Author Topic: Muslim call to adopt Mecca time (Read 9177 times)

ms · « **on:** April 22, 2008, 01:43:45 PM »

Muslim call to adopt Mecca time
By Magdi Abdelhadi
BBC Arab affairs analyst

One cleric said science had proved Mecca to be the centre of the Earth

Muslim scientists and clerics have called for the adoption of Mecca time to replace GMT, arguing that the Saudi city is the true centre of the Earth.

Mecca is the direction all Muslims face when they perform their daily prayers.

The call was issued at a conference held in the Gulf state of Qatar under the title: Mecca, the Centre of the Earth, Theory and Practice.

One geologist argued that unlike other longitudes, Mecca's was in perfect alignment to magnetic north.

He said the English had imposed GMT on the rest of the world by force when Britain was a big colonial power, and it was about time that changed.

Mecca watch

A prominent cleric, Sheikh Youssef al-Qaradawy, said modern science had at last provided evidence that Mecca was the true centre of the Earth; proof, he said, of the greatness of the Muslim "qibla" - the Arabic word for the direction Muslims turn to when they pray.

The meeting also reviewed what has been described as a Mecca watch, the brainchild of a French Muslim.

The watch is said to rotate anti-clockwise and is supposed to help Muslims determine the direction of Mecca from any point on Earth.

The meeting in Qatar is part of a popular trend in some Muslim societies of seeking to find Koranic precedents for modern science.

It is called "Ijaz al-Koran", which roughly translates as the "miraculous nature of the holy text".

The underlying belief is that scientific truths were also revealed in the Muslim holy book, and it is the work of scholars to unearth and publicise the textual evidence.

But the movement is not without its critics, who say that the notion that modern science was revealed in the Koran confuses spiritual truth, which is constant, and empirical truth, which depends on the state of science at any given point in time.

powderman · « **Reply #1 on:** April 22, 2008, 03:40:33 PM »

WOW, tm. How much did your new mecca watch cost?

I know you'll love it, it goes backwards, just like you.

nomosendero · « **Reply #2 on:** April 22, 2008, 05:43:27 PM »

So if we blow up Mecca, time will stop for them, OK.

powderman · « **Reply #3 on:** April 23, 2008, 03:25:50 AM »

If, or when, the Godless ones detonate a nuke anywhere in the free world, mecca should be the first target. POWDERMAN.

ms · « **Reply #4 on:** April 23, 2008, 05:20:25 AM »

How much for mecca watch?

crustaceous · « **Reply #5 on:** April 23, 2008, 10:36:00 AM »

"Livin' on Mecca time"- sounds like a country song in the making

powderman · « **Reply #6 on:** April 23, 2008, 02:45:18 PM »

Quote from: ms on April 23, 2008, 05:20:25 AM

How much for mecca watch?

Ask tm7, I'm sure he has one. POWDERMAN.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #7 on:** April 23, 2008, 03:15:24 PM »

TM7 is going to corner the market on Mecca watches. When Barak Hussein Obama gets elected him and old TM are gonna conspire to corner the market on them.

Matt · « **Reply #8 on:** April 23, 2008, 06:23:20 PM »

To my knowledge TM7 is a Ron Paul Supporter not an Obama supporter.... your ignorance must prevent you from making an intelligent insult on the man...

I for one think that if we were to put the choking hazards back on the toys the world would be a much nicer place...

Matt

nomosendero · « **Reply #9 on:** April 23, 2008, 06:42:30 PM »

Quote from: crustaceous on April 23, 2008, 10:36:00 AM

"Livin' on Mecca time"- sounds like a country song in the making

Yep, now if we could fold Don William's hat into a turban.

deltecs · « **Reply #10 on:** April 24, 2008, 01:44:56 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on April 24, 2008, 01:56:25 AM

Yeah....I am a RP supporter and will write him if possible, absolutely will not vote for the CFR war party radical zio one worlder global candidates. As far as I know many of the ME countries have always been on Mecca time and Mohammed calendar....just as many Buddhist counties do same as per Buddha. Primarily as a courtesy to airlines they adopted Greenwich time, but are they ready to scrap that entirely?...Don't know...

...TM7

Once again, this comment needs clarification instead of editorializing. The adoption of Greenwich time is not as a courtesy to airlines. Greenwich mean time was adopted for navigation and to determine latitude and longitudinal grids for definitive site locations, primarily on the high seas. As to any courtesy to airlines, by International Treaty, all International flights into any country must speak English and use GMT for the SAFETY OF THE PASSENGERS, not to satisfy the whims of any countries vanity.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #11 on:** April 25, 2008, 02:08:01 AM »

They don't need a sextant they only go in one direction OPPOSITE THE REST OF THE WORLD ! and they don't go fast as they still live like they did 2000 years ago . well all but the ones in power they live a special life !
one with all the stuff the others aren't suppose to do .

nomosendero · « **Reply #12 on:** April 25, 2008, 02:13:04 AM »

I am not sure what Ron Paul has to do with Mecca time other than off timing for both.

