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Offline damascusblade5

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460 barrel question
« on: April 26, 2008, 02:47:30 PM »
 I am thinking about a 460 barrel. I know the S&W 460 gets a lot of it's velocity from the gain twist rifling in their barrel. Does the Encore barrel have gain twist rifling? If not how much velocity is lost?
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Re: 460 barrel question
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2008, 04:07:30 AM »
This is the first that I've about the velocity thing.  I thought the gain twist was to be easier on the bullet starting into the rifling.
Even if there was a velocity loss it should be very little and wouldn't the closed breech of the Encore barrel make up for it?
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Re: 460 barrel question
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2008, 07:56:20 AM »
I have a 15" Encore 454 Casull barrel with rifling twist rate is 1 in 16", cut down to 12" by SSK and installed a T'SOB base with three rings.  I suggest finding a 454 Casull barrel, because its all you will need for any game anywhere.  I also use the Pachmayr grips with forend.

The factory Encore barrel in 460 S&W Mag is 15" pistol barrels are 1 in 16" and 20" Katahdin barrel is 1 in 18"

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The engineering brain trust at Smith & Wesson also borrowed a 19th century feature to deal with the unique problems posed by the new load. The .460 features gain-twist rifling to ease the high-speed projectiles into their spin. It starts at 1-turn-in-100 and tightens to 1:20 at the end of the 7 1/2-inch tube.

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Re: 460 barrel question
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2008, 12:51:14 PM »
The Encore does not have gain twist rifling in the 460 S&W Mag.  The reason S&W used gain twist rifling was because without it, torque was breaking scopes.  It has nothing to do with velocity or with  being easier on bullets  On S&W revolvers in 460 S&W, the twist starts out at 1:100 and ends up at 1:20 at the muzzle.  The twist in an Encore 460 S&W is 1:16.  I broke 2 scopes with mine so I know it's hard on them.

Oh, and get a 460 S&W and not the 454 Casull.  I've shot both and the 460 isn't that much worse and it performs better.

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Re: 460 barrel question
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2008, 04:59:17 PM »
Plus, you can shoot 45 Colt and 454 Casulls in the 460 Encore with very good accuracy, in mine anyway..........

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Re: 460 barrel question
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2008, 07:25:51 AM »
 Thanks, I have a S&W 460 but don't enjoy shooting it, not because of the recoil but because of the flame blast thru the barrel/cylinder gap. Thought the Encore may be more enjpyable to shoot.
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Re: 460 barrel question
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2008, 10:25:09 AM »
In the Encore the 460 Mag will have a lot more felt recoil than in the S&W 460 Mag. I have both also. There is no escaping of gases to aid in reducing the recoil in the Encore. The Gain twist actually helps with them light fast bullets. I don't think it is needed for heavier slower bullets. I only shot 300 and up gr. bullets in my 460 Mags.
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