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Re: Muslim call to adopt Mecca time
« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2008, 04:37:06 AM »
  Yes Shootall;
    We should "take them at their word"..when their "holy faith" has "taqiyya" as one of it's tenets ! That doctrine makes it  completely permissible to lie to "infidels"...

  Just as Saddam (the other Hussein) & Syria did about WMD efforts..and just as "Imadinnerjacket" of Iran is doing now !
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« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2008, 05:20:51 AM »
Maybe if Obama gets elected he can sit down and talk with them and kiss their collective butt and then everything will be OK. We will hug and make up and they won't want to kill us anymore. Yeah, right.

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« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2008, 06:56:47 AM »
First they are not children
second they wish to take over the world , have tried more than once . And yes the same could be said of Christianity for sure , I chose sides and will not apologize for it .
its a good vs. evil .
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Re: Muslim call to adopt Mecca time
« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2008, 08:42:39 AM »
Right on ironglow and shootall, I love that theory of, if we will be good to them and maybe give them some
ice cream they will like us and rewrite the kornran. and will stay on their side of the sandhill, and not
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LETS NUKE MECCA NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2008, 09:15:32 AM »
can't figure out why that's not what happened after 9-11 , why waste Americas best youngh people when we have so much tech.
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« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2008, 12:00:49 PM »
  ANyone who cannot see the muslims for what they are , an evil cancerous cult. Is either completely without intelligence, or so caught up in their Nazi hatred of the Jews. Islam is NOT tolerant of anything other than being completely subjugated to Islam. They WILL use others tolerance to undermine and infiltrate. After seeing some of the posts on here I completly understand why they have to put warning on lawn mowers about not reaching under the deck while running. Obviously the lawyers have dumbed down AMericans enough, that if we keep letting these people survive to breeding age we will soon have a country full of complete morons.
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« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2008, 01:49:47 PM »
I believe we should pool our money and buy tm7 a 1 way ticket to gaza. He could be a peacemaker of sorts, kinda like jimmy carter. He could curse America and Israel to the applause of his friends and allies. Shucks, they might even let him fire a rocket or 2 at Israel. POWDERMAN.  ;) ;)
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Re: Muslim call to adopt Mecca time
« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2008, 02:23:31 PM »
can't figure out why that's not what happened after 9-11 , why waste Americas best youngh people when we have so much tech.

Its been my view that if we were willing to go to war, than we should have just opted for tactical air strikes, volunteer special forces hits, and CIA sponsored wet work.  At worst, we would have ended with the same bad PR, and a lot less dead.

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« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2008, 02:37:37 PM »
I have a question for you guys: (billy, shootall, powderman, etc)

Do you believe that the actions of the United States, such as the installation and support of dictators who kill and oppress their own people, are at least partially responsible for the Muslim hatred of (and thus, terrorism against) the United States?

If not, why do you believe we were justified in denying these people the right of self determination, and why do you believe they are not justified in their anger over those actions?

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Re: Muslim call to adopt Mecca time
« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2008, 02:58:55 PM »
"Do you believe that the actions of the United States, such as the installation and support of dictators who kill and oppress their own people, are at least partially responsible for the Muslim hatred of (and thus, terrorism against) the United States?"

  Nope. Islam has instilled hatred and intolerance right from the beginning when the Old caravan robbing, murdering, child molesting, false prophet Mohammed invented this cult. Mohammed invented this cult to control people in his land and these filthy vermin are still falling for it. Kevin why don't you go to Saudi and take your wife and daughter with. Let them walk around like they do here band see what happens to them. Let these "peaceful" muslims beat the he!! out of em with thier little whips.  Bring your bible there and preach the gospel to them see how long you last? They will either imprison you or kill you. They are intolerant of anything not mslim. It doesn't matter what anyone has done to them or not done to them. If you aint one of them they are gonna kill you. Plain and simple. They HATE you. They have no problem pretending to be a friend of a non muslim as long as it will give them an advantage. They will lie and deceive. Obviously you cannot see the BIG picture. They want to take over the world. Anyone who cannot see that is a complete fool. I hate the muslims only in the same way I hate cancer. They are a disease, and if left unchecked this disease is terminal. Would it not be right to hate the Nazi's?

  They have hatred of, (and thus terrorism against) the United State because they see America as the greatest threat to their plans. Islam fears freedom, America represents freedom to its greatest extent in the world. 