Matt · « **Reply #13 on:** April 25, 2008, 08:16:37 AM »

Quote from: nomosendero on April 25, 2008, 02:13:04 AM

I am not sure what Ron Paul has to do with Mecca time other than off timing for both.

If you read from the top down you will see how RP came into and then went right back out of the topic... Now you bring him in...

Matt

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #14 on:** April 25, 2008, 08:21:25 AM »

he must be drumming up votes !

deltecs · « **Reply #15 on:** April 25, 2008, 10:27:20 AM »

Once again it was not a courtesy to airlines. The best marine charts in the world were written and charted by British mariners for over a hundred years. Without a fixed reference time point, there was no way to determine longitude for the marine fix. This happened way before the invention of the airplane. Once a time reference was established and longitude thereof, surveying the oceans became relatively accurate. The same process was used on land for property surveys on private ownership. The piece of land that I currently own and live on, was oringinally surveyed using celestial navigation. The USGS benchmark was placed in 1931, prior to any other reference points as being unable to be accessed. The longitude was estasblished by using GMT and determination of longitude from it. It was re surveyed in 1993 by the US Forest Service and found to be .1' error using the best surveying techniques available today. The muslims did not marine survey the oceans and so used British marine charts to determine high seas position. So why do they want to change the time now. Do they have better marine charting, better grid location system, or better technology to more accurately determine position? I don't think so. If they did, they would be using cell phones made in Iran, instead of buying them on the world market. If they want to live in the world market, they had better comply with the world standards of measurement and time. If they don't, then cut off all world market supplies to them and see how well they do on their own.

nomosendero · « **Reply #16 on:** April 25, 2008, 03:52:36 PM »

Quote from: Matt on April 25, 2008, 08:16:37 AM

Quote from: nomosendero on April 25, 2008, 02:13:04 AM
I am not sure what Ron Paul has to do with Mecca time other than off timing for both.

If you read from the top down you will see how RP came into and then went right back out of the topic... Now you bring him in...

Matt

I read it, fun stuff. I guess the idea was was supposd to be that no one can have a wacky idea if they are a RP supporter.

nomosendero · « **Reply #17 on:** April 25, 2008, 03:56:26 PM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on April 25, 2008, 08:21:25 AM

he must be drumming up votes !

Bad guess, I was for Duncan Hunter 1st & Tancredo second, I am for no one now, just against the Socialist Demoncraps the most as always.

nomosendero · « **Reply #18 on:** April 26, 2008, 01:19:31 AM »

Yea, the Vikings sailed alot also & they didn't care about that stuff at all & who could argue with their fashion.

It really doesn't matter how advanced the ragheads were relative to others in the past, other civilizations were too in other ways, but have
been left behind , no diff. than the ragheads.

I don't care if the Muzzies want mecca time, they can't set the tone or the time for us anyway.

deltecs · « **Reply #19 on:** April 26, 2008, 06:31:50 AM »

The Arabs did not sail the worlds oceans. I must disagree with that statement. It was the Phoenicians, who sailed the Mediterranean and Indian Ocean, not the worlds oceans. If one was to use any time for sailing the worlds oceans, it would be the Polyponesians in their outrigger canoes. The post was about Mecca time as the worlds standard for time measurement. The Arabs in modern world history have accomplished nothing of note, except terrorism to justify this change. By talking about Arab past history as accomplishments, indicates just how far down the evolutionary ladder their society, due religious influence has led them. For every single, modern, in the last 150 years, invention, medical procedure, literary, or any other endeavor of man, I'll show you at least 10 more from Democratic and Western societies or governments, for every single accomplishment you name. The only thing the Arabs have that much of the world does not is oil, and that is an accident of location, just as it is in Alaska or Venezuela. So why then, should the rest of the world now start using Mecca as the mean time? I believe you look at both sides so much, that you've lost your common sense. My replies just respond to your errors and editorilizing of others posts and your misconceptions, about how the real world actually is. Everyone has the right to express their opinion, but everyone else, also has the right not to believe in ridiculous and erroneous statements, especially from one obviously well educated.

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It really doesn't matter how advanced the ragheads were relative to others in the past, other civilizations were too in other ways, but have
been left behind , no diff. than the ragheads.

Yep,,,exactly,,,who cares. Seafarers and travelers had their own systems,,,all interesting to study in the course of culture and anthropology.

....TM7
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billy_56081 · « **Reply #20 on:** April 26, 2008, 07:10:16 AM »

"I believe you look at both sides so much, that you've lost your common sense."

Just goes to show you Ron White is correct! Although I'm sure there was no common sense available ever to some individuals. Many of these people try to make up for their lack of common sense by getting alot of education. But as Ron White said, "you can't fix stupid".

Muslims are just trying to force their sick cult on the rest of the world. Sad thing is that there are many many people in this world too stupid to see it.

zombiewolf · « **Reply #21 on:** April 26, 2008, 10:38:55 AM »

Deltecs, you seem to want to assert that the Arabs have contributed nothing to civilization at large.

Did you know that the Arabs not only invented "0" (the number zero),and hence, Algebra,
but also, our own alphabet and written numbers system is based on Arabic?

deltecs · « **Reply #22 on:** April 26, 2008, 11:41:09 AM »

Quote from: zombiewolf on April 26, 2008, 10:38:55 AM

Deltecs, you seem to want to assert that the Arabs have contributed nothing to civilization at large.

Did you know that the Arabs not only invented "0" (the number zero),and hence, Algebra,
but also, our own alphabet and written numbers system is based on Arabic?

I beg to differ. I said that the Arabs have contributed nothing of importance compared to Western civilization for the last 150 years. And before you get to the value of "0", I suggest you do more reading and research. The value of "0" and more importantly, the square root of "2", was a Greek secret for many years after the downfall of the Greek empire. I agree that Western civilization use the alphabet, which was derived by Arabs. The term Algebra is derived from the Arabic alphabet, but it was the Greeks, again, who put its use to practical application with the magic of squares and the pentagon.

ironglow · « **Reply #23 on:** April 26, 2008, 12:15:22 PM »

Yeah, the Arabs invented "0"..Zero...

Their mistake was that they neglected to apply it to the 7th century camel jockey..that took them for a ride..without his camel...

zombiewolf · « **Reply #24 on:** April 26, 2008, 05:53:17 PM »

For me to lay out documentation of these FACTS, would take up too much space here.

If your really interested, here's a great documentary on the subject.
Not just a dry documentary, plenty of comedy from the host and narrator, Terry Jones from Monty Python!

http://www.videosift.com/video/The-Story-Of-One-Terry-Jones-BBC-number-documentary-5904

deltecs · « **Reply #25 on:** April 26, 2008, 06:19:55 PM »

Quote from: zombiewolf on April 26, 2008, 05:53:17 PM

For me to lay out documentation of these FACTS, would take up too much space here.

If your really interested, here's a great documentary on the subject.
Not just a dry documentary, plenty of comedy from the host and narrator, Terry Jones from Monty Python!

http://www.videosift.com/video/The-Story-Of-One-Terry-Jones-BBC-number-documentary-5904

Further research indicates my previous post on who invented "0" is not accurate. It seems that the Babylonians about 1600 BC, used a type of algebra to determine quadraditic equations, but had no zero. Euclid's treatise on geometric algebra about 300 BC, was one of the first to use theorums as a basis for the unknown factors around a zero value. This continues with the Greek mathematician Diophantus circa 250 AD, and this type of algebra was the basis for Archimedes, Ptolomy, and Heron. Hindu algebra dates from about 800 B.C., but became significant only after influenced by Greek achievements. Most Hindu mathematics was motivated by astronomy and astrology. A base ten, positional notation system was standard by 600 A.D. They treated zero as a number and discussed operations involving this number. http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~sxw8045/history.htm Like the Hindus, the Arabs worked freely with irrationals. However they took a backward step in rejecting negative numbers in spite of having learned of them from the Hindus.
Peacock (British, 1791-1858) was the founder of axiomatic thinking in arithmetic and algebra. For this reason he is sometimes called the "Euclid of Algebra."
Although, my previous posts were not completely accurate, I must correct them for other readers. However, after much research on the history of algebra, it seems that no one civilization can take credit for its history. Algebra was a work in progress, and it seems many different civilizations either improved on the concept or contributed some major stepping stone in its developement. The primary developers were Hindus and Greeks having the major impact on theorums and the concept of zero.
Just because the Arabs lay claim to the term Algebra certainly does not mean Mecca shoud be the mean time meridian.

zombiewolf · « **Reply #26 on:** April 26, 2008, 07:27:19 PM »

After rewatching the documentary, I'm quite embarassed to admit that I remembered wrong.
It was not the arabs , but Hindi mathmatitions that invented zero, in about 500 AD.

My apologies to Hindi mathmatitions and number historians everywhere.

However, algebra was indeed invented by moslem mathmatitions.

I had also forgotten just how entertaining this film was.

Please give it look, if you have time.

p.s. I am in no way trying to make a case defending "mecca time".History is just fun!

zombiewolf · « **Reply #27 on:** April 26, 2008, 09:51:48 PM »

Oh, yea

Thanks Deltec, for your dedicated research on this.

A lot of history is hard to be certain about, depending on who's version of it you get.

Remember, history is written by the winners!

ironglow · « **Reply #28 on:** April 28, 2008, 03:08:36 AM »

...And with all that "intellectual history", why are they such "beheading barbarians" today..

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #29 on:** April 28, 2008, 04:10:13 AM »

Gee its our fault they do what they do !
Thanks for clearing that up for me !
That has to be the biggest batch of B.S. i have ever read !
I always felt it was us that kept them at bay ! But then i take them at their word and I never try to put spin on their statements . If they say they are going to kill all Americans then that's what i hear no more no less !
Guess i just like to keep it simple !