public perception of the nra

[myronman3]

i think it is funny.   this has gone right back to bashing the g.o.a..  ridiculous.  some people just cant help themselves i suppose.   whatever. 

Consider on this site when I offer my opinion it often sets some posters off because I don't care for their choice . The stating of my reason often is like pouring gas on a fire .  Instead of supporting their choice and letting the chips fall where they may they often make personal attacks .

  o/t, but the way i remember it,  you ran others down because they had a different preferance than you.   then you demeaned a member, then another,  and now are whining about personal attacks.   the most that has happened is  that you were called out for using !!!!! after each sentence, which makes your posts painful to read.   
  i suppose i could call others names and this crap would never end.  the bitterness is astounding. 

[SHOOTALL]

I was talking about how people feel about the NRA !
Thanks for proving my point !

[skarke]

Guys, I love this forum.  It is a large part of my entertainment and information source, and you fine people are wonderful to converse with.

First, I don't care what the general public thinks of the NRA.  The GP is bought and paid for by the government that educates (indoctrinates) our youth and feeds us misinformation through the liberal press.  The NRA only has enough money to educate the few of us who care about gun rights and to give us the tools so that we can convince the GP of the error of its ways.

The republican party, more specifically, the northeastern liberal, elitist branch of the republican party, killed our best chance of changing for the better this great country's direction by blocking the innovative legislation passed in the House of Representatives in the mid '90s.  The Contract with America, as it was once known.

So, because of increasingly poor leadership, dissension in the ranks of the republican party, and out of control spending for the past 10 years, we've sunk our own boat.  We are going to get our clocks cleaned, and deservedly so.  Look forward to a filibuster proof democratic majority in the Senate and 25 more seats in the House ceded to the commies.

Bottom line, bend over and kiss your beloved gun rights goodbye.  It's over, stick a fork in them, they are done.  The coming generation is more liberal, more socialist, and more religiously GREEN than anything we have seen to date, and more scarily, they are beginning to vote.

If we want change, speak up!!!  Educate our kids about the founding of this Country, its great Constitution, Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Property, or it won't just be the guns we say goodbye to, it'll be all of our possessions and capital, then our right to speak in public forums like these, because we all know that we are just hate speaking (punishable as a criminal offense) ultra right wing storm troopers anyway (so the opposition would like our children to believe)

FWIW.  

[Redhawk1]

myronman3,
No one is bashing the GOA. if that was your perception.

If I said one thing that was out of line or a lie, tell me which it was?

I just responded to nw_hunter post. No BS, just facts. Sorry if you don't like the message.

But it is OK for you to bash the NRA and make all the accusations you have. Now tell me that is not  "ridiculous"

[myronman3]

it is nice too see you left all your baggage behind.  where did i call you a liar? 

[Redhawk1]

myronman3 you are not capable of having an intelligent conversation with anyone. You try to put words in peoples mouths, nowhere did I say you called me a lair. I just said show me when I was bashing the GOA and if I told a lie or was out of line, with anything I said about the GOA..

I don't think you have the capacity to hold a conversation without trying to get personal or try to start an argument. The reason people start getting defensive is because they have not ligament response.

So again I ask, if I said anything that was not true about the GOA, let me know what it was. You don't have a problem with bashing the NRA, but if someone mentions the GOA you get upset. Are you even a member of the GOA? I would bet not. You just like to bash the NRA whenever you get the chance.

I actually think you get great pleasure trying to get under my skin, knowing I am such a out spoken NRA supporter.

But this time around, you are not going to get under my skin, I know all your tricks and tactics. Sad very sad. 

[SHOOTALL]

Redhawk , did i ever tell ya about wrestling with a pig in the mud ? The pig loves it and you only get mud on ya !
Your last post is Good !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

THE NRA DOES SOME GOOD !

[Redhawk1]

 SHOOTALL, I know what you are saying about the pig. But sometimes we just have to get muddy to prove our point.

The only way we can defeat anti-gun people and NRA bashes is to drop to there level of fighting to beat them. I can understand having an argument with an anti-gun person, at least I know where they stand. But I don't understand why gun owner have to stoop to anti-gun levels and mentality and fight pro-gun supporters as we have here. I am baffled that some guys actually think they are going good fighting amougst ourselves. The Anti-gun crowd loves to see this.

[oldandslow]

We won't have guns in a few shot years. We can't agree on any thing about opposing the anti-gunners. Bring up the NRA. Instant bickering that degenerates into name calling and personal attacks. Anyone that posts something that is reasonable is ignored. Anyone that joins the NRA is a sheeple. A bunch arguing this sound like four year olds. I'm right, no you aren't, yes I am. The anti's are united and we fight amongst ourselves like a bunch of little kids.

Anyone ever consider what a political force we would be if just half of the gun owners in America would join the NRA and we would also have the power to change the organization to what we want. If you are not a NRA member you don't have the right to complain about it just like if you don't vote you don't have the right to complain about the government you have.

I don't remember who said it but "united we stand, divided we fall," and we are certainly divided.

I know this won't change one person's mind. So get ready to see the end of the 2nd amendment in a few years. We will still be arguing about which gun rights organization is doing the most for us when they come to get your guns.

[myronman3]

and now the thread has degenerated to members calling me a pig because they dont like my view.  oh so predictable;  and nice. 

  oh yeah,  the old 'divided we fall' crap.   you guys kill me.  keep kidding yourselves.  i have side stepped this at every turn on this thread and you keep bringing it up.   the nra has done more to sell your rights than any other organization i can think of.   keep on buy what they are selling, it is your money.  but dont think for a second they are your or my friend.   but anyhow, now you have gotten me off track, and that aint going to happen again.

[dukkillr]

Ever notice how the "we all need to stick together" argument is always invoked in support of a persons own opinion? 

For instance, Redhawk doesn't say, "We all need to stick together so I'm going to consider your opinion and treat it with respect..."
Instead it's, "We all need to stick together so you're dumb and you need to see things my way..."

Just once I want to hear someone say that we all need to stick together and therefor they are changing their opinion so we can be on the same team. 

[Redhawk1]

dukkillr, you and myronman3 must think very much alike. I am not the only person in this discussion, but you two feel compelled to address my comments only. Does anyone else see this as well?

Please tell me why I need to change my opinion, I am not the one bashing the NRA.  Why should I accept you or your buddy as pro-gun supporters when you think the NRA is agents gun owners? I am perplexed at your way of thinking.

You want me to change my opinion of what?  I don't want you on the same team as me, you have proved, you are not a supporter of the NRA, so why in the world would I want you on my team. I don't want destruction from within.

No I do not have to respect your opinion, you have "never" respected mine. Respect goes both way, respect is earned not just given.

oldandslow, makes some great points, but I am sure you will just cast them aside also.

The strongest comment made by oldandslow, and it is so true.

(Anyone ever consider what a political force we would be if just half of the gun owners in America would join the NRA and we would also have the power to change the organization to what we want. If you are not a NRA member you don't have the right to complain about it just like if you don't vote you don't have the right to complain about the government you have.)

oldandslow, sure it seems we are fighting like 4th graders, but if left unchallenged, you last comment is not far off base.

People can sit here and complain about the NRA and yet do nothing to change it. You cannot change something from the outside, you can only change it from within.

If every gun owner became a NRA member, we could make changes. Like I said before, I don't agree with everything the NRA does and I would love to see change for the better of the NRA, but whining about it is not going to change one thing except the perception people have of you.

[thxmrgarand]

Democracy is not majority rule, instead it is rule by the majority who show up.  Participating in the NRA is one way my wife and I show up.  We also register voters, go door-to-door for pro-gun candidates, help put on fundraising events for pro-gun candidates, pay for NRA memberships for new members, help put on special shoots that help the gun rights issue, etc. etc.  If I thought that the NRA was headed in the wrong direction then I would run for the NRA board, work to elect board candidates who shared my point of view, or both.  In my view, the best indicators that the NRA is effective and headed in the right direction is the respect given it by the anti-gun media (such as National Public Radio recently covering the NRA convention), and anti-gun politicians crediting (or blaming) the NRA for their defeats.  I've managed large organizations, including private sector firms, and therefore I know that not everything that happens in an outfit is controllable and not everything that is tried will work.  From that standpoint, the NRA does a great job in difficult times.  I know of many issues and professions that wish they had an organization like the NRA to defend them.  The NRAILA is in my will.   Thanks for your time.

[myronman3]

Ever notice how the "we all need to stick together" argument is always invoked in support of a persons own opinion? 

For instance, Redhawk doesn't say, "We all need to stick together so I'm going to consider your opinion and treat it with respect..."
Instead it's, "We all need to stick together so you're dumb and you need to see things my way..."

Just once I want to hear someone say that we all need to stick together and therefor they are changing their opinion so we can be on the same team. 

you just hit the nail on the head.   
 
posts like the one thxmrgarand made, while i dont agree with, i can respect.  points are made intelligently, without the demeaning 'my way or the highway' tone.   good post.   

If every gun owner became a NRA member, we could make changes.

wouldnt lapierre's bank account love that?  i love it when members snivel that line.  ever think that the MAJORITY of gun owners see the nra for what it is?  or maybe, THE NRA DOESNT REPRESENT ALL OF  AMERICAN GUN OWNERS.   i could say i represent all people with blue eyes; but does that make it even remotely true?  oh, but if only all people with blue eyes would send me money, think of what a mansion i could live in, ahem...i mean.. think of the great changes we could make!     face it, that turd just doesnt float.  oh, and "you cannot change something from the outside"   baloney.   you dont send them moeny, educate folks to the scam, and then watch as they whither out of existance.   

[Redhawk1]

myronman3,
I don't think you even know what you are saying. It just does not make any since at all.

You take all my post as demeaning, that is because you and I don't like each other, no other reason.

You want people to respect your point of view and then you want to pick and choose who's point of view your respect. (what a joke)

The reason people approach you with no respect, is because you don't show any respect to them. Treat others as you want to be treated.

I lost respect for you a long time ago, I don't think that will change any time soon either.

But to be back on the topic at hand, I was at the gun shop the other day, and I asked a group of 23 people that were there shooting and buying guns, what there perception of the NRA was, and I was pleased to hear they thought the NRA has been doing a great job, and like I said before and some of the guys said the same thing, they did not like everything 100% that  the NRA does, but for the most part they support them.
I asked if they thought the NRA was falling out of graces with gun owners and they said no. So the public perception of the NRA has not changes as I know it.

[myronman3]

I asked if they thought the NRA was falling out of graces with gun owners and they said no. So the public perception of the NRA has not changes as I know it.

all bs aside, that is what i was curious about.