   If you cannot see what a danger Islam is to the world, I can now completly understand why they have to put a warnng on a lawn mower to keep your fingers out of the blades!
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Re: Muslim call to adopt Mecca time
« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2008, 03:19:23 PM »
I have a question for you guys: (billy, shootall, powderman, etc)

Do you believe that the actions of the United States, such as the installation and support of dictators who kill and oppress their own people, are at least partially responsible for the Muslim hatred of (and thus, terrorism against) the United States?

If not, why do you believe we were justified in denying these people the right of self determination, and why do you believe they are not justified in their anger over those actions?

I need more information on what roles France and Spain have played in the prohibition of the self determination of Muslim states to warrant terrorists attacks in those countries, before I can give an educated response.

I would also be inclined to weigh the degree of prohibition of self determination to the degree of terrorists attacks.

I believe I would have to include England and Austrailia at that point.

Likewise, the nationality of all Christian missionaries that have been kidnapped, tortured and killed in all muslim states, including pre iraq war, and the sum total of those countries of origin to the degree of prohibition of self determination and their acts prior to Iraq to warrant such anger.



Let me ask you a hypothetical question,

If it can be said that Islamic scholars are capable of determining the seperation between true Christianity and the current position of the U.S. Government, are Muslims justified in killing innocent Americans? (French, Spaniards, English, Aussies, each other?)

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Re: Muslim call to adopt Mecca time
« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2008, 03:51:01 PM »
Ah, billy, do surely don't disappoint.

  Nope. Islam has instilled hatred and intolerance right from the beginning when the Old caravan robbing, murdering, child molesting, false prophet Mohammed invented this cult. Mohammed invented this cult to control people in his land and these filthy vermin are still falling for it.
For five centuries, while the west was in the throes of the dark ages, the Muslim world was the center of learning and tolerance.  I'll bet you didn't know that the Byzantine Empire (Orthodox Christians) banned Jews from Jerusalem.  When the Arabs took the city from the Byzantines, Jews were allowed in.

When the Crusades first took Jerusalem in 1099, they put everyone in the city to the sword, including Muslims, Jews, and Christians.

When Saladin retook the city in 1187, he allowed the defenders to surrender without a bloodbath.


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Kevin why don't you go to Saudi and take your wife and daughter with. Let them walk around like they do here band see what happens to them. Let these "peaceful" muslims beat the he!! out of em with thier little whips.
I don't care for religious fanatics of any variety, so I think I'll pass.

We support the Saudi royal family with weapons and we buy their oil.  15 of the 9-11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.  It's a hell-hole and obviously a source of terrorism, yet I don't hear you screaming for an invasion of them. 

The bottom line is that they are pissed off at us, and it's not just because they hate freedom or because they're somehow jealous of us.  They don't like being pushed around, and we've been pushing them around for a half century.


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Bring your bible there and preach the gospel to them see how long you last? They will either imprison you or kill you.
I'm not Christian, so why would I preach the gospel to them?  I don't care how or who they worship.

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They are intolerant of anything not mslim. It doesn't matter what anyone has done to them or not done to them. If you aint one of them they are gonna kill you. Plain and simple. They HATE you.
You're generalizing.  There are indeed some who think this way.  There are also a couple million of them living in the United States at this very moment, the vast majority of them living out their lives peacefully and without incident. 


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Obviously you cannot see the BIG picture.
You know billy, that's mighty funny.  I feel the same way about you.

We will never have peace with the Muslim world as long as we continue to drop bombs on them.  Peace has to start somewhere, and someone has to start it.

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Would it not be right to hate the Nazi's?
I forget who coined the phrase, but it goes something along the lines of "When fighting monsters, one must take care that they do not themselves become a monster." 

I think it is better to fight evil because it is evil, not because you hate.  Hatred in it's self is evil, because it is blind.  Keep your eyes open and fight wrong with right.


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  They have hatred of, (and thus terrorism against) the United State because they see America as the greatest threat to their plans. Islam fears freedom, America represents freedom to its greatest extent in the world. 
How can you say we represent freedom to the world, when we do not seek to promote freedom when it interferes with our own plans.  We prop up a dictatorship in Pakistan, and in the past we supported autocratic regimes in Iraq and Iran.  We may espouse freedom, but we do not promote it abroad when it is inconvenient for us.

