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« on: July 17, 2003, 03:38:59 AM »
Here's one person's top 25.  What say you?


The 25 Most Important Westerns & Why and High Noon didn t make the list.

25) The Searchers (1956) For years, this John Ford-John Wayne vehicle has held the reputation as being the inspiring force behind every filmmaker from Spielberg to Coppola, which is the only reason it shows any importance. In reality, it’s probably the most highly overrated western ever made.

24) The Hired Hand (1971) Understated, aimless, occasionally boring and definitely anticlimactic. In other words, a genius portrayal of life in the real Old West. Peter Fonda’s first film after Easy Rider proves the first was no fluke. Warren Oates always added grit and realism to any Western, and he burns up the screen here with his quiet quirkiness.

23) The Outlaw (1943) An otherwise forgettable matinee Billy the Kid vehicle, this Howard Hughes production looms.…um…large in the annals of film history for highlighting the prodigious bust of co-star Jane Russell. Hollywood Babylon contends Hughes invented the under-wire bra for his female lead. If you can think of a more important reason this film should be on the list, we would like to hear it.

22) The Good, the Bad & the Ugly (1970) Sergio Leone’s West was wildly inaccurate, yet the grit, the style and the sweep overcome its shortcomings (Ugly is actually the third of Leone’s so-called "Dollars" trilogy the other two being A Fistful of Dollars and For A Few Dollars More). Unlike most Hollywood slop being served up at the time, the Eastwood character (The Man With No Name) is completely detached and uninterested. He is only out for personal gain and nothing else. If that doesn’t match John Wesley Hardin and a myriad of other Bad Men, we don’t know what does. Meanwhile, the score is a virtual Rorshach test for an entire generation.

21) The Quick & The Dead (1995) Gunslingers converge on hellish town, facing off every hour, on the hour, for the title of Best Gunfighter. Combining some of the most unique scenes, camera tricks and characters in some time, The Quick & The Dead, directed by sci-fi visionary Sam Raimi, pulls the western to a bold new level in less than two hours.

20) The Bank Robbery (1908) A terrible movie, with no closeups, medium shots or any compelling sense of narrative. The end result is a film that is totally bone-headed and a complete waste of time. Except for the fact that many of the actual "actors" are some of the biggest names in Old West history. Lawman Bill Tilghman, Heck Thomas, Frank Canton and outlaws Al Jennings and Quanah Parker are clearly seen, riding straight at the camera. To see how each one sets his horse and dismounts makes The Bank Robbery an important film and a must-see.

19) Missouri Breaks(1976) On the surface, another range war epic. Importance? Find us another film that combines Jack Nicholson and Marlon Brando, and forces the Godfather to don a dress for a key scene. Classic, and first real portrayal of the assassin as western nobility.

18) Stagecoach (1939) John Ford’s dark, gritty, and extremely cold story of a seemingly doomed group of travelers. Most importantly, John Carradine inadvertently debuts the greatest Doc Holliday to ever appear on film.

17) Star Wars (1974) Take something old, make it new again. At a time when the movie industry was in the middle of a western drought, matinee western fan George Lucas gave us a new, albeit quite different, gunfighter named Han Solo (complete with tie-down blaster rig) and one of the greatest cantina scenes ever filmed.

16) One-Eyed Jacks (1961) Terribly flawed (Stanley Kubrick quit as director and Brando took over), Jacks still has its moment in the sun. Based on the Billy the Kid-Pat Garrett story, Marlon Brando stars as a terse outlaw who returns from the past to settle a score with "Dad." Not counting Zorro, it’s one of the few Westerns that uses the coast of California, mainly Monterey, as a location, and unlike so many Westerns that use N.D. horses (nondescript), this production is full of beautiful horseflesh used to magnificent results. The opening sequence of Brando about to seduce a señorita is worth the trip.

