What was the provocation ?

[ironglow]

    Some of the adherents of the religion of "peace", today fired some explosive rockets into a marketplace in Ashkelon, Israel..

    I guess those women & kids that were shopping may have been "insulting the prophet"...or something !

[myronman3]

like they needed an excuse.   

[SHOOTALL]

At what point is a nuke the proper response ?

[billy_56081]

Normal everyday thing for the worlds cancer, Islam.

[powderman]

The Godless ones live to kill innocents. That's their purpose in life. Following the example of their false prophet mohamed. POWDERMAN. Does the term Godless subhuman sobs come to mind??? POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

  The rocket was launched from Dagit; one of those formerly Israeli towns evacuated about 3 years ago in the "land for peace" deal the rest of the world
  practically forced upon the Israelis...

     "Land for peace" sure makes a lot of sense......

                                             Just about as much sense as "oil for peace" made with the "other Hussein"... and the UN.

[ironglow]

  Search and destroy units (including our own)..search and destroy terrorists..

   Indiscriminate rocket attacks are just that..indiscriminate..

     In any case, it proves the futility of doing any "land for peace" deal with the fanatics..

[ironglow]

  TM..
  Explain this mythical "Romans 13 thing"..as far as I am concerned, you are operating under some kind of delusional seizure. I do hope you know just how silly you sound by repeating
  something about Romans 13..
   It can only be another of your conspiracy theories..so if you bring the accusation again, with no explanation of your apparently delusion theory concerning Romans 13, I find no
    reason to even pay you any heed !

[ironglow]

  TM;

  I found your link over on the "Mecca time" thread. All I can say is that sounds like some kind of local, deal between a fire dept chaplin and local authorities.
  There surely is no plan to conspire with the govt in such a manner as a nationwide phenomena, because it wouldn't work. Bedsides, the liberal, mainline
   churches would be all over it like white on rice !
     It really looks like a KSLA reporter was facing a dull day, and decided to "spice it up" a bit ! Most of the story evidently came from his own mind...

[billy_56081]

Obviously our resident antisemites arguments are running out of steam, therefore he changes the subject. Joseph Gerbils would have been proud to have him in his propaganda ministry.


I'm sure the main provocation for the cancerous murder cult of Islam is that the people of Israel were breathing.

[ironglow]

  Honestly TM, I see no connection.because one Shreveport Fire Company Chaplin made a deal with local sheriff..doesn't mean the rule applies beyond those two people.
   It could as easily have been the Boy Scout leader of a local troop that made such a deal...I sure wouldn't expect it to apply to all Boy Scout troops and all sheriffs across
  the nation !

   Back to .What was the provocation? I suspect it was just because the Jews in Ashkelon were living and breathing ?
  It is indeed difficult to begin have empathy with such murderous people as these attackers ...so filled with HATRED !
  How in the world do you do it ?

[ironglow]

  I believe the "dog in the manger" is possibly a statement by Winston Churchill..sounds like something of his authorship. ...But as great a man as he was, that
   doesn't mean he was always correct. e.g... I think the invasion of Normandy was more advantageous than his "soft underbelly" idea..
  He was perhaps the greatest statesman of the 20th century, with only R Reagan in the same league, but in this area of history/theology, he may have been
  just a tad deficient ...
  The whole idea that the present day people forced out of Trans-Jordan by other Arabs,are the heirs to Israel and environs, even if they have taken on the name,
   "Palestinians".

      Then too, you really should not grieve over the loss of land through the 1967 war. In 1967 the Muslim powers in the area decided to obliterate Israel, and they
    decided to try to do it during a special, sacred time on the Jewish calendar, Yom Kippur..this from people who expect others to respect their "Ramadan"..
    They tried, they failed..and got their "heads handed to them " by the valiant Israeli military. The Jews then were gracious enough to  give the Siani back to Egypt,
   but couldn't afford to give back all the land that the Palestinians were squatted upon. The Palestinians had by then, proven to be untrustworthy as neighbors..
   Some folks figure that the Israeli should not have given the Sina back to Egypt !i

[powderman]

IRONGLOW. Good post. You have more patience that I my friend. POWDERMAN.

[deltecs]

I am supposed to believe anything from an article published in a Tehran newspaper?  The concept is beyond belief.  Iran held our US legitimate embassy personel without just cause for over 1 1/2 years, and now I'm to believe what it written in its newspapers.  I have problems believing most things in my local liberal slanted newspaper.  How can anyone, except those isolationist Americans and Muslims, beleive this tripe.  Blame can be pointed at all sides, but we did not kidnap another governments embassy staff and support terrorists and terrorism.  All our military is under control of government and not clerics or religious fanatics. 

[ironglow]

  We should believe NOTHING emanating from Teheran, they are terrorists that harbored criminal kidnappers for a year and a half ! Any Regime that will allow criminals to
  hold another countriy's entire diplomatic staff under criminal kidnap conditions for 1.5 years, is obviously, criminal themselves...
     

      Pictured below..Ahmadinijab..ahhh..Jimmyjab during the kidnapping and today..

[ironglow]

  That's really some wonderful terrorists..er..ah ..people you are defending ...TM !

[ironglow]

  TM;
  I am defending the United states of America and the leader our people have elected..and especially our gallant troops..who are "standing in the gap" for the rest of us !
   
    It appears obvious to almost everybody here that you are defending the Muslim monarchies and theocracies...

   Who can recall when TM had ANYTHING good to say about America ?..The same America many of us have not only vocally, at times physically..defended all our lives.

   
       "OCTOBER SURPRISE" ! TM..you have now outdone yourself..that October surprise has been investigated over and over so many time by so many different groups
  and every time the answer came back..groundless ! It was an invention by losing Democrat party operatives, trying to comfort Jimmy C...plain and simple.
     Only the most rabid "conspiracy theory' websites even bother with it ! Others don't care to look so foolish !

[powderman]

IRONGLOW. I don't EVER remember tm saying anything good about America or Israel. He only supports the Godless ones. He should move there, be with his friends, beat his wife, put bombs on his children, this is what he supports. POWDERMAN. 

[oldandslow]

TM7, I have a question for you. Do you post the stuff you do on here because you truly believe it or just to stir up arguments? I'm not with you or against you, just curious.

[deltecs]

TM7, I have a question for you. Do you post the stuff you do on here because you truly believe it or just to stir up arguments? I'm not with you or against you, just curious.

.
   I try to post facts by reputable people. On this paly-issy topic I choose to post comments by jewish writers that are tired of their own right wingers stirring up the stink.  When I post stuff that doesn't jive with the prevalent 'war party' view I get attacked by incoming missiles of the personally accusative kind. So, when I retaliate with my own missile barrage, often pretty excoriating with words of mass distruction, they don't like it.  Imagine that! 
  On the topic of American politics I believe we are headed in the wrong direction led by hyjackers with an agenda that is not good for all us that want the best for America and people all over.  BTW, I think McCain is one of those hyjackers and it is absolutely imperative to keep him out of office and pray/vote for gridlock in Congress...sort of the Ann Coulter program.
  So, to answer your question,,,,No, not here to cause trouble, I'm pretty serious and people don't like it causes it challenges some concepts. GB has been gracious to allow some of this stuff to be looked at in spite of all the hullabaloo.  Really all about what this country stands for and means.  To answer you question any further, you have to ask me more specific questions.  There's an old Navajo saying though, You can't wake a man faking sleep.

...TM7

I must disagree with this post.  Just because America is not going the idealistic path envisioned by isolationist citizens, is not reason enough to expound conspiracy theories, confuse facts as you see them and post those as originating from reputable people, and in general incite firearms owners not to vote for the only winnable candidate in the Presidential Campaign that supports them.  I just cannot agree several of Ron Pauls campiagn issues.  I cannnot agree with anyone who attempts to divide firearms owners, so anti gun politicians can be elected to office.  This happened with Ross Peroe and we got Clinton, one of the worst Presidents ever.  Liar, cheat, thief, and socialistic to the point of communism.  Obama's rhetoric reminds my of Slick Willy.  Same glib talk, same distorsion of facts, same incompetency, and the results will be the same, if not much worse and that is my presumption.  All you are doing is isolating yourself from common sense working men and women, just to feed your idealism and justify the attacks on a President and his policies because you do not agree with them.  I've had enough of reading and attempts to logically correct inaccuracies from conjecture and slanted conclusions derived from dubious, if reputable sources.  You are sounding like Gore on Global Warming and radical extremists who don't get their own way.  Get a life and try to find the positives in it.

[oldandslow]

Thanks for the answer TM7. I don't agree with you about McCain. I would have preferred someone else but either one of the two hoping to be the democratic candidate is so bad that I have to vote for him. It is truly voting against someone and not for someone in this coming election. Grid lock in Congress would be nice but I doubt it will happen and I certainly don't want to see the country controlled by democrats. I really think the ideal situation is to have one party control Congress and the President be from the other party. That way nothing much gets done and if new laws are not being passed that bunch in Washington can't do us as much harm. Pretty negative way to look at things but consider what happens every time we have one party in control of everything in Washington.

Please remember this, if you vote for someone who has no chance of being elected you are helping the Democratic candidate. We all know what Hillary stands for. All we know about Obama is he stands for change and hope. But change to and hope for what we don't know because he has never told us.

[powderman]

DELTECS. There ya go making sense again, but ya can't talk sense to those that have none.
OLDANDSLOW. Sorry to say it but tm believes all that trash. POWDERMAN. 

[deltecs]

I just consider the source when one Dem has constantly opposed firearms and the other claims to be Christian with Muslim upbringings.  If McCain is the worst of these candidates, then someone unamed should be committed in a strait jacket.

[ironglow]

   Supposedly, when a Muslim converts to Christianity, he/she is worth nothing more than to die. We have seen incidents where fathers have murdered daughters
   simply because they anticipated such an event !  Once a Muslim..always a Muslim..or you're dead..
     Now we have a guy running for prez, that claims to have turned his back on Islam and joined a "Christian" church ..and claims to have become one !
   Strangely, he is praised by Muslims such as Farrakhan and is even endorsed by Hamas, the Palestinian terrorist group. How could this be..is he a Christian,
    or a Muslim  ..pretending to be a Christian ?

    We do by now, realize that sleeper cells have been in this country for decades..

    For further info, do a Google search for <  muslim americans for obama video  >   you will find many sites, just pick one that actually shows the video.
   Then listen for the sound effects at the end..a message for the rest of us ?

[deltecs]

For your information, the big picture is an armed society and armed individuals.  It is you, who have and are attempting to confuse the issues with the big picture or lack thereof, none of which can work within an armed society.  I do not delude myself into believing we have freedoms of any kind, just because they are enumerated in the Constitution.  It is the armed American that prevents foreign invasion, high crime rates, a polite society, and relative strict compliance with constructionist Constitutional principles by government.  I deem an armed society, to be of the utmost importance in protectiing and defending our rights and freedoms, both from without and within, according the guidelines written by our founding fathers.  Yours included.  Any deviation from this firstmost, survival principle and all other rights and freedoms are questionable, as such are subject to the whims of intellectuals and power grabbers.  If the shoe fits, wear it, Cinderella; and search for your own Camelot.  I've found mine and it is in an armed society.

[billy_56081]

There you go again TM7 trying to change the subject. The provocation was simple, the jews in Israel were breathing and living a relatively free life. Now muslims can't stand for that and must attack anyone not of the muslim faith and having relative freedom. I know the jews and living relatively free in Israel conflicts with your antisemetic beliefs.

[oldandslow]

I know that a bunch of you think the NRA is worth nothing but you should read the interview with McCain in the new issue of American Rifleman. At least he takes a position which is more than you can say for the other two.

[deltecs]

I just consider the source when one Dem has constantly opposed firearms and the other claims to be Christian with Muslim upbringings.  If McCain is the worst of these candidates, then someone unamed should be committed in a strait jacket.

.
Deltecs...For cryin out loud...the election is more than just about firearm ownership this time around and if we want to own our guns in the end we can not subordinate to the McCain agendi as you profer and insist.  You and other sycophants want to scare off voters from even considering other issues and the big picture, trying to hinge your candidate on ONE single issue again to salvage your hyjacked and wounded GOP; and an issue that McCain at best is very weak on. IF you want to stop legalista gun grabbers than 1 million gun owners hit the street in DC while simultaneously other gun owners hit the streets in other major centers. You have to act up. Nothing, repeat nothing, ever game about by sublimation, and anything significant that ever happened in the USA came about from disruption, same in the rest of the world too; and this is what it will get down to ultimately anyway, only you will now have gunowners from all persuasions with you. Yet you want guys that have a big stake in gun ownership and rights in general to acquiesce and sublimate and vote for a candidate that is worse than the other 2 put together and who is in the last analysis,,, is a gun grabber too...if his support of the gun show loophole closure is just a small indication.!.  What are you hawking anyway? And face it,  most all politicians are anti guns for free citizens and that's just the way it is .

..TM7

If I'm not mistaken, I thought someone had posted elsewhere that he envisioned a government on issues supported by Ron Paul.  Now he contradicts himself by saying Paul is not electable, so chooses candidates that most differ from Pauls position and then says, it is part of the big picture.  What big picture do the anti gun Dems running for President, have in common with Paul?  If there is any, then my opinion of Paul has lessened, in light of his supporters, and his political positions.   

[Graybeard]

So TM7 does that mean you prefer the winner of the Obama Klinton race for the dumocrap nomination? One of the three will be the next president the only question is which one.

[ironglow]

GB is totally correct...we presently have 3 choices, soon to be two..so let's be "grown up" and take a look at our final choice !
   
      A) In one, we have a guy that was born to a Muslin father (black) who started him in Islam..then split, and left his mother and him desolate; so he
     was actually raised by his Mother & grandparents ( all white). Yet he lives, breathes and identifies himself black, attends a "black" church for 20 years
     that seems to hate every color except black (especially hating white). Now there's GRATITUDE for you !
         
             He cozies up with Muslims..yet claims to be a convert from Islam..historically an intractable position ! He is the MOST LIBERAL single person in the
      senate..worse than the likes of Hillary, Schumer and old Teddy. He hangs around with unrepentant former Commie terrorists (Wm Ayers). He has been
     against private ownership of guns in the past, and if elected will try to grab our guns at the first available opportunity.
        He wants to raise taxes... yours, mine and every other person that works for a living..
    The church he attends regularly, plainly states that it owes it's FIRST allegiance to Africa and Africans...In 2004 the Demoncrats claimed that any viable
     presidential candidate MUST be a combat veteran..as far as we know, the only uniform he ever wore was the Muslim militia uniform he put on in Africa.

           Many of us are not so sure but what he may be a Muslim "sleeper"..a "Manchurian candidate"..

      B) The other choice...is not the FIRST choice of many of us, including myself ! Yet, he was born to a Christian, Navy Admiral father..whose father also was
       a Navy Admiral. I have never seen him even talk race, so obviously there is no RACIST talk..Neither his father nor his mother deserted him, so he has no such
     hatred built up from childhood. He undoubtedly identifies himself as white..but with his Navy career and senatorial life along with his church have probably mol-
     ded him into a very tolerant person.
        He has always defended the basics of the second amendment ..He wants to REDUCE taxes ...and government !
     The church he attends regularly does not push the "white" or "black" church disinformation and the churches that have endorsed him publicly (Hagee & Parsons)
     are unabashedly 100% America boosters.
     
  I do not like his liberal side, one of the more liberal of the Republican senators...yet more conservative than all Demoncrat senators ! That puts him just above center
    on the list, while (A) remains solidly on the bottom.
   
   He assuredly IS a combat veteran, a victim of REAL torture..and there is absolutely no doubt where his loyalty lies ! No worry about his being a"closet Muslim" or
   a friend of a Communist terrorist..he preached services in POW camp and was TORTURED by Communist terrorists !

           Time for us all to "grow up"..we may not be getting our FIRST choice..but we do have a choice..


      See below ..each in his appropriate "uniform"..can you guess which may be the REAL PATRIOT...