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If you cannot see what a danger Islam is to the world, I can now completly understand why they have to put a warnng on a lawn mower to keep your fingers out of the blades!
I see religious conflict as a clear danger.  Islam it's self is not much different than Christianity.  Both religions have been used as an excuse to bring violence and oppression upon other human beings.

The real danger is that some of us seem unable to comprehend the fact that every action has consequences; our continued presence in the mid-east is the reason they hate us.  That doesn't make what they do right, but it clearly is the reason.

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Re: Muslim call to adopt Mecca time
« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2008, 03:52:09 PM »
I have a question for you guys: (billy, shootall, powderman, etc)

Do you believe that the actions of the United States, such as the installation and support of dictators who kill and oppress their own people, are at least partially responsible for the Muslim hatred of (and thus, terrorism against) the United States?

If not, why do you believe we were justified in denying these people the right of self determination, and why do you believe they are not justified in their anger over those actions?

I need more information on what roles France and Spain have played in the prohibition of the self determination of Muslim states to warrant terrorists attacks in those countries, before I can give an educated response.

I would also be inclined to weigh the degree of prohibition of self determination to the degree of terrorists attacks.

I believe I would have to include England and Austrailia at that point.

Likewise, the nationality of all Christian missionaries that have been kidnapped, tortured and killed in all muslim states, including pre iraq war, and the sum total of those countries of origin to the degree of prohibition of self determination and their acts prior to Iraq to warrant such anger.



Let me ask you a hypothetical question,

If it can be said that Islamic scholars are capable of determining the seperation between true Christianity and the current position of the U.S. Government, are Muslims justified in killing innocent Americans? (French, Spaniards, English, Aussies, each other?)

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Re: Muslim call to adopt Mecca time
« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2008, 04:20:58 PM »
"When Saladin retook the city in 1187, he allowed the defenders to surrender without a bloodbath"

Even The Knights of the Temple mount?




"We support the Saudi royal family with weapons and we buy their oil.  15 of the 9-11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia.  It's a hell-hole and obviously a source of terrorism, yet I don't hear you screaming for an invasion of them."


Obviously you have missed some of my other posts.



"I'm not Christian, so why would I preach the gospel to them?  I don't care how or who they worship."


Go there and tell them that, that is if you are not muslim. You will receive similar treatment.



"There are also a couple million of them living in the United States at this very moment, the vast majority of them living out their lives peacefully and without incident"


Again refer to my statement about warnings keeping you from  putting your fingers in a running lawn mower. They are waiting.



"I forget who coined the phrase, but it goes something along the lines of "When fighting monsters, one must take care that they do not themselves become a monster." 

I think it is better to fight evil because it is evil, not because you hate.  Hatred in it's self is evil, because it is blind.  Keep your eyes open and fight wrong with right."


More liberal gobbeldy gook. A great sound bite but obviously from someone who has never served in a war.



"The real danger is that some of us seem unable to comprehend the fact that every action has consequences; our continued presence in the mid-east is the reason they hate us.  That doesn't make what they do right, but it clearly is the reason"


Exactly my point. The consequences of allowing muslims in this world will be total domination of the world by them.


It's just so simple, open your eyes and you will see. Muslim = Bad. America = Good. We'll start simple for the people who need the warnings on the lawn mowers.
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« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2008, 05:02:22 PM »
BILLY. Good post.
kev. You cannot negotiate with the Godless ones, any of them. They are taught to lie to us from birth. POWDERMAN.  ??? ???
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« Reply #45 on: April 28, 2008, 05:07:20 PM »
  I see no reason we should consider those Muslim fanatics as any different than Nazis..or the most hateful KGB operatives in the old Soviet Union.
    It seems that almost every evil, bloodthirsty gang that come down the highway of history, has an automatic, diabolical hatred of Jews.
   From ancient Babylon, Assyria, the tyrannical Roman emperors, certain misled branches of Christendom, the Nazis and Communists all carried the
   same grudge that these brutal headchoppers carry !
   Anybody with a basic knowledge of the Biblical Scriptures, knows full well why this is true and just who their REAL BOSS is...

        Here's a word to the wise..all those past protagonists of the Jews are history...Israel and the Jews is still going strong !


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« Reply #46 on: April 29, 2008, 02:19:31 AM »
KEVTHEBASSMAN, we supported who we did to get into a region and protect our interest . The fact that the other leaders in the region ( not supported by us and trying to destroy us ) were doing the same thing to their people seems to have little bearing in your mind . Or the fact that the leaders had treated their subjects the same way for years before we came you neglect to admit . Did it occure that in some cases we helped a little at a time to open the eyes of people in that part of the world to a better way ? I doubt you see that as it leaves little room to critise the greatest country on earth .
What pi--es me off the most is people call themselves Americans then seek fault in America from the comfort of a free lifestyle .
"We must always hope to be right in our affairs with other countries/peoples but right or wrong we are still Americans ! "
I can't remember who said that but it makes good policy !
And as for your ? no i believe the muslims would have come to war with the west if we had never set foot in their land , THEY BELIEVE ITS THEIR DESTINY AND GOD GIVEN RIGHT !
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« Reply #47 on: April 29, 2008, 03:27:31 AM »
IRONGLOW. There ya go making sense again. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
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« Reply #48 on: April 29, 2008, 03:34:07 PM »
  Kev. Be careful of the wolf in sheeps clothing. Our friend TM7 here comes and spews anti semetic hatred that Hitler would be proud of, then he tries to turn it around  by calling others hate mongers and Nazi's. I think TM is the Reverend Wright of GBO. He spews hatred of Jews and Israel then turns it around to appear to be on the victims side.

  Hitler was a great orator, don't fall for TM7's Nazi drivel like so many Germans did in WW2. We need to focus our anger toward the greatest evil the world has ever faced. Islam!
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« Reply #49 on: April 29, 2008, 04:33:47 PM »
BILLY. YEP. Agreed Sir. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #50 on: April 29, 2008, 05:36:53 PM »
Let me get this straight if we are nice to these folks they will be nice to us.
Are these the same nice folks who flew planes full of innocent folks into the towers and killed 1000s of other innocent folks in the process?
Are these the same nice folks who have beheaded folks who done no harm to them?
You say there are good Muslim folks who mean us no harm. Do these good Muslims read a different Koran than the bad Muslims?
You know the one that tells them to kill all infidels. Are these good Muslim folks just Sunday morning Muslims that love the infidel ?
TM7 you don't sound like stupid person you are obviously well educated and articulate. That leaves me with one conclusion.
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« Reply #51 on: April 29, 2008, 05:47:40 PM »
You guys really are a hoot, I love these debates.

This is a free country and you're entitled to your opinions, however misguided we perceive one another to be.

I will say this though, as long as we continue to sow the seeds of war, we will reap a grim harvest.  We cannot kill everyone in the mid-east plus all of the Muslims in the rest of the world, and come out as the same nation, I hope we can at least agree on that much.

Furthermore, we cannot keep up our policy of invasion and attempted nation building.  The economic cost of our current war is enormous, and five years after the invasion Iraq would still fall into utter chaos if we were to pack up and leave and cease supporting them with the money we're borrowing from China.  They tell us that we've got Al Qaeda in Iraq on the ropes, and that appears to be true, and it's a very good thing.  The problem, however is that Al Qaeda can bounce back with money given to them by friendly governments and wealthy benefactors.  Recruiting impressionable youths for suicide missions is the easy part.

There are no easy solutions.  If we leave Iraq right now, the chaos will mean that the most brutal people will come out on top, and that isn't something we can afford as long as we're dependent on oil from the mid-east.  On the flip side, we will not be able to afford the economic and political costs of the Iraq war for much longer. 

The economic cost of draining trillions of dollars from our economy and pouring it into a foreign land is just starting to catch up to us, and every one of the 300 or so million people living in this nation owes about $30,000 not counting interest.

The political costs are tolerable at the moment, but a new round of violence could change that quickly and turn the war into a political hot potato that nobody wants to be left holding.

I need more information on what roles France and Spain have played in the prohibition of the self determination of Muslim states to warrant terrorists attacks in those countries, before I can give an educated response.
Spain did very little to deserve the attacks they suffered.  At one point they had 1,300 troops in Iraq, but I think the whole point of what I'm trying to say is that all of this violence is the product of fanaticism and a lack of respect for human life. 

I'm sure that sick-minded fanatics out there (on both sides) think it is perfectly justifiable to kill hundreds (or even more) of innocent people because of the actions of a nation's government.  They justify this to themselves by claiming that the people of that nation are guilty simply because they happen to reside in that area.

