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Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« on: May 03, 2008, 01:45:33 PM »
Hello to all! I recently acquired a Marlin 336RC in.35 Remington. It's a great rifle, very accurate and I'm having fun rollin my own carts for it for next deer season. I only have one other rifle with a bottleneck case, my Rem .308 VSS, so I don't have much experience in the finer points of loading this design. I've read that some people lube the inside of the neck prior to resizing. How necessary is this & does it lengthen case life, or other beneficial stuff? I'd appreciate anyone's feedback on the subject, & thanx, jd45

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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2008, 01:59:19 PM »
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Ya , lubing the case neck inside will help some as the expander does not pull as hard on the brass , 2 things that you need to look for .

1 - Do not use too much lube as it will build up and expand the necks to much

2 - Make sure you clean out the necks before and after sizing ( before to get all the grit out of the neck ) and after to get the lube out before the bullet is seated .

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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2008, 02:16:08 PM »
I use Hornady One Shot spray for normal sizing lube, it's easy to apply to the case neck, inside and out and doesn't require any special steps for removal. ;)

I just started using the Lyman case neck dipper lube kit for necking brass up, it uses powdered mica, only I use lead #9 shot mixed with the mica to mimimize the amount used, works very well and is easily removed with just a brush.

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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2008, 02:38:36 PM »
+1 to the mica, no worries about leaving lube in the case & fouling the powder.  Nice tip about mixing in some shot, thanks!

I've also heard some people using powdered graphite.  I have a readily available and cheap supply, anyone know of any potential problems using it for lubing the inside of case necks?

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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2008, 02:43:03 PM »
Thanx Stimpylu32 & Tim! I'll incorporate your suggestions into my process of assembly of these cartridges. jd45

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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2008, 05:25:29 PM »
  graphite is used as a flash deterrent by the powder makers. It MIGHT slow down the powder burn IF you leave to much in the case. I generally turn the case over after sizing to make sure the graphite is out of the case. I also use a nylon brush to apply the stuff.  It greatly reduces the expander drag, which helps keep the case length correct.

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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2008, 06:41:17 AM »
Do you have a case tumbler or vibrator?  If so, this is the way I do it. First off, I chuck a proper sized bore brush in a drill and brush out the necks of the cases. Then I wipe down each with a soft cloth and inspect them and lay them out on a stamp pad case oiler. I roll them back and forth and as I take each case up, I press it into the stamp pad like I am trying to cut a little cookie out of the pad. This puts a little bead of oil around the inside of the mouth of the case that the resizing ball smears along the inside of the neck.  When I'm done, I toss them into the case tumbler which cleans the resizing lube from the outside and inside. 
Every few hundred cases, I take the resizing stem and ball out and wipe off the accumulation of gunk (oil and carbon) on top of the ball. 

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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2008, 09:09:22 AM »
Yes, I have an RCBS virbatory case cleaner. I got the mica as well. Thanx for the tip, jd45

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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2008, 01:22:27 PM »
Lubing is necessary to keep cases from hanging up. Cleaning out lube left inside the case neck is also important. You can use Q-tips dipped in alcohol and it is important to get all the lube out of all the necks for consistent accuracy . I also use Q-tips to lube necks before resizing.

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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2008, 02:49:51 PM »
Ok abner, I'll keep that in mind & thanx, jd45

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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2008, 12:08:51 PM »
my second new rifle was a Marlin in .35 Rem many years ago. Great rifle and cartridge. What sort of "boolit" are you going to stuff into the case?
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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2008, 12:22:23 PM »
plus one on the hornady one-shot. never using anything else ever again, wow is it easy and cheap.

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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2008, 01:37:25 PM »
use graphite and/or mica on a cotton swab to lube necks, imperial die sizing wax to lube cases.
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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2008, 02:16:59 PM »
For starters, I'm using the Remington 200gr RN Corelokt as 1st choice, because, from what I've read, it'll provide optimum expansion. I also have the Speer 180gr Flat point, 2nd choice. Once I get my Lyman M-Expander die, I'll try some gas-checked Beartooth & MontanaBulletWorks cast bullets as well. I have some Dillon aerosol sizing lube.........might that be comparable to the Hornady stuff? And as I said, I'm set up with the mica so all I'll need to get is the Imperial wax sizing lube for the case bodies. Thanx for the tip, warrior1. jd45

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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2008, 12:27:34 AM »
You can't go wrong with either bullet. I have used both plus the old WW Silvertips and the 220 gr. Speer. Both Speers will give you excellent penetration.
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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2008, 01:29:50 AM »
47-70, I understand that the 220 Speer won't perform as well, that is, expand, at the velocities I plan to run my bullets at, as the 200 Rem. RN, which is supposed to be THE bullet @ 2100-2200fps. The 220 Speer is more a .35 Whelan speed, (2500fps) bullet, & I've seen results of expansion tests posted on the Marlinowners forum. That's why I'm leaning to the Rem. bullet. I plan to do some shooting @ 200yds as well as 100yds Saturday now that I've put a Bushnell scope on the rifle, just to satisfy my curiosity about how accurate the rifle is at those ranges. jd45

