9/11 Conspriracy, NOT.

[PaulS]

The only 9-11 conspiracy that I see is the conspiracy of the Feds to use this terrorist attack to further restrict the rights and privilages of the Citizens of the United States.

All steel buildings and load bearing structures have some kind of fire proofing (insulation or concrete) covering them to avoid the weakening that can occur to a steel beam long before the steel melts. Two beams, one wood and the other steel, rated at any given load: in a fire the wood beam will hold its load longer than the exposed steel beam. It's not rocket science - just physics.

[Cabin4]

I think we need to continue to fan the flames of conspiracy even if there's there's only suspect evidence provided by non-credible and totally biased sources. After all, what the hell would TM7 do all day long? He's finally found something that helps him overcome his ASDD issue. Not to mention its an election year and all this conspires talk about the neocons & Bush planting bombs in the towers seems to play well into the hands of the domestic liberal communist that want to elect Obama so they can start the Marxist movement. So why stop now?

[Cabin4]

I think we need to continue to fan the flames of conspiracy even if there's there's only suspect evidence provided by non-credible and totally biased sources. After all, what the hell would TM7 do all day long? He's finally found something that helps him overcome his ASDD issue. Not to mention its an election year and all this conspires talk about the neocons & Bush planting bombs in the towers seems to play well into the hands of the domestic liberal communist that want to elect Obama so they can start the Marxist movement. So why stop now?

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OKaaaayyyyy...   I see.  This is an example of how official conspiracy proponents, like Cabin, cipher intentions or thoughts of people not sharing their unproven views.....THEY SAY THERE IS A BIG CONSPIRACY PLOT BEHIND THEIR INTENTIONS......go figger that one...

...TM7

TM7,

This post makes no sense. Can I please ask that you refrain from licking the wild mushrooms for a while! Your posts are much more understandable when your not under the immediate influence of a hallucinogenics. Remember, you have a following out there in ciber land and you need to be straight, when posting. Consuming hallucinogens is preperation for "think tank" and brain storming sessions only!

[billy_56081]

Hey TrueMuslim these "reliable" sources you keep talking about on this "conspiracy" stuff aint the same guys with the frozen bigfoot body are they?

[deltecs]

Mr. Layton...I think the blacksmith, Mr. Mitchell, agrees with you, but he is also telling us that the fire from the amount of fuel available were insigificant. BUT for some reason at the wtc we saw melting of large amounts of steel into large pools of liquid steel that took days of watering to cool down. We also saw almost complete dustification of all concrete into the 10 to 100 micron range which is mighty fine dust. We saw evidence of tons of steel members blown clear of the towers for several hundred feet, and we saw evidence of vaporization of steel. On top of this, even if in the remote possibilty of massive steel members just weakening, we saw total symetrical global collapse in mere seconds almost identically in two towers without leaving even any of the inner massive core tube standing. Some of the vertical steel members in the vertical core were 4 foot wide boxed beams made of 4 inch thich steel....47 of them to be exact.  One might therefore conclude:  "Some tremendous energy was applied to these three buildings to accomplish this job."
#7 is always ignored by official conspiracy theorist as well.

..TM7

Well, here it is from the National Institute of Standards and Technology regarding the collapse of Building #7.  So much for conspriracy theorists relating that explosives were used in the downfall of a 47 story building.  So much for any lack of investigation.  So much for any evalution by so called independent experts.  Where is your apology now or do you still maintain the erroneous validity of questionable experts, such as 9/11 Truth?  I'll be waiting, but certainly without bated breath.  My views have now been upheld with supporting documentation, while yours are still conjecture.  I related that I would apologize, if proved wrong.  Will you still contend you are correct and maintain your government conspiracy, in light of new investigative results?  If you do not question your own evaluations, then it is people like you, who the government and populace needs to be aware of.  Somewhat like those, who absolutely refuse to apply logic and strictly use emotion to determine their actions.  Sounds like Obama and Democrats, doesn't it?

Feds: 'Explosives Not Used in Sept. 11 Attack'
Thursday , August 21, 2008



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GAITHERSBURG, MD —

Federal investigators said Thursday they have solved a mystery of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks: the collapse of World Trade Center building 7, a source of long-running conspiracy theories.

The 47-story trapezoid-shaped building sat north of the World Trade Center towers, across Vesey Street in lower Manhattan. On Sept. 11, it was set on fire by falling debris from the burning towers, but skeptics have long argued that fire and debris alone should not have brought down such a big steel-and-concrete structure.

Scientists with the National Institute of Standards and Technology say their three-year investigation of the collapse determined the demise of WTC 7 was actually the first time in the world a fire caused the total failure of a skyscraper.

"The reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery," said Dr. Shyam Sunder, the lead investigator on the NIST team.

Investigators also concluded that the collapse of the nearby towers broke the city water main, leaving the sprinkler system in the bottom half of the building without water.

The building has been the subject of a wide range of conspiracy theories for the last seven years, partly because the collapse occurred about seven hours after the twin towers came down. That fueled suspicion that someone intentionally blew up the building in a controlled demolition.

Critics like Mike Berger of the group 9/11 Truth said he wasn't buying the government's explanation.

"Their explanation simply isn't sufficient. We're being lied to," he said, arguing that there is other evidence suggesting explosives were used on the building.

Sunder said his team investigated the possibility that an explosion inside the building brought it down, but found there was no large boom or other noise that would have occurred with such a detonation. Investigators also created a giant computer model of the collapse, based partly on news footage from CBS News, that they say shows internal column failure brought down the building.

Investigators also ruled out the possibility that the collapse was caused by fires from a substantial amount of diesel fuel that was stored in the building, most of it for generators for the city's emergency operations command center.

The 77-page report concluded that the fatal blow to the building came when the 13th floor collapsed, weakening a critical steel support column that led to catastrophic failure.

"When this critical column buckled due to lack of floor supports, it was the first domino in the chain," said Sunder.

The NIST investigators issued more than a dozen building recommendations as a result of their inquiry, most of which repeat earlier recommendations from their investigation into the collapse of the two large towers.

In both instances, investigators concluded that extreme heat caused some steel beams to lose strength, causing further failures throughout the buildings until the entire structure succumbed.

The recommendations include building skyscrapers with stronger connections and framing systems to resist the effects of thermal expansion, and structural systems designed to prevent damage to one part of a building from spreading to other parts.

A spokeswoman for the leaseholder of the World Trade Center, developer Larry Silverstein, praised the government's work.

"Hopefully this thorough report puts to rest the various 9/11 conspiracy theories, which dishonor the men and women who lost their lives on that terrible day," said Silverstein spokeswoman Dara McQuillen.

In discussing the findings, the investigator Sunder acknowledged that some may still not be convinced, but insisted the science behind their findings is "incredibly conclusive."

"The public should really recognize the science is really behind what we have said," he said, adding: "The obvious stares you in the face."


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[ironglow]

Here's a partial list of terrorist murder acts by Muslims
                   
                                               www.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?t=7028

    Now, if TM will furnish a list 1/10th as long committed by members of any other religion in the same time period, we will be impressed..

[Casull]

the new phenomenon of thermal expansion

Thermal expansion is a "new" phenomenon to you?   

[Cabin4]

New Phenomenon...Thermal Expansion...911 Fysics Lesson...

There was a fire that manifested the new phenomenon of thermal expansion which caused a critical column to fail and turned the other steel into dominoes which fell down inside a house of cards which afterwards fell down because the dominoes were gone.

Is that how it goes?

This should fill psychologist's offices as another phenomenon sweeps the nation:  skyscraperphobia....!

..TM7

How about the concept of an extremely large passenger jet liner pearsing a structure and damaging it to the point of weakness by this alone. Then, add tons of burning jet fuel and the rest of the building contents to cause an extremely high temperature. Then, all this collectively works to bring the structure down.

This seems like a plausible situation based on what we know happened.