15) The Long Riders (1980) Director Walter Hill’s casting of actual brothers to play the James-Younger gang was his first stroke of genius; his second was dragging the viewer through the bloody mud of Northfield, Minnesota, and the James downfall.

14) Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid (1974) We still have our doubts about Kris Kristofferson as Billy, but all is forgiven when Peckinpah has the sand to show the Kid being bucked off his horse, while trying to escape from the Lincoln County jail. Witnesses testified this actually happened on April 28, 1881 when the horse Billy was trying to mount was spooked by the dangling shackle and chain still attached to Billy’s ankle. That Hollywood would even portray such a scene when virtually every range rider from Mix to Clint were shown riding horizon to horizon glued to the saddle is, well, a miracle (the only other realistic buck-off portrayal that comes to mind is Robert Duvall’s Gus in Lonesome Dove).

13) Jeremiah Johnson (1972) As far as mountain men films go (and there are dang few), this one has it all greenhorns hungry for a new Hawken rifle, grizzled old fart trappers, skeptical Indians, shell-shocked victims of Indians, an uncaring U.S. Army, and snow. Lots of snow. Based on the life of the real Liver-Eating Johnson, Redford and Pollack do what Eastwood has been trying to do, and failing, for years make a thinking man’s western.

12) Viva Zapata (1952) Muy simpático before it was cool to be muy simpático. The Mexican revolution and Emiliano Zapata (Marlon Brando) turn on a series of symbolic ropes and then the whole shebang ends up like Jesse James (betrayed by a friend). So very stylish and ahead of their time in costuming and stage dressing.

11) Birth of a Nation (1915) Frequently written off as an exercise in racism, and admittedly, downright silly in places, Birth of a Nation exposes much about post-Civil War America (Texas comes to mind). When presented as a classroom projection, it offers an informed look at racial fears that fueled Reconstruction outlawry.

10) Heaven’s Gate (1974) The very definition of the West too large to tame, dirty, expensive, brief moments of inspiring beauty and extended moments of breathtaking brutality. For everything that went wrong with the production of this movie, what was captured on the screen is pure brilliance; quite frankly, despite (or perhaps thanks to) the cocaine-frenzied excesses, they got a hell of a lot of things right. When Frank Canton (Sam Waterson) corners and kills Nate Champion (Christopher Walken), you are there, right down to the very smallest detail. Brilliant.

9) Bad Company (1972) The set-up is anti-Vietnam, but the depiction is pure, unadulterated Real West. Nothing quite shocks the viewer like the stark scenery, haphazard violence, and rambling efforts of the title group of chicken thieves, who haven’t got but one gun and a few mules between them. When they come upon an east-bound emigrant and inquire about the West, he warns them to stay away. Advice ignored, the end result is sobering.

8) Butch Cassidy & the Sundance Kid (1969) Before this film there was nothing—only a handful of cranky, regional historians even knew who they were. William Goldman changed all that with a brilliant, witty script (based on source material from one of those cranky, regional historians, James Horan) and the subsequent movie, literally catapulted Butch and Sundance out of obscurity and into the pantheon of Western outlaws. Take out that damn song ("Rain Drops Keep Falling On My Head") and the movie still stands tall three decades later.

7) Ride With the Devil (1999) Bushwacker curls, sheephair tunics, and a lyrical script that will have you reaching for your Ozark dictionary. This Civil War border tale concerning bloody Missouri farm boys was sacrificed at the box office for a Hollywood sin100% historical accuracy. Apparently audiences weren’t ready for dead-on costuming, dialogue, and a realistic representation of the sins of our forebears. Then again, maybe viewers just couldn’t handle Pit, the scariest villain to emerge on screen in a long, long time.

6) McCabe & Mrs. Miller (1971) Loaded with pathos and drenched in black humor, Robert Altman nailed the underbelly of the Westering experience. In an ugly, half-built town, Warren Beatty becomes a big fish in a small pond, knowing all the while his days are numbered and yet, he’s not sure exactly what to do about it (sounds like the magazine business!). Edgy, dark and beautiful, the ending is possibly the most accurate, dead-on portrayal of the outcome of a "gunfight" on celluloid. No winners, only frozen corpses. And all over a misunderstanding. Very cool.

5)The Great Train Robbery (1903) Long lauded as the first Western (it wasn’t), The Great Train Robbery is important for two reasons the crude film (made in a mere two days) contains virtually all the devices of the yet to be evolved "Western," including a saloon scene where the "tenderfoot" is made to dance; ruthless villains who stop the train and shoot down the guard; a dramatic chase with six-guns blazing; and guys tumbling from their saddles until all the badmen are dead. Allegedly based on an actual Wild Bunch robbery, it is believed Butch Cassidy and The Sundance Kid watched it while in New York on their way to South America. Killer!

4) Lonesome Dove (1989) OK, so it was on television, but its still one of the best westerns put to celluloid. Based on the adventures of Charlie Goodnight and Oliver Loving, Dove turns the dusty streets of San Antonio, the green hills of Montana, and a dutch oven full of biscuits into something worth long, slow inspection. Hell, hang it in the Louvre, this is fine art.

3) Wild Bunch (1969) Slo-mo masterpiece of Western death that cemented the doomed walk-down sequence, and the code of sticking together, no matter what. When all the smoke blown by cinema snots clears, it’s still there. It not only changed westerns, it changed the national mindset. Pretty heavy stuff.

2) Tombstone (1993) In the first five minutes, this film totally redeemed the motion picture industry for over fifty years of costuming, historical and dialogue sins. The Remingtonesque clothing scored the picture a homerun before the first line was ever spoken. A first in many ways, Tombstone stands out among Wyatt Earp fans for solid, as-accurate-as-allowed portrayals of the Earp brothers and their wives, the Cow-boy gang, the very town of Tombstone, and Doc Holliday and Curly Bill Brocius, played with haunting effect by Val Kilmer and Powers Boothe. Their portrayals sparked a long-since extinguished desire to dress up and play cowboy in the hearts of many men. Almost overnight, the reenactor and make-believe gunfighter population inflated to epic proportions, with armies of "Docs" and "Curly Bills."

1) Little Big Man (1970) It only took some seventy-odd years, but Little Big Man marks the first time a major film starred an actual Native American. Chief Dan George (who won a supporting actor Oscar for the role) nonchalantly plays Old Lodge Skins which, in turn, totally complements Dustin Hoffman’s edgy interpretation of the 121-year-old Jack Crabb. Besides being hilarious and politically incorrect (it’s hard to imagine this film being green-lighted today). Little Big Man serves as a concise history of the American West, representing each phase of development the pioneers are here, fat horny sisters are here, the clergy, the prostitutes (mixed up with the clergy), straight Indians, queer Indians, bureaucrats, soldiers, drummers, journalists, carpetbaggers, vigilantes, scouts, muleskinners, gamblers, gunfighters (including Wild Bill Hickok), the windy old-timer, historians (sometimes confused with windy old-timers) and last but not least—George Armstrong Custer himself. No other Western, not even the bloated How The West Was Won, had the scope, the sand, or the vision of this masterpiece. Funny, ironic and a certified kick in the pants just like the real Wild West. As Phil Hardy so aptly put it, Little Big Man is "the story of a perpetual adolescent fathered by the heroes and villains of the West."·   

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« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2003, 01:49:31 AM »
personally, the recent "made for tv" westerns are excellent in character and props--i like them because sex is not offered as the primary reason to watch---they may be as good as most offered by this critic and i believe far more accurate in character.
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« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2003, 02:06:20 AM »
Wonder why?

