the way. Who knows, they may even be able to form an alliance that will last forever.
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Re: The Polygamist thing...
« Reply #121 on: April 28, 2008, 09:41:49 AM »
and if you want to see brain washing check out the public school nearest you one day !

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« Reply #122 on: April 28, 2008, 09:51:32 AM »
i have seen people get the boot for just such behavior.  dont say i didnt try to warn you.

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Re: The Polygamist thing...
« Reply #123 on: April 28, 2008, 10:58:52 AM »
this all aside...whatever your opinion is......

  i do have to say though, your "invitation" to matt is WAY out of line. 

I thought his invitation was quite welcoming! He even offered to pay his travel expenses. What better way for two people to resolve an issue in real-time. Face to face without the time delay, in-personalization, distance and the internet in the way. Who knows, they may even be able to form an alliance that will last forever.
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Unusual as it is for Matt he has been nice enough to ignore this threat. BUT if you keep bringing it up as you are then there will be some people here who lose their GBO membership over this. Just one more mention is all it will require. I'm quite sick and tired of several of you and your BS on this matter. Do not assume I'll be as nice in this case as Matt has been.

If someone was serious about wanting to settle such a score in such a way they'd not go to the BS method of offering to pay someone's travel fare knowing it won't be done they'd get their sorry cowardly ass in gear and do the travel. That they don't is quite adequate proof they are full of S**T and nothing more. If you guys keep this alive any longer you'll be offered the opportunity to move it to some other site cuz you won't be on this one any longer. I am quite sick of all you internet rambos and your BS talk. Get on topic or get the hell off this site.


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Re: The Polygamist thing...
« Reply #124 on: April 28, 2008, 12:49:45 PM »
News just said that 31 of the 57 teen girls are either pregnant or already have babies, the girls are 14 -17. 3rd time I've tried to send this. Can't use smilies.  POWDERMAN.
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« Reply #125 on: April 28, 2008, 01:06:24 PM »
There are Mormons and there are Latter Day Saints.  The two should not be confused.

LDS folks are widely seen across the USA, Canada, and South America.  Mormons are less widely distributed outside the western states.

SOME Mormons continue to follow the teachings of Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.  These two preached in favor of plural marriage, blood atonement (Masonic based ritual murder), and many other doctrines.

The outrage many Americans have about this current situation is identical to early Mormon history.  Mormons were run out of many towns before the big move to Utah.

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Re: The Polygamist thing...
« Reply #126 on: April 28, 2008, 02:43:45 PM »
this all aside...whatever your opinion is......

  i do have to say though, your "invitation" to matt is WAY out of line. 

I thought his invitation was quite welcoming! He even offered to pay his travel expenses. What better way for two people to resolve an issue in real-time. Face to face without the time delay, in-personalization, distance and the internet in the way. Who knows, they may even be able to form an alliance that will last forever.
 ;)

Unusual as it is for Matt he has been nice enough to ignore this threat. BUT if you keep bringing it up as you are then there will be some people here who lose their GBO membership over this. Just one more mention is all it will require. I'm quite sick and tired of several of you and your BS on this matter. Do not assume I'll be as nice in this case as Matt has been.

If someone was serious about wanting to settle such a score in such a way they'd not go to the BS method of offering to pay someone's travel fare knowing it won't be done they'd get their sorry cowardly ass in gear and do the travel. That they don't is quite adequate proof they are full of S**T and nothing more. If you guys keep this alive any longer you'll be offered the opportunity to move it to some other site cuz you won't be on this one any longer. I am quite sick of all you internet rambos and your BS talk. Get on topic or get the hell off this site.

It was just a little stab at some sarcastic humor. I was just trying to bring some humor to hopefully help get rid of the tension. I certainly don't condone any actions like was proposed by Rex. That's why I made light of it in humor. My appologies if this hit a nerve.
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Re: The Polygamist thing...
« Reply #127 on: April 29, 2008, 01:48:42 AM »
Are we still going on about something that happen 3 pages back, I am terribly sorry for my sorry assed cowardly action, but when i am attacked( being called ignorant because i don't agree with some one else) i feel the need to strike back.
i thought it was the only gentlemanly way to express my feelings ,  as i don not like to do a lot of name calling.
I apologize to ALL i offended,
did not bring this up just trying to end it gracefully.
Matt i especially apologize to you.
Myronman you are correct it was out of line.
Graybeard thank you for pointing my sorry cowardly ass out, just say what i mean and mean what i say and some times it gets me in trouble. I apologize to you and your forum.
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Re: The Polygamist thing...
« Reply #128 on: April 29, 2008, 02:22:07 AM »
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do you really believe that, it was said by the State of TX. to the media. and besides maybe their parents (who ever they are) gave permission.
do you think the state should (having found this out)  back off and let the good folks do as they wish, after all these children BELONG to them.
I am sorry guys but when does it end, this let people do as they wish, yea maybe we have too many laws that do nothing, lets fix them, we can not
just lay down and say i don't want to step on anyones toes. Maybe it was wrong to do what the state did, but i don't think these people were going to come out.
some times someone has to be the bad guy in order to get any thing done. I know it is not over BUT what they have found (IMHO) justifies the action.
If you in your own mind can justify 31  out of 53 girls between the age of 14-17 either pregnant or have been,  of course this could all be done by 14-17 year old boys,
still should be stopped. I don't think 60% of the 14-17 year old girls on the out side are or have been pregnant.
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Re: The Polygamist thing...
« Reply #129 on: April 29, 2008, 03:15:17 AM »
  I was preparing a long, drawn out answer, but I think we will have to agree to disagree so didn't bother.

The statute you ask for is below. One clarification, parental consent is swore to the County Clerk, unless parent is absent then it goes to the judge. But the simple fact of no marriage license is enough to nullify a husband/wife relationship. And as you'll read an informal marriage (Common Law) can not exist when one person is a minor. I'm just curious why you get so upset when people have knowledge of the law?

http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/FA/content/htm/fa.001.00.000002.00.htm



Your curiosity as to my getting upset is like most of you law knowledge. It is in your imagination. I am not angry or upset, just setting the record straight on some issues, such as YOUR claim that a District Judge had to sign approval for a minor to get married. And that is just one example. Just as in THIS POST, you have had to concede in a ALL KNOWING WAY that a simple County Clerk can accept the "consent form" being signed. In fact anyone in the office of the County Clerk can accept the "CONCENT FORM". You have tried to twist things that I have said, and taken them out of context, and tried to make yourself look more knowledgeable than you actually are.
In actuality you are part of a "collection agency for child support" and have no real experience in Child Protection Services, AND your experience in Family Code is from what you pull up on the Internet.
You are giving OPINIONS, and trying to base them on law, that you obviously have "never enforced". If you had, you would not have made so many obvious mistakes.
The reason for your sensitivity to my remark of Internet Lawyers, has now became clear. As for being in your words, "not nice", it is "not nice" to misrepresent ones self, or condemn folks in a case they know little or nothing about. You made a statement in an earlier post that; I do this stuff for a living. You do not sir. You are part of a "collection agency for child support" by your own admission. This is NOT THE SAME as Family Code Enforcement of minors. Not even close.
You have also made the statement that the EXECUTIVE and Judicial branch of State government is involved in this investigation. Just what part of the EXECUTIVE BRANCH is involved? I have seen nothing but Judicial and Enforcement (and no not Child support enforcement) as of yet involved. And you also stated that YOUR AGENCY (child support collections) will be involved soon. How do you know this? Lotta of drama here. ::)
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Re: The Polygamist thing...
« Reply #130 on: April 29, 2008, 03:50:32 AM »
hey rex,  i would say  that i think more teenage girls actually get pregnant that you think. just because you dont see them running around with big bellys doesnt mean it aint happening.  take a look at abortion figures,  it will shock you.    there are alot more teenage girls that get pregnant that we will ever know.

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« Reply #131 on: April 29, 2008, 04:30:45 AM »
myronman, you are probably right. The abortion figures since 1973 are in excess of 44,000,000 million and growing. That is about 1,600,000+ a year. Yet our state and federal government doesn't teach abstinence in our public schools but passes out contraceptives instead. Then the Dept. of Human Services Calvary rides in to save the child, from the child, so to speak.
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Re: The Polygamist thing...
« Reply #132 on: April 29, 2008, 04:36:41 AM »
OH YEA i am sure that is correct but do you think it is 60%
We are talking about a very controlled religious enviourment here, would understand maybe 3-4 in this situation cause things happen in the best of families. What i have a question with now is we never hear
about the young boys say 14-20, i have heard they take them away, to cut down the heing and sheing competion. The women of the group were saying their are 2 girls unaccounted for, one of the women said their were a few girls around 16 that had become pregnant. I guess it all comes down to what you consider right or wrong. This maybe like looking in a fish bowl, every thing is right there and condensed.
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« Reply #133 on: April 29, 2008, 04:41:14 AM »
my guess is that in certain inner-city areas it is at least 60%... but even if it's only 40% you don't see CPS running around with guns drawn to take all the little boys away to "protect them"...
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« Reply #134 on: April 29, 2008, 05:55:29 AM »
i think it is higher than any of us would like to know.   

it is complex for sure, all i am saying is the state should follow the law and we should try to deal with FACTS.  if there is criminal behavior here, i sure would hate to see guilty people walk cause someone took a shortcut.

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« Reply #135 on: April 29, 2008, 06:52:01 AM »
Rex, your sarcasm is noted, I'm not interested in your apologies however. Just a mutual exchange of mis-information and conjecture.
I've never said this situation was right or wrong.  I've never said the state of Texas was right or wrong.  I have only suggested a little patience and less of a rush to judgement based on the "information" of the spin doctors and talking heads. And I have stated my opinion of poorly trained child advocates and advocates and shrinks that have a pre-determined agendas.
What I have said is how the state of Texas is treating those little kids and their mothers is wrong, wrong, wrong. I don't care if they are pagans that howl at the moon that doesn't justify how they are being treated.

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« Reply #136 on: April 29, 2008, 07:14:29 AM »
Thank you VERY, VERY much beeman for all your insite.
no sarcasm intended, i am sorry that  i do  not take the time to be perfectly correct. did not mean to hurt your feelings.
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« Reply #137 on: April 29, 2008, 09:21:48 AM »
I got tired of Monday night football because of all the arm chair quarterbacks . Texas is a big state they will work it out !
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« Reply #138 on: April 29, 2008, 09:38:06 AM »
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« Reply #139 on: April 29, 2008, 10:17:04 PM »
  Dee,     I never said I was an expert. I even stated that I corrected myself.  The Executive branch is Child Protective Services (DFPS), you should know this from Law Enforcement, which is also the Executive Branch. In reference to the Texas Family Code and enforcement of minors, please refer to Chapter 154, all 139 SECTIONS, the entire chapter is child support. As far as my prior post of the link to the statute, it was from Texas Legislature Online. It is updated continuously and the book hard copy reads the same. I never claimed to be a lawyer or any such thing. In regards to Child Support, every child is entitled to it, even the children that have been removed from their families and placed in foster care as in this case.  I very much agree with the actions of the state in regards to them removing the children. You, as a police officer, should know that evidence is seldom leaked to the press until the investigation is concluded to avoid misinformation. My only opinions are the same as anyone's opinions. Hypothetical question....If you received a complaint that a certain vehicle was being driven by an individual that had just bought crack. Call was anonymous and you had a description of the car but no plate. You stop the car that matched the description, your PC is the telephoned tip, and you find no rock but  the guy blew a BAC of .15. Would you arrest the person eventhough the call proved no evidence of the actual complaint?. If later it was discovered that the caller was a person with a grudge against the subject would that change the DWI outcome? Do you think I just reference state statutes on my own free time just to do it?

  I was raised by a state trooper who was raised by a Dallas Detective Sergeant and my partner has 34 years in Law Enforcement(His first TCLEOSE in 1974) You kinda get the law tossed at you at an early age. Why you have this "all knowing" persona about me is perplexing. I have not meant to irritate anyone you. And what is my experience with Child Protective Services? Try raising special needs children and NOT be involved.

  You made the statement in an earlier post that if they were married than "you have nothing" as far as charges. Please send me a link to that statute that says that a marriage is legal with no record of state law being applied. Meaning, foremost, no license.

  Ya' know, I like you, Dee. You may not like me, but you keep guys like us on our toes, and I respect that. Sincerely, thank you for your service as a peace officer for 20 yrs. I mean that. Just tonight my partners wife was called to a high-speed MVA involving a DWI. 4 dead, 3 under the age of nine, and they were burned to death. You guys are respected. My own father still has nightmares from MVA's 20 yrs ago. If you would like to meet for coffee and be friends then I would be happy to buy you a cup. Hopefullly you do. If not, after almost 8 years, I am off Graybeard's permanently. I have never been so insulted in my life, even by felons, that you challenge what I have experienced. I know you guys have too, but you think I sit in an office and just internet things involving law? Because you are an LEO that you have 20yrs experience in as you quote"social services" in an earlier post. Really, then you are a "Experienced Official" on such things? So, if we were on GB 's chat you could come up with an answer for things without delay, since you don't trust "on line sites" and you should know things by heart, right?  I will send Bill  my promised donation but I am so off this site, Mr. Moderator. I joined as a family site but it has turned to a seemingly "I doubt you" site. Not worth it. I'm gone, dude..... This drama is not worth it. You can  reply to my requested answer and I will visit as a guest to view it.

 

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« Reply #140 on: April 30, 2008, 03:11:58 AM »
mohawk.... you have to take things with a grain of salt.  just because someone has a different view or thinks they are the be all end all doesnt mean a fellow should allow himself to be run off.   if everyone who was insulted here left, there wouldnt be anyone around worth talking with. 
      one opinion aint worth any more than another.    dee can be an opinionated for sure, as can i, and as can everyone.   dont let that drive ya off.

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« Reply #141 on: April 30, 2008, 03:26:26 AM »
Texas just released a guy after 25 years of prison for a crime he did not commit . That shows two things - first they make mistakes and 2 - they correct them when they are proved wrong . Not perfect but better than places that won't admit they made a mistake . with that record - they will work out the compound thing in time as best it can be worked out !
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« Reply #142 on: April 30, 2008, 07:27:18 AM »
Mohawk wish you would rethink this, you seem to be a good guy and you make lots of sense.
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« Reply #143 on: April 30, 2008, 07:33:35 AM »
I can't believe anyone with any self respect would allow a poster on a chat room in anyway control them !
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« Reply #144 on: April 30, 2008, 03:58:52 PM »
How about this for abuse. They are saying now nearly 10% of the children have had broken bones. http://news.aol.com/story/_a/officials-say-sect-kids-had-broken-bones/20080428171009990001?icid=1615988631x1201317455x1200303231          Dale
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« Reply #145 on: April 30, 2008, 04:15:37 PM »
As I said earlier, if there is abuse, then its time for the suspect(s) to be prosecuted.
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« Reply #146 on: April 30, 2008, 04:18:30 PM »
T.R.  Please explain your "Masonic based ritual murder" theory to us.

I have been a Mason for well over 540 years, served in almost every office in a lodge, and am totally ignorant of a "Masonic based ritual murder." Can you enlighten us, or is this an example of some of the ignorant ideas non-masons have about the fraternity?  

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« Reply #147 on: April 30, 2008, 04:19:52 PM »
OK, so I exaggerated a bit, I have been a Mason for well over 40 years. ::)

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« Reply #148 on: April 30, 2008, 04:50:04 PM »
T.R.  Please explain your "Masonic based ritual murder" theory to us.

I have been a Mason for well over 540 years, served in almost every office in a lodge, and am totally ignorant of a "Masonic based ritual murder." Can you enlighten us, or is this an example of some of the ignorant ideas non-masons have about the fraternity?  

Being a Mason must have come with special powers including significantly extended life on earth!
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« Reply #149 on: April 30, 2008, 05:42:18 PM »
T.R. I take exception to your statement and sent you a personal message about your misguided thinking?
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