I can think of very few situations where it is justifiable to take a human life.  Bombing a train station because a nation's government had troops stationed overseas is not justifiable by any stretch of the imagination.  I can see how these people justify it to themselves, but that does not mean that I find it anything but barbaric.

As for France, their hands are a bit dirtier than those of Spain.  The French were instrumental in the building of Israel's nuclear program.  The French also supplied the Israelis with Mirage jets.  Again, you can think whatever you want about those actions, but to fanatical Muslims who consider themselves to be at war with Israel, those are grounds for war.  Again, acknowledging this doesn't mean that I hate America, or that I hate Jews, or that I think they were right to do with they did.  It just means that I am able to put 2 and 2 together.



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Let me ask you a hypothetical question,

If it can be said that Islamic scholars are capable of determining the seperation between true Christianity and the current position of the U.S. Government, are Muslims justified in killing innocent Americans? (French, Spaniards, English, Aussies, each other?)
Since it's getting late, I'll get down to answering your question.

My answer is a resounding no!  No state, organization, or person is justified in carrying out violence against wholly uninvolved and innocent people.  Even people such as Billy, who advocate the killing of millions of human beings, are ultimately innocent, just as the people who danced in the streets after 9-11 are innocent of everything but ignorance.

Just as we did the Muslims (and other people of the world) a great injustice when we denied them the ability to pick their own government, they do a great misdeed by killing innocent civilians.  In the end, we're both wrong.

Of course, I find the idea of killing in the name of God or government repulsive and nauseating to begin with, so I may be a bit opinionated on the matter.

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Do these good Muslims read a different Koran than the bad Muslims?
Does Rev. Jeremiah Wright read a different bible than Pat Robertson?  And do they both read a different bible than Fred Phelps? 

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« Reply #52 on: April 29, 2008, 06:13:00 PM »
Touche ;)
 
I agree with you we need to handle our foreign affairs much differently. I have no wish to annihilate the Muslims. But you will have to pardon me if when I reach out to pet one them rabid rascals I have my gun in the other hand. You know like Teddy Roosevelt Speak softly and carry a big stick.
The problem is that speak softly and carry a big stick thing works for a while. but if you don't whack someone with that stick every so often they start thinking it's your crutch.

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« Reply #53 on: April 30, 2008, 02:41:21 AM »
KEVTHEBASSMAN , So after years of conflict how do you see it ending ?
This is a conflict that has out lived generation after generation , it involves not only this life on earth but where we go when we die , both sides feel they have a responsiblity to convert all people to their way of thinking . We have been doomed to conflict since man was run from the garden . This has shaped the world for almost 2000 years . I don't think the policy of the USA has had as much effect as some / you would like to believe . The USA is more sympton than cause !
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Re: Muslim call to adopt Mecca time
« Reply #54 on: April 30, 2008, 03:34:30 AM »
BILLY. Ol tm sure likes them $10 words don't he?????? Educated doesn't always men smart, and ya can't teach common sense.  POWDERMAN.  :D :D
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« Reply #55 on: April 30, 2008, 04:36:02 AM »
  Powderman, let's put it simply: Knowledge can be taught through classes and books..wisdom cannot..

   Shootall;
   Yes, Muslims feel they must convert the world, as do many Christians. The great gulf occurs where the method is considered:
  the Muslim says "convert to Allah or die!", the Evangelical Christian says, "convert to Jesus and live !".,

   The former will kill or enslave you for not converting, the latter will simply, "shake the dust off his feet" and move on.

   Hooker;
    Careful now..you're making sense, that can lead to an attack..LOL

   
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« Reply #56 on: April 30, 2008, 12:40:16 PM »
"Per usual you continue to demonstrate who the real nazi are with a typical perverse clinical paranoia. Is it your method that if anyone criticizes or analyze US/Israeli foreign policy that they are automatically a nazi anti-semite?  That is THE hallmark strategy of the neo nazi and a zio-fascist moron trying to control destiny with a death wish for civilization.  As words and mind fail you, you continue to rely on canards and ad homenin attacks, thereby supporting evidence of your clinical psychosis as a matter of record. Methinks Billy doth protest too much.....and I know why.  TM7 strikes Billy's lost chord.
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Sounds like our Nazi sympathizer has blew a gasket!