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« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2003, 04:18:12 PM »
Appears someone has taken over and is using poor departed old williamlayton's persona.  Whoever it is has old williamlayton's mannerisms and sense of humor? down pat.  Really do miss the REAL old williamlayton.
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« Reply #4 on: August 01, 2003, 02:27:00 AM »
I really thought this subject would bring them out of the woodwork, so I have held back my $0.02.    Everyone must be out shooting.  
I can't believe that The Searchers was #25.  I personally love this movie and feels it captures the desperation of the Natives and the struggle of the pioneers to hold on to what they think is theirs.  Well, the Outlaw could have been higher as well and I can think of two good reasons.......
If we are allowed to throw in Star Wars, I would include Star Trek the Wrath of Khan.  It was the best Star Trek Movie to date and was infinitely better than the "Wagon Train to the Stars" series.   It had revenge, family trouble and ageing gunfighters.  

I guess this would be my list.

10  Rio Lobo- The duke is older but Jack Elam stole the show.  Worth it for the laughs-makes me feel "Comfortable".

9   Ride with the Devil/Jose Wales.    Tie here.  similar subject, totally different movies, but being MOGorilla, they had to appear.  

8  Rooster Cogburn-  I love True Grit, but Hepburn and Wayne together just make me smile.  If this movie was made today, they would put the ~70 year old Wayne with a 28 year old starlet.  The chemistry between Wayne and Hepburn is amazing.  I can not think of a woman other than Maureen O'Hara that ever came close to matching John Wayne.  

7  The Stagecoach.   John Waynes "breakthrough"  great and timeless.

6   The Professionals.   Enjoyable cast and good look at the end of the west.

5   Makenna's Gold-   Enjoy Peck and Sharif.  It is greed gone wild and enjoyable.  

4   Wild Bunch-  Bloody and enjoyable.  Ben Johnson is suberb in a stellar cast.

3  For a few dollars more.   I like this one of the trilogy the best.  Lee Van Cleef shooting Eastwoods hat is classic!!!

2   Rio Bravo- Anyone who ever doubted Dean MArtin's acting ability should rewatch this.   And Stumpy is great.

1    Silverado   An homage to the old western surpassed them all.  

That is my two cents.  

p.s.  Outlaw probably came in ~15(or 38??)

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« Reply #5 on: August 01, 2003, 07:41:07 AM »
MOgorilla said:  "I really thought this subject would bring them out of the woodwork...".  

So did I, but I've about decided people have too much going on in the summer time.  Seems they are much more inclined to get involved in a discussion in the winter when it is too cold or nasty to go outside.

Took me a while to figure out the significance of "MOgorilla".  Guess I'm slowing down with age.  My wife, Texana Trueheart,  recently discovered she has a genealogical connection to Sam Hildebrand.  Until that point, I had never heard of him.  Got to tell you his story makes for some interesting reading.  My second viewing of "Ride with the Devil", subsequent to the Hildebrand research, was even more enjoyable.    

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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2003, 06:45:14 AM »
Well you guys far surpass my knowledge of the old west but I love to talk about it, read it and watch it.  I've just never gotten serious about it. :oops:  I also believe the recent tv western movies with cowboys portrayed by the likes of Sam Elliott and Tom Selleck are pretty good. I don't think I could come up with 25 movies so I'll post what I can.

1) It has to be LONESOME DOVE.  Both Robert Duvall and Tommy Lee Jones were great. The costumes were very realistic, this movie kept me riveted for the 3-4 nights it was on.  

2) THE OUTLAW JOSIE WHALES. I've seen it probably more than any other movie and still love it. The various emotions it takes me thru is always a wild ride.

3) ROOSTER COGBURN. I have to pick a John Wayne movie, I like most of his later stuff.

4)  TOMBSTONE I think Val Kilmer really made this movie.

5)  SILVERADO The only movie I saw at the theatre, it's kinda corny but what a great cast. It ended promising a sequel and I'm still waiting. :?

6)  JEREMIAH JOHNSON Not really a "Cowboy western" but it is a great movie.

7)  UNFORGIVEN One of Clint's best movies, consideration is mostly the story (which wasn't new) It's just with his age, it seemed more realistic.

8)  GERONIMO I only saw it once but it made an impression.


9)  THE LONG RIDERS Again I only saw it once.

10)  DANCES WITH WOLVES I didn't like the one sided portrayal of the struggle between the indians and the "invaders" but I do like this one.

11)  YOUNG GUNS Purely for the action, it was entertaining.

12)  SHANGHAI NOON  :-D  just kiddin' although it was a western. :wink:

Anyway as you all can see, I have limited knowledge but do like this stuff. There were a lot of movies listed that I never heard of and a couple I just have to see. e.g. RIDE WITH THE DEVIL and HEAVENS GATE.
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2003, 09:59:52 AM »
first--if'n we'uns had all fell in love wit tha same woman it woulda been a heck of a fistfight. and that answerers al the questions about best movies, actors, guns, boolits fer everbody---ceptin my wife--there is only one correct answer fer her-and i better ask her what the correct answer is before i have an opinion.
second--daniel--if'n your askin me wonder why, all i can say is" i don't remember"-- what were we talkin about--i fergot what i wuz thinkin--but i'm pretty shure it wuz clever and correct.
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« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2003, 10:25:51 AM »
this is a ps---i really like the searchers, also lonsome dove, tombstone(i'm your huckleberry), the d.i., and a bunch of others--but i'll be danged if i could choose my favorite.
you don't think tha d.i. was a western? well--only because of the costumes--and then only maybe.
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« Reply #9 on: August 05, 2003, 02:02:55 AM »
Had to look up Sam Hildebrand.  He was quite a character, definitely a movie story there.   Yup, I am a true Missouri Gorilla.  I spent my formative years in Tennessee, then moved to Illinois.  They had a whole different story about the War Between the States.  I met a Missouri girl and moved here.  Cole Younger is buried less than 4 miles from my house and Jesse James's farm is about 30-40 miles away.  To top it off, my chest hair is colonizing my back and much of what used to be on top of my head has retreated to my back.  Went and rented Ride With The Devil on Monday.  (My wife was soooooo pleased)  I really enjoy that film.  Some of it was filmed in the area and more than makes up for Ang Lee's terrible Incredible Hulk Film.

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« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2003, 06:02:30 PM »
williamlayton said it best...."if we were all in love with the same woman, there would be a fistfight...." - so here's my 2 cents worth:

1.  Tombstone - period correct in both dialogue and dress; good portrayals by everybody.  Val Kilmer was Academy Award stuff.....and Powers Boothe wasn't far behind.

2.  Quigley Down Under - Tom Selleck pulls off a "Western" set in a very different part of the world.

3.  Monte Walsh - Tom Selleck does it again.  Classic story of the West going away from the cowboys.....

4.  The Unforgiven - Clint Eastwood's "William Munny" was very well done and I think the final gunfight scene in  the Saloon may be what it was really like.  Munny's philosphy that "...you've got to be able to stand there under fire......" is probably extremely correct.

5.  West World - with Yul Brunner.  How many of you remember this one?  An odd choice, I know.....

6.  Silverado was incorrect in so many ways, but why do I keep watching it when it comes on?

7.  The Magnificent Seven - still a pretty good story.

8.  One-Eyed Jacks - alittle bit too much mumbling on Brando's part, but I do recommend it to others.

9.  Cat Ballou - I know, I know Jane Fonda is not my favorite person in the world either, but there are some cool characters in this movie.

10.  (Finally) The Roughriders - with Tom Berenger as Teddy Roosevelt.  Not truly a 'Western', but good depiction of the country at the Turn-of-the-Century.

10a.  (Just had to include one more......) The Man who shot Liberty Valance - Lee Marvin's character, need I say anything at all?

