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Offline mattmillerrx

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NEW GUN
« on: April 22, 2008, 10:34:28 PM »
Ok, I have wanted one of these for years.  Now, I have been reading through this forum for a few weeks now and have a few questions.  Since, I have not even fired one of these things and don't know anyone with one I would like to start with a low recoil round.  I will buy a 22lr barrel just for cheap, fun practice but want one that had some recoil but would be good to learn how to shoot the gun before moving up to larger more powerful rounds.  I have a few in mind but would like to see what you guys have to say.  I would also like it to be something I could use for varmints up to yotes size but if you have something better by all means let me know.

I know different people find some rounds comfortable that others do not and am not concerned with that.  All I want to know is what you guys recommend for a newbie.

Next would you suggest the Encore or the Contender.  I plan to use the gun in time for every thing I would hunt in North America which is anything that can be hunted in North America.  But for starters, probably just varmints and then deer and will see if I can handle the recoil of the larger rounds need for the larger game.

I have started reloading for those that will ask this.  And one last thing would you buy a new gun or look for a used one?  By the way I have not found a used encore and have only seen a couple of contenders at the shows.

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Re: NEW GUN
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2008, 03:52:27 AM »
Well you can get a Contender chambered in rounds that will handle most all NA game animals. The Encore has more options power wise and in my opinion, more versatile. It weighs more so more recoil will be absorbed in it weight.  For you starting out besides the .22rf, I would consider the .223 or similar for varmints. For a dual purpose in the Contender you might find some limitations, the 6 TCU comes to mind, but it is alil light in my mind, there are others that would work.  The .223 along with the 7-30 Waters would be a good  2 barrel setup,(besides the .22 rf) for varmints and deer. In the Encore, one could use the .243win for both, or again, the .223 or 22-250 and then have something like a 7-08 for deer.
The possibilities for either platform  are vast though, it pretty much boils down to personal preference.

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Re: NEW GUN
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2008, 04:11:56 AM »
Thanks,  the encore was what I was leaning towards.  The weight sounds like it makes it the winner.  Everything you listed was what I had in mind as options as well so looks like I am on the right track.  The only one I had in mind that you did not list was .204 ruger--any thoughts on it?

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Re: NEW GUN
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2008, 04:45:01 AM »
I have the 204 barrel in contender and really like it. I would recommend that you educate your self to the going prices as compared to new. I bought my encore pro hunter from ed for 615.00 out the door and my g2 for 500. out the door. I have a carbine and 4 older contenders that I picked up at different gun shows. What I find at gun show is that the dealers will ask more than new and it may look like a good deal but wind up costing more than new. At the last gun show in Tulsa I looked at a number of used contender older style that they were asking 600.00 to 650.00 for but it was a very big show and lots of out of town dealers.
At the smaller shows with local dealers the price is from 300.00 to 450.00 some have an extra barrel or come with scope.
one nice thing about the G2 is that the older barrels will fit  so you are able to pick up barrels for a better price but the encore is in a class to its self and also much heavier but that helps on recoil  MTCW.
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Re: NEW GUN
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2008, 01:16:57 PM »
This is a can of worms that could be discussed for hours on end based on experience and opinions.

Which platform, Contender vs Encore, comes down to personal choice I think, but most who start with one usually ends up with both after the TC disease takes hold of them.   Since I am a l40 year Contender die hard (sold all my Encores) it'll be hard to give opinions that are not too biased.   But I'll give it a shot.

Since you posted this in the pistols forum (but don't miss out on the advantages of using either as a carbine/rifle too)... the Contender fits smaller hands better than larger ones, the Encore fits larger hands better than smaller ones.   The extra pound or so of weight in the Encore help some folks with felt recoil maybe, but it also means more weight for you to hold up when shooting offhand.   Even the stoutest wildcats designed for the lighter weight Contender are manageable for most people when they learn the technique for shooting them.   Classic Contender frames can be made to have better triggers than the Encore or G2, important if you will be doing much long range varmint, predator or target shooting.   I personally hate muzzle breaks on any of them.

Since you are going to reload, the skies the limit for you with either platform if you will consider custom barrels (not just factory barrels) and are willing to get into the world of wildcats.   The Encore will handle all of the cartridge choices for a Contender, and a bunch more the Contender can't handle safely.   But there are plenty of wildcats that were designed for the Contender that there isn't much that walks this earth you can 't hunt with a Contender as well or nearly as well as with an Encore.   In the more potent cartridge choices, if you don't want to get into reloading wildcats or custom barrels you will have more choices with an Encore though.   For NA game animals, both have factory barrels that shoot cartridges that will get the job done for any of them.   Not as well as wildcats will generally speaking.