Again we see the Nazi word used by our resident Neo Nazi,"zio_faciest" Kev be careful of who you associate with as I think we have a wolf in sheep's clothing here. As my friend that recently returned from a tour in Iraq informed me, the muslims think Hitler was a great man. Convert to Allah or die!
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« Reply #57 on: April 30, 2008, 01:03:15 PM »
  Here's the answer...
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« Reply #58 on: April 30, 2008, 03:47:10 PM »
HEH. Seems the more sense and truth we post the more upset tm7 gets. He's the one who hates the Jews and loves the Godless ones, but WE  are the nazis???? Not hardly. POWDERMAN.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Re: Muslim call to adopt Mecca time
« Reply #59 on: April 30, 2008, 04:50:54 PM »
Touche ;)
 
I agree with you we need to handle our foreign affairs much differently. I have no wish to annihilate the Muslims. But you will have to pardon me if when I reach out to pet one them rabid rascals I have my gun in the other hand. You know like Teddy Roosevelt Speak softly and carry a big stick.
The problem is that speak softly and carry a big stick thing works for a while. but if you don't whack someone with that stick every so often they start thinking it's your crutch.

Pat
The answer is not to pet them in the first place.  Teddy Roosevelt was a great president, and his words are as true today as they were back then.  Roosevelt (I hate calling him Teddy, I hear he hated that nick-name) understood that when you act, you need to act decisively.

Rattling our saber serves the interests of these tin pot dictators.... it allows them to blame us for their problems and gives them a cause to rally their people behind.  If we had ignored the inane ramblings of Iran's president and instead closed down the border between Iraq and Iran without so much as a word, he would have had to find another way to whip his masses into a frenzy.  Instead, we play right into his hands with all of this talk of war with Iran (a war we don't have the money or the troops for, and they know it) and we give him a propaganda tool he can use to incite fear and hatred among people who otherwise would have been indifferent.

I will agree with you that we've got to whack someone with that stick every now and again.  The trick is, we need to have a clear-cut, concrete reason for doing so.  We also need a clear objective and a realistic assessment of how much time, money, and force is necessary to accomplish that objective in a manner that is efficient in terms of lives lost and dollars spent.  The Bush administration took none of this into account when they planned the war in Iraq.

KEVTHEBASSMAN , So after years of conflict how do you see it ending ?
This is a conflict that has out lived generation after generation , it involves not only this life on earth but where we go when we die , both sides feel they have a responsiblity to convert all people to their way of thinking . We have been doomed to conflict since man was run from the garden . This has shaped the world for almost 2000 years . I don't think the policy of the USA has had as much effect as some / you would like to believe . The USA is more sympton than cause !
Shootall, do you want to know what I think ought to happen, or do you want to know what I think will really happen?

What ought to happen is tough to say.  We owe it to the innocent people of Iraq to leave them with a nation that is stable and secure from internal and external threats.  The problem, however, is that that corruption is crippling the efforts to get our help to where it will do the most good.  My fear is that no matter how long we spend in Iraq or how many dollars we give them, they may never take accountability and get their nation on track.

What we cannot do is continue this war indefinitely.  The leaders and people of Iraq need to have an incentive to get their efforts into gear, and drawing down our troop levels gradually to nothing is the way I think will best get them to _____ or get off the pot.  That's my opinion though. 

I think that the idea that the insurgents will launch an attack after our departure is probably true.  We cannot be in Iraq forever, and our stay there will not outlast the insurgency simply because our presence there is the reason there is an insurgency.  As we leave we will see increased insurgent activity followed by either the Iraqi people pulling together for victory or crumbling into chaos.  I don't think that 10 years and a trillion dollars will do much to change that if things carry on like they are, with companies on our end wasting defense dollars and officials on their end stealing aid dollars.

As for Israel, they need to recognize that they are not the only people who have claim to that land.  The bible doesn't amount to a deed in the minds of anyone but religious fundamentalists.  The fact is that there were people living in Israel before 1948, and the bible doesn't amount to a hill of beans to people who loose the farm that their dad and grand-dad were born and died on.  I know I would be mighty angry if someone told me that I had to leave my home so someone else could move into it.

Ultimately, we need to get ourselves off of imported oil.  Then we can leave the mid-east and stop spilling the blood of our best and brightest on the sand of people who by in large neither want nor appreciate our presence.

What will probably really happen is much the same as what is happening now.  Near constant antagonism by both sides marked by periods of profoundly senseless violence, all the while unscrupulous people on both sides using the fear and hatred of the other side for power or profit.