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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2003, 02:42:28 AM »
after seeing it open range has taken a place in my "want to see again" list--only time will tell if it enters the perm list----but it has a real good chance.
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« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2003, 02:57:25 PM »
Actually after seeing "Open Range" - it moved to number One on my list.  I feel that it is absolutely the best western ever made.....!!!!! :D
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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2003, 03:20:10 AM »
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this is a reply after much thinking and it is a personal thought- not to spark arguements.
the only thing i have concern about is the convesation which takes place at the burial. now i know the lord is complete enough in hisonself to understand the conversation-but-i thought it was completely unecessary. now i have argued with the lord--told him of my anger-wondered at his decisions-but-i do not think i would do this in the open where it might influence another--the conversations i have are very private. this was a public forum and can affect others in a very negative way. it could also bring wrath to bear.
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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2003, 02:07:53 AM »
I am a fairly religious man in my own way and I thought it was actually an appropriate scene.  I have lost some friends and family over the years and sometimes it doesn't seem fair and there is no one to lash out at.  God tends to take the brunt of our anger and little of our praise it seems.  Luckily he is forgiving.  I thought the anger expressed by Duvall allowed the viewer to see him prepare himself for what they were about to do.  I in no way felt that the character was going to stay mad at God, any more than I have over the years.   I just felt it was moment that if I am mad at him and tell him so, maybe he won't watch what I am about to do.  Even then, his morale fiber came through, not allowing Costner to finish off the wounded man crawling in the mud.

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« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2003, 02:35:08 AM »
the last part of my obsevation is the contex of my thought. this, i think-just me thinking-could influence some who do not think or are less mature in the lord to imitate as though it was appropriate. coversations-i think-with the lord in prayer, in private, may be appropriate and understandable to the lord but not to someone else who does not understand the full contex of the conversation. in a whole i agree with your comments-it is the forum i was disagreeing with.
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« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2003, 08:07:49 AM »
Well we all got our favorites. But I am amazed there has been no mention of "The Shootist" It is definitly on my top 10 list!
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« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2003, 03:33:25 PM »
i was amazed once when a friend of mine fell in love with a girl i had dated and just couldn't get any father with the feelings past friendship. they are still married.
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« Reply #18 on: January 07, 2004, 06:31:08 PM »
I don't presume to pick the most important Westerns, but the ones I like and have watched several times and expect to watch again are:

1.  Lonesome Dove: Best charactors in any movie. Best scenes, sassy bartender & Capt. Call's fight.

2.  Tombstone; Costume & arms, Val Kilmer's dialogue

3.  The Longriders; reasons given in other posts

4.  Culpepper Cattle Company; Has anyone else seen this? Best saloon shootout.

5-17, In no particular order;
    John Wayne in;  The Shootist and the two Rooster Cogburn movies.
    Steve McQueen; Nevada Smith, Tom Horn
    Clint Eastwood; Unforgiven
    Chief Dan George; Little Big Man, The Outlaw Jose Wales
    Paul Newman & Redford; Butch & Sundance
    Dances With Wolves, Jermiah Johnson, Quigley Down Under.

There are probably others I can't think of right now, but these would make a pretty good western vidio library for me.

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« Reply #19 on: January 07, 2004, 10:37:09 PM »
Hey guys...ya'll left  my all-time favorite....."The Outlaw Josey Wells"....now spit :lol:               Rick
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« Reply #20 on: January 07, 2004, 10:39:20 PM »
Sorry DDO,I see you did list it.I stand corrected...good man........Rick
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« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2004, 06:33:55 PM »
Okay, okay. I know that no one has posted anything on this thread for a few months. So I'm a little late. Won't be the first time, guess I'm a little slow.
     I enjoyed all your favorites and your reasons why. I enjoy everyone who posts on these subjects. Enjoy reading what you all have to say. BUTTTTTTT....now I am compelled to speak. You all have 'em wrong (most of you anyway). How could any one have a list of best western movies and NOT put Lonesome Dove at the top?  I am sure that you could go any where in the world or in the universe for that matter and if you took a survey Lonesome Dove would come out on top. Now don't get me wrong, all of them there other flicks were also good, but at best they were just fighting over second place. Why, I'll be that if Lonesome Dove had been released back in the old west even Wyatt, Doc, Wild Bill and the rest would agree with me (Wyatt would be over heard saying "Hey Doc, that fella dresses and talks kida like you." and Doc would scowl and say "He ain't no Huckleberry!"  
     Oh yes, I also notice that somebody forgot to mention "The Grey Fox."