Calibers to start with also depends on whether you decide to go with factory or custom barrels or wildcats.     You will be somewhat limited with factory choices and will have to pick the closest available for each of your different needs.   TC offers other choices in their so called custom barrels beyond their regular factory offerings too.   With true custom barrels its whatever you want that the barrel maker considers safe for that frame.

I'd opt for a 17 rimfire barrel over a 22 rimfire.   Either a 17HM2 or 17HMR.   They are both inherently accurate even in factory barrels, shoot farther/flatter than the 22's, are good game takers and are a lot of fun to shoot.   

For preds and varmints the 223 or 204 will get the job done fine if you want to stay simple.   I prefer the 17's myself, both factory and wildcats, and when the winds get heavy something in 24, 25 or 26 caliber for them (all of mine are wildcats though).   

For deer there are several good factory offerings for both platforms, and just a matter of choice.   There are also a lot of great wildcat options for deer sized game.   For big western mulies I always liked the 309JDJ myself.

My antelope/caribou barrel is a 6.5SB it's also my longest range target barrel.

Elk to moose can be handled with some of the Encore factory offerings and a couple for the Contender.   Or better yet with wildcats for either.   Since I think every TC hunter needs to own a 375JDJ sooner or later (I've had 4 - pure fun), that would be my choice for elk up.

For NA dangerous game its the 375JDJ as well.   

Proofread shows bias, but at least I also made some well deserved comments for the Encore as well.  ;)

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Re: NEW GUN
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2008, 07:10:46 PM »
There are a lot of valid points there.  I may have to do a good side by side comparison and see which fits me better.  That may be more important in felt recoil than the weight.  I have large palms but short fingers and have found some guns that people say fit large hands well to be perfect and some to big and some that were meant for small hands to fit like a glove too so for me it is all about ergonomics.   From most of the reading I had done it sounded like these both were best shot off a rest so have not considered shooting off hand.  I am hoping to catch someone out at the range with either that I can shoot and that would probably be the best thing for me.  The pricing info---I had noticed that the new were about the same prices as the used so that cleared that up---had thought maybe they are better than the new?

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Re: NEW GUN
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2008, 12:20:14 AM »
The grip does make a difference for sure. I found I didn't care for the factory models on either gun. I switched to a semi-custom wood grip. It was a little to big, but that turned out to be a good thing.  About a 1/2 hour with the dremel and I had a near as perfect fit for my hand as I could have. It made all the difference in the world as to group size and felt recoil.
So in my mind, the fit of either is somewhat a non issue, as you can make either one fit you. But that don't mean it's not an issue for someone else. There are a number custom guys around for grips and forends also, for that option.
It still boils down to personal choice and what level of performance you want.

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Re: NEW GUN
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2008, 03:53:55 PM »
I have to agree with some of the comments and disagree with some of them. I own all 3 formats of T/C's that is Contenders, G2's and Encores (Currently own 11 frames and a whole bunch of barrels).
I have calibers ranging from 17 thru 45. I happen to prefer the Encore because it just feels better in my hands than the others.  I have barrels from 22lr to 308Winchesterd for the Encore with more planned for the future.  More than likely you will go to custom stocks for a better shaped grip that fits your hand and there are a lot of options out there. I recommend that you find a person or persons that have the different models and see if you might join them for a day at the range to try the different models out to see what you like. 

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Re: NEW GUN
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2008, 02:12:14 AM »
Lots of good info so far. I'm only going to comment because I think I have hands similar to yours: on the large size for a man but with more palm size than finger length. In general I think the large palms really help out with recoil - more area/meat around the backstrap area to absorb/cushion the blow. On the other hand even with largish hands, the stubby fingers make for a long reach to the Encore trigger - no problem with the smaller Contender. I have custom grips for my Contenders and like the others posting encourage you to explore the possibilities. As you are shooting a very specialized handgun with potentially a high power/weight ratio and high inherent accuracy it only makes sense to get a proper fit. Being a Contender "veteran" but new to the Encore (assembling my first combo over this winter/spring) I only have the factory rubber grips and as I said the reach is long. With custom grips not only can your hand be fitted but trigger reach played with a little as well and yes I plan to go there.

Oh, one more thing. Of course we are all with different mindsets/abilities but when you mentioned limiting yourself to a rest I immediately thought of how much I enjoy shooting 10" barrelled Contenders offhand with iron sights, a red dot sight or even a 2x fixed scope. No I do not do this with longer tubes and/or higher powered optics but a 10" Contender handles just as well as a 7-1/2" SA revolver for me.