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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2008, 02:36:46 AM »
I lube the neck on one case run it thru. and it seems to not pull on the next cases , every so often i run my lubed case thru as i encounter more resistance than i feel comfortable with and that has worked for me .
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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2008, 03:35:21 PM »
Thanx SHOOTALL, I'll add that to my list of heplful hints. jd45

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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2008, 03:33:21 AM »
jd !  I had the rifle  when I lived in British Columbia and it was used mostly for moose. I think the longest shot was probably around 60 yards. I never recovered any of the 220 grainers, but the moose died. You won't have any problems with the Rem's either. The Winchester fodder did not penetrate even a muley but did kill them just as well.

btw. when you start using cast bullets be aware of the mircro groove limits on the V's
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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2008, 04:25:48 AM »
I use Hornady One Shot also. I've tried a lot of lubes and none are as clean to use or work so well. After resizing I usually put the cases in a tumbler to clean them. Before re-sizing, I shoot One Shot into the case mouth and into the die.
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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #20 on: May 15, 2008, 04:03:40 AM »
I use the Hornady One Shot, and relly like it. I also switched all my bottle neck dies over to the Redding carbide size buttons. They float on the stem, and make pulling it back out much easier.  gypsyman
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« Reply #21 on: May 15, 2008, 07:20:09 AM »
47-70, well maybe I'll try those 220 Speers after all, & thanx for the tip on the Micro-Groove rifling with cast bullets. Thanx everybody for all your advice..........I guess from all the recommendations for the Hornady One-Shot lube, I'm gonna haveta get some & try it. jd45

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« Reply #22 on: May 15, 2008, 09:21:12 AM »
The Speer 220 grain hot core in .358 was designed for the 35 Remington, not the 35 Whelan.  Any of the Speer flat points can readily be identified as made for the 35 Remington because the flat point was developed for the tubular magazines.
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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #23 on: May 15, 2008, 12:28:12 PM »
47-70,..............I'm dyin of curiosity regarding your user name & the cart in your avitar. Is it a real cartridge? I haven't heard of it, but there's lotsa stuff I never heard of! jd45

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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #24 on: May 16, 2008, 06:54:49 AM »
"How necessary is this & does it lengthen case life, or other beneficial stuff?"

Don't think inside neck lube adds a thing to case life but it does improve the necks.    Conventional expanders, by pulling from inside the case tend to stretch the thin side of a neck more than the thick side and that pulls the neck out of line with the case.  Not good for accuracy and the .35 can be astonishingly accurate with good ammo!

Actually, I was happy to see that you are getting a Lyman M die.  A universal decapper and the M is THE answer for best necks with bottle necks, on average and with common reloading tools.  After sizing but before expanding, just rub a "greasy" (lightly lubed) finger over the mouth of the case.  That will leave a slight ring of lube just inside the mouth and it will be pushed into the neck as the expander enters, viola, lubing is done!  I feel that mica and graphite are half as effective.

If you lube with a wax you won't need to remove the residue unless it's excessive.  I use Imperial Die Wax but if you don't have easy access to that you can also use Kiwi "Mink Oil" boot treatment, actually it's a high quality soft wax very much like Imperial and works just as well.  Walmart has it in their shoe department for cheap.  Wax case lube is clean, won't contaminate powder or primers, easy to apply with fingers, easy to wipe off and won't attract dirt.  Great stuff!

The Remington 200 gr. RN is MADE for the .35 Rem and gives ideal performance.  Nothing else I've tried does as well.  Well okay, the Hornady 200 RN shoots as well but doesn't expand as well at .35 velocities.
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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2008, 04:02:45 PM »
Well now, wncchester, you've thrown some more stuff into the game here! Tell me, if you will, about this universal decapper....who sells it, how it works, why you value it so highly. I've got some KIWI Mink Oil, so I'll try it tonite. Gotta load some up so I can zero my new Nikon Prostaff 3X9X40..........great scope.........got it last Sunday at the Bass Pro Shop for $150. Thanx for the tip on the mink oil. jd45

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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2008, 02:24:50 AM »
Universal decappers are marketed by RCBS and Lee for sure, think Lyman and Hornady have them too.  All it consists of is an over-sized die body that doesn't touch the sides of any known case and a decap rod without an expander.  Used as a first step in processing brass it gets rid of the spent primer before tumbling so only cleaned brass gets to my sizers.  And the primer pockets get a little cleaning too.  (The corn cob media I use is too fine to plug flash holes, I like that!)

Now, how did your experience with the Mink Oil as a case lube work out?
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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2008, 06:13:42 AM »
wncchester, it worked great! Glad I found under the kitchen sink. I gonna have to get one of those uni-decappers. Thanx. jd45

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« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2008, 06:15:45 AM »
47-70, please tell me a little about cast bullets & velocity in MC barrels, will you? Thanx, jd45

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Re: Lubing Inside of Bottle-Neck Cases
« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2008, 07:26:34 AM »
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