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TCR 87 or Ruger #1? Which one?
« on: May 10, 2008, 05:58:34 AM »
I have a dilemma.  I have a Ruger #1 stainless 7mm-08 and a TCR 87 in 30-06.  The #1 is LNIB, unfired, and the TCR is 98% according to Cabela's.  Both have great qualities.  Both excellent calibers. I don't know which one to keep.  My cabinet at home is too full and one will probably have to find a new home.  You guys are pretty knowledgeable about these things.  Which should go.?  Thanks for your input. 

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Re: TCR 87 or Ruger #1? Which one?
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2008, 06:24:44 AM »
For me it would be an easy choice. I am a big fan of the No.1 rifle.

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Re: TCR 87 or Ruger #1? Which one?
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2008, 04:07:43 PM »
I have owned or shot a BUNCH of .30-06s, including two TCRs.  They were the best built rifles this boy has ever had his hands on, but they were also the worst for recoil of any I have shot (and that includes the .375 H&H Magnum in a Remington 700).  Never shot a Ruger #1, but I think that would be the one I would keep.

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Re: TCR 87 or Ruger #1? Which one?
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2008, 02:19:58 AM »
I would keep the TCR, in a heartbeat.  The fit/finish/elegance puts a Ruger to shame, and I've owned both.

I would be between a rock and a hard place, if the choice were between the TCR and a real (classic) #1, like a blued/walnut RSI or Tropical, whatever; but the K-model stainless/lamo #1's, IMO, are a distortion of Bill Ruger's dream child - changed by the beancounters after his death as a marketing ploy.

I'm also of the opinion that any short cartridge (originally designed to allow for downsizing rifles) is misplaced in a #1, in which one is better served with a full-sized cartridge.

YMMV, of course - and (since Ruger sells a lot of them) evidently lots of folk's do (vary).
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Re: TCR 87 or Ruger #1? Which one?
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2008, 07:25:57 AM »
You should keep them both, like I did, and get rid of something else.  It would be really hard for me to part with my walnut/blue Ruger No. 1 in .257 Roberts and equally hard to part with the TCR 83 Aristocrat in 7mm-08 and .220 Swift.  Of course, I'm also addicted to my custom Contender from the old Texas Contenders outfit and a custom Martini in .25 Krag improved and....  Well, you get the picture; a person can't have too many rifles!

Sell a shotgun instead!

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Re: TCR 87 or Ruger #1? Which one?
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2008, 03:07:00 AM »
This would be a tough one. But with a simple answer, get a bigger cabinet, or better yet, a reasonable safe. One thing to keep in mind, if you get rid of that TCR, you may never get your hands on another. The only dealings I ever intend to do with mine is obtain more barrels. The No. 1 is also an excellent rifle. I'd keep both.

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Re: TCR 87 or Ruger #1? Which one?
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2008, 07:20:18 AM »
I think my problem has been solved. I found a 7mm-08 bbl for the TCR.  With the weight reduction, I think I will keep the TCR.  The Number 1 may/may not be up for sale soon.  Will think about that a bit.  Thanks for some good advice.  Jim

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Re: TCR 87 or Ruger #1? Which one?
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2008, 07:37:10 AM »
I have had a Ruger #1V and loved it.  But it went the way of many other guns that I should have kept.  I've seen TCR's, but never owned one.  I like the interchangeable barrels, but they are a bit pricey for me.  I have a couple of Contender carbines that are filling the bill as light varmint rifles now, and the barrels are still affordable.  Between the 2 guns, I would keep the TCR and stock up on barrels before they get priced out of sight.

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Re: TCR 87 or Ruger #1? Which one?
« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2008, 07:50:49 AM »
I had a Ruger No.1 Varmint in .22-250 and got rid of it because of vertical stringing of groups and missing a number of shots because of that problem. I now know how to solve that problem by properly bedding the forend. For best results the TCR's may also need some forend work. Some were factory free-floated and some were not. All my TCR forends are now free-floated. That is, there should be not woood contact with the barrels. In that way point of impact is not effected by tension of the forend screw. Also, keep the hinge pin well lubricated for consistent shot to shot vibrations for best accuracy. A good bolt gun probably has better accuracy potential than either the No1 or the TCR, but either is plenty good enough for hunting. Also, a single shot is not much of a handicap for hunting. If one can't hit with the first shot at a standing animal, he probably can't make a second or third shot at a running animal. Full length resizing is needed for handloading with the TCR while the Ruger may only require neck sizing. Therefore brass will last longer for handloaders using the Ruger. For the hunter (except prairie dog shooters) this is not important and I think the TCR's break-over design is more convenient for hunting. That is, for safety it is easy to just break it open when one may slip like when crossing a fence or stream. I think it is faster and easier to load the TCR, except maybe off a bench rest. Extra barrels are an advantage of the TCR, including ones chambered for shotguns. If one gets creative and is willing to spend a little on gunsmithing, it is possible to have some barrels not available from the factory. For example I have a couple in .17 Hornet and one in .50-140 Sharps. I don't feel too bad about having gotten rid of the Ruger 1, but I will keep my TCR's and a pretty good assortment of barrels to go with them. There are a couple other advantanges of the TCR. Bore guides are available for bolt actions to protectect them while cleaning, but not for single shots. However, one can make a jig for cleaning TCR barrels. If high-mounted, big scopes are used on a TCR, one can have a buttstock with a cheek piece high enoug for good cheek support and still be able to clean barrels from the breech since barrels can be removed for cleaning.

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Re: TCR 87 or Ruger #1? Which one?
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2008, 04:10:45 AM »
Thanks for all the input.  I decided to keep the TCR. Got a 7mm-08 and a 223 bbl for it and sold the 30-06 bbl
and the Ruger #1.   I guess it came down to the break open, because I really have a thing for Savage 219's.  Just wanted a little more range than 30-30 at times. 

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Re: TCR 87 or Ruger #1? Which one?
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2008, 02:56:51 AM »
I can understand that. The break opens just seem to have a "style" all their own. As far as range with a 30-30, I just turned my 30-30 model 219 into a 30-30 Ackley Imp. Sure makes a nice looking cartridge. Probably will add 100-200 fps. Now I just need the time to work with it.

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Re: TCR 87 or Ruger #1? Which one?
« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2008, 10:19:43 AM »
Can some one show a pic. of a TCR  ?????. Thanks

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Re: TCR 87 or Ruger #1? Which one?
« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2008, 10:29:15 AM »
Here are a couple. The one with the double trigger is a TCR-83 (with a custom made stock) and the one with the Single trigger is a TCR-87. The barrels are interchangeable between the two, except the actions have to have the magnum modification to accept the magnum barrels. Some TCR-87's had double triggers. I think the only real difference between the two is the angle of the stock bolt. That is, butt stocks are not interchangeable between my TCR-83 an my TCR-87's.