[deltecs]

One can pick the NIST report apart piece by ignorant piece, when they do not have the technical or engineering expertise to light a match.  At least an investigation was done on building #7, the results from all the technologists and scientists discovered facts, support a conclusion that was theoretically proposed.  And if one looks close at the article, instead of complete dismissal of any results or conclusions, one would find the NIST clearly stated that this particular destruction has never happened before on a building of this size.  So, obviously there is not one shred of contradictory evidence proposed by any other conclusion, which can be applied with any conviction to refute the NIST conclusions.  Nor has any independent investigation been done with the NIST conclusion, to assert a different outcome with the facts used in the models or suggested any other logical outcome, OTHER THAN PERSONAL SPECULATION, CONJECTURE, DESIRE TO HUMILIATE THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATION, NO PREVIOUS EXAMPLES OF BUILDING COLLAPSE BY FIRE FROM ANY SOURCE, AND TOTAL DISREGARD OF LOGIC REGARDING ACTUAL FACTS AS PRESENTED IN THE NIST REPORT, AND PURE EMOTION DESIRE TO CONVINCE OTHERS OF INTERNAL CONSPIRACY WITHIN OUR GOVERNMENT.  ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THESE PERSONS, IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO ADMIT ERROR OR SUBJECT LOGIC TO THEIR CONCLUSIONS, IMPOSSIBLE FOR RATIONAL THOUGHT WITH RADICAL PRECONCEIVED RESULTS, AND IMPOSSILBE TO HAVE OPEN, HONEST, AND LOGICAL DEBATE WITH THEM.   THESE PEOPLE VOTE, CALL THEMSELVES CONSERVATIVES OR ISOLATIONISTS, ALL THE WHILE ATTEMPTING TO DEMORALIZE THEIR PEERS WITH ABSOLUTE FALSEHOODS AND ERRONEOUS FACTS, SUBSTANTIATED BY QUESTIONABLE, PERSONAL CONVICTION, EMOTIONAL DECISIONS ARRIVING AT A PRECONCEIVED CONCLUSION, AND LACKING COMPLETE CREDIBILITY.  So much for honor and integrity.

[Cabin4]

I think we should disregard the NIST and any other similar reports completed by unbiased and technically qualified sources. We are much better served by believing reports and information from biased and unqualified sources. You always find the truth when you toss the facts aside and purely focus on a politically biased agenda.

[billy_56081]

TrueMuslim7 was that you in the picture with that "bigfoot" in the cooler? Your six year old "conspracy theories" fall into the same category as bigfoot, chup cabra and the boogie man.

[ironglow]

 
   I should like to ask TM if he Wants to buy a Cock & Bull story..but that would be pointless; he already gets more Cock & Bull stories than he can handle ...
...And he gets them for free !

[Casull]

You act and sound like governments are perfectly honest and simply don't lie or do bad things.

You act and sound like anti-government wackos and conspiracy nuts are perfectly honest and simply don't lie or do bad things.

History proves you incorrect.

 

[billy_56081]

"You act like anyone and everyone investigating illegal activities and plots of governments is an anti-gov and conspiracy whacko"

Yeah that, or they are just plain dumb!

 TrueMuslim7 why don't you post more of your links from sources that are obvious lies? I remember in one of your threads you started YOU posted as fact that Putin said, that AMerican nuclear missile had never been in Europe before and that a missile defence system, was a nuclear weapon. Both lies. I understand that you shield yourself from being called a liar by posting stories from other liars. But to me it puts you and your ilk in the same boat. Go ahead and keep posting your BS, you are a master of putting enough facts in a completly false story to make it sound true. I'm sure your Nazi friends and cohorts love you as a propagandist.

[deltecs]

Slow down, posters.  NO PERSONAL ATTACKS WILL BE TOLERATED ON SUBJECTS THAT I MODERATE ACCORDING TO GBO POLICY.  I'm letting these posts stay as an example of what not to post.  I respectfully request all posters to remember GBO policcy.

[phalanx]

After 9/11 how can people even consider giveing this man Obama the time of day?
Remember when you first woke up and saw those images on TV ?
Then you heard the Pentagon also had been hit.
Everyone was saying we were under attack and were now at War.
Like me did you think ( OMG ,its another Pearl Harbor ) ?
What would have been the reaction to you if you just stood there and said ( Yes ,and in 7 years we will be electing a Muslim to be the President ) ?
If you could show, that this were the case ,not only would the people of 9/11/01 think we had been attacked ,but that the attackers had won the war.
57 States was what i heard him say he will visit and campaign in.
Arent their 57 States of Islam ?
A little accident, Huh Barry , you were just tired, and you continue to make little tired accidents don't you ?