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« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2004, 07:49:17 AM »
To veer off into TV land for a second...

Any opinions on the new HBO series "Deadwood"?  Very coarse to be sure, but I suspect a lot more historically accurate in word and deed than many would like to admit.  I find it dark but interesting.

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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2004, 12:20:43 AM »
We never got into an arguement over High Noon--so I will start off the musings and ramblings and cussings and denials and ectra, ectra, ectra to adnausium.
I liked, still do, High Noon. The story is a good one. The characters, actually the choice of actors, is the real flaw I find in the film.
Lets start with Gary Cooper--I liked tha feller, but not in this-un. I would have enjoyed a remake with Clint or, God fobid,  Hank Fonda. Cooper was a little too figity fer my likes.
Tha bad guys were not bad nuff, strictly B-western types--ceptin fer Van Cleef--Well, he never got tha acolades he should have, til it wuz too late, an tha guy was from New-Joisey fer cryin out loud. All I can think bout when I see em is Purple People Eater. Now ol Charles Bronson woulda made a heck of a bad guy here. Too late agin.
Tha deputy--Boys, anybody but this-un.
The thing I liked best bout this-un was Tex Ritters song. You young folks find it an listen too it. That feller sang that song with a real Texas accent, well cause, he was from Texas. listen to how he prounces his words. I have heard Frankie Lane sing the song an it aint tha same song.
Should/Could this have been in the top 25/10 ? If'n they would have asked me fore thay made it!
Now, since I have written this, an I KNOW I am right, you boys take tha tha second best shot ya got.
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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2004, 01:36:32 AM »
I really love Deadwood, and now that the season is over, I am really missing it.  I thought language was over the top, and the sex was too at times.  I am married with no kids, so I really don't worry about what is on our tv, but some of the scenes I suspect were put in  merely to remind watchers they are tuned to HBO.  I have recorded them for my sister who lives in the socialist country of Canada, they aren't allowed to get a satellite, so no hbo.   I rewatched several over the weekend and found them better the 2nd time around.   I am finding my darkside prevails and Al is my favorite character.

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« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2004, 09:43:54 AM »
All of Clint's westerns and Once Upon A Time In The West would be on my list.

As far as tv goes, for me Have Gun Will Travel stood above them all.
Rawhide and Gunsmoke would come next.
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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2004, 05:13:05 PM »
MoG,

Where's she at?  I too live north of the 49th (at the extreme western edge  :-) ) and it shows up on my cable Sat/Sun night.  Lots o' satelite dishes around here too.   :grin:

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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2004, 05:24:36 PM »
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« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2004, 06:19:27 PM »
Any reason why the movie Wyatt Earp (Kevin Costner & Dennis Quaid version) didn't make anyones list?

I have watched both Tombstone and Wyatt Earp and I guess I like the Wyatt Earp one of those two better from a just watch it standpoint.

Lonesome Dove, Open Range several of the John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, and Tome Selleck movies are on my list of one I watch several times.

Might be nice to see Mel Gibson so a more serious western than maverick.

Especially if it runs along the same lines, so to speak, as Braveheart, We Were Soldiers, The Patriot.

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« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2004, 11:45:40 PM »
Cowpoke-
If we had all fallen in love with the same woman it would have been a heck of a fist-fight.
Only from my perspective, as I don't  recall seeing the movie "Wyatt Earp", that folks like movies for different reasons. I like ones that are depicted pretty accurately-historically as well as realistically.
So many movies are made that are well done but the editor, whoever he is, really ruins the movie.
Anywho, glad to hear from ya.
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