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Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« on: May 14, 2008, 04:15:21 PM »
Well I got my new B & C Medalist Tac/Var stock in the mail today and my Burris Xtreme tactical bases came yesterday so I decided to get the camera out tonight.  The burris bases were cheap so I ordered them to play with for now, but they'll be replaced by a good 20 MOA one piece base when I get the funds.  Anyway  heres a pic of the rifle straight from the factory, and another pic of the rifle after my additions:

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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2008, 02:45:15 AM »
Boy oh boy am I jealous. Great looking set up and in a 7MM-08 to boot. Let us know how it shoots. Dale
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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2008, 06:26:20 AM »
Nice!

You getting a scope that doesn't have enough elevation?

I was thinking about getting the 20MOA IOR base but realistically, I won't be shooting far enough to need it. I guess for another 10.00 it couldn't hurt though.

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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2008, 04:07:43 PM »
Sniper,  I'm still debating on what base and scope to get for the rifle.  I'm pretty set on a 20 MOA base but still not sure on the scope.  I may put some quick disconnect rings on one of my hunting scopes and use it on this rifle for deer hunting and such and get another scope set up specifically for long range paper punching.  I have a Burris 3-9X40 mounted on the rifle right now in Leupold rifleman mounts and it looks pretty ridiculous but it'll work to test some loads until I get a proper scope and mounts set up.  I'm leaning toward the Burris Tactical rings because of the price and the reviews I've read and maybe a Warne, Leatherwood, or IOR 20 MOA base, and either a SS or Elite 6500 scope.  Of course I still have to get a Harris bipod but that'll be one of the last things I add.

With my current income, I suspect it'll be a few months or more before I get a good scope put on it.  I'll add more pictures as I add more parts.

Dale, I'm pretty impressed with the stock so far, especially considering the price but only time will tell how well made it is.  I'm headed to the range this weekend to try some handloads.  I'll give a report as soon as I get the chance.

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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2008, 04:12:59 PM »
Sounds like a solid plan of attack, looking forward to updates!!

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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2008, 04:18:23 PM »
kind of a pic by pic build along although my pics are not nearly as flattering as NONYA's.  I need to get that guy to take some pics of my rifle; Hell just seeing his pictures would make me like my rifle even more.  ha,ha

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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2008, 04:19:35 PM »
I do understand the current income thing for sure. I am still trying to get the money together for my 16 power Super Sniper scope. I have yet been able to make it to the range this year because of money troubles. Much less kill a Groundhog. By this time last year I killed at least 30. I have decided I am not going to do this half assed. I am going to buy the scope I want or none at all. I am also not going through this crap again with my wife again. I ended up selling my scope and my stock to this rifle last winter and I still don't have it back together. I am just plain pissed. Dale
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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2008, 04:23:43 PM »
kind of a pic by pic build along although my pics are not nearly as flattering as NONYA's.  I need to get that guy to take some pics of my rifle; Hell just seeing his pictures would make me like my rifle even more.  ha,ha

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If you were to send him your rifle to take some pictures. I am sure he would be nice enough to send you some pictures in return for such a nice rifle. LOL. Dale
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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2008, 05:09:24 PM »
Dale are you on NONYA's payroll??  :)  ha!  Heck the way his pics look, I would miss this rifle about as much as I'd miss an arm everytime I looked at them (the pics that is).  With all the plans I have for it I really hope this rifle turns out to be a shooter.  I haven't seen a Remmy yet that wasn't (Knock on wood) but I really have my hopes high for this one.  All I have now are some 140 grain pills from midway, but I'm gonna get some 154 and 162 grain hornady's and try them as soon as I can get some more primers.

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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2008, 02:17:31 AM »
KenSel - A very nice before and after! I also transformed my 700LTR from this :


To this yesterday:

Even though the rifle had a HS Precision it was a very slimmed down stock that was not the best for bench shooting. I like the vertical grip of the Medalist and the wider flat fore end should be more stable on the front rest. I might try it out later on my SPS Varmint.

Unfortunately I had to file down my front action screw , when I first secured the stock the bolt would not open!

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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2008, 02:42:54 PM »
700 223,  thats a sharp looking set up you got there.  I'm surprised you had to file the action screw down considering the H.S. stock is slimmer than the B & C stock.  I figured I may have to do a little fitting to get mine to lock up tight but it was a perfect fit right out of the box. 

I finally took the rifle to the range today to test 4 different handloads I put together.  The rifle fit well but the shape of the stock made it hard to use ear muffs because I had the scope mounted low.  The rifle rested well on my rest but because the benches at the range are so high and the chairs are so short using the rest put the rifle to high to comfortably shoot.  I ended up turning my rest sideways and resting the rifle on the frame so I could comfortably shoulder and shoot the rifle.  Overall the stock really added a lot of stability to the rifle and would work perfectly with a bench and chair set at the proper height.

Now for the range report.  Well I mounted a Burris FFII 3-9X40 scope on the gun to use to test loads until I get the proper scope for it.  It was a beautiful day here today and there was just a small breeze when I left the house to drive the 30 minutes to the range.  When I got to the range the wind was gusting and swirling in all directions at speeds between 20 and 30 mph.  I was a little pi$$ed but oh well I could still get an idea of what kind of accuracy potential the rifle had.  I unloaded the truck and started setting everything up; that's when I noticed the benches were too high and the chairs were too low, oh well I figure something out.  So I put the rifle on my rest and removed the bolt and lined the bore up with an orange dot down at the 100yd mark, then I looked through the crosshairs and starting turning the knobs until the crosshairs were on the orange dot also, I looked through the bore again to make sure it was still on the orange dot and then I put the caps back on and got settled to shoot.  I fired a few shots to get the scope zeroed and then I let the barrel cool. 
I didn't clean the barrel between shots or groups, I simply fired a 5 shot group, let the barrel cool, and then fired another 5 shot group.  I tried 4 different hand loads all of them were in new Remington brass using CCI large rifle primers, and 140 grain spitzer bullets I got from midway, COL was 2.781" for all loads.

Group 1:  44 grains Big Game
              First 3 shot measured 0.56", shots 4 & 5 opened it up to 1.29"

Group 2:  44 grains IMR 4350
              measured 1.47"

Group 3:  46 grains Big Game
             measured 1.83"

Group 4:  46 grains IMR 4350
              measured 1.41"

Given the circumstances I am very pleased with the rifles accuracy with all the loads tried and I'm really looking forward to putting together and testing more loads in this rifle.  I'm gonna load up some 162 grain A-Max bullets and try them out soon, I really hope this rifle likes them.

I'll try to get some pics posted tonight.

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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2008, 03:17:25 PM »
Ken I don't own a set of earphones to speak of. What I do use at the range is a set of those rubber inserts that are on a string. I am a little hard of hearing to begin with but these work well for me. I am not talking about those soft things that you kind of roll between your fingers. Then insert them into your ears. The ones I use are made of rubber with like three flanges on them. Looks like you still have a little work to do with your loads. I am sure that your rifle will shoot much better than you have posted. Did you clean the barrel real well before you ever fired it? That is very important if you did not. I really expect your rifle to shoot well under MOA once you find the right bullet powder combination. Keep up the good work Dale
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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2008, 02:23:48 AM »
 
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700 223,  thats a sharp looking set up you got there.  I'm surprised you had to file the action screw down considering the H.S. stock is slimmer than the B & C stock. 

Thanks for the compliment! Yeah , it appears the barreled action on the 700 LTR sits in the B&C bedding block a tad deeper than it does in the HS stock. Out of curiosity I decided to install the Medalist on my 700 SPS and there was no bolt lock up! I measured the length of the front action screw on the SPS and it was indeed shorter than the LTR before I took the file to it.

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Did you clean the barrel real well before you ever fired it? That is very important if you did not. I really expect your rifle to shoot well under MOA once you find the right bullet powder combination.

Agreed , my SPS out of the box really needed a good bore cleaning. Also agree once you find the right load and don't have to shoot in high winds the accuracy will probably exceed your expectations! Good luck next time out!

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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2008, 03:14:55 PM »
I'm ashamed to say that I haven't given the rifle a proper cleaning yet.  My garage is packed so full of stuff for a yard sale that I can't get my bench set up to work on my rifles and cleaning them in the house is out of the question with my wife.  I was going to take them outside and clean them but it doesn't stop raining long enough to do much more than mow and rake the yard.  I'm gonna try to give the rifle a good scrub down tomorrow after work if the weather permits. 

here's a pic of the groups.

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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2008, 03:38:02 PM »
I really don't know if any harm has been done!!!!!!! I do know Remington says to clean it till your patch is clean. I myself and anyone else I know do clean new guns thoroughly so I can't really say for sure if it has affected the accuracy of your rifle or even damaged it. I guess you will find out next time out after you give it a good cleaning. Dale
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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2008, 03:20:30 PM »
Dale, hopefully it'll be ok.  This is the first rifle that I've shot without cleaning it first so I'm not sure.  I've just been so busy lately that when I finally got a free day I just ran to the range and forgot about cleaning it. 

Well I finally cleaned the rifle good last night.  I used Birchwood Casey "Gun Scrubber" and sprayed everything down and wiped it and let it dry and then I sprayed it down with Rem Oil, now whenever I work the bolt or flip the safety on or off it feels like sand paper scraping.  Is this normal?  I bought some M-Pro 7 oil today to put on it because I don't like the rough gritty feel it has to it now.  I thought the Rem Oil would do a better job of lubing the parts but it feels really rough.  Any suggestions?

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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2008, 03:49:07 PM »
Take the action out of the stock and get in there and look for whats causing that sand paper feeling. If it wasn't there before and is now, some foreign matter might have gotten in there.

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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #17 on: May 20, 2008, 05:01:44 PM »
I have to say that is not normal by any means. Did you lay your rifle in the dirt and maybe got dirt in the action some how? I say pull the bolt and clean everything real good again. My rifle is as smooth as silk. Dale
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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2008, 09:59:00 AM »
I normally use Hoppe's oil which leaves a residue but the Rem Oil is a dry oil so maybe it's not as bad as I think but I don't like it.  I know it's not dirt because the rifle never left my bench.  I'm gonna pull the stock and put some M-Pro 7 on it and see if that smooths it up a bit.

Oh, I sold one of my rifles so now I have an IOR 20 MOA one piece base, Burris X-treme Tactical rings, and a Super Sniper 20X scope on the way.  I decided to go with the 20X for target work and if I want to hunt with the rifle then I'll just use another scope already set up in different mounts.

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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2008, 03:22:42 PM »
I checked the bolt and safety out this evening and they felt better than they did last night.  I still added some M-Pro 7 just to be safe though.

I got an update on my orders;  tacticalstore.com put my Burris rings on backorder because they're sold out and swfa.com put my IOR base on backorder because it's sold out.  :(   No word on when they'll be available yet so I'm looking for replacements because I'm impatient.  Do you guys know any good one piece 20 MOA bases and tactical rings in the same price range as the IOR and the Burris?

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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2008, 01:26:47 AM »
I'm trying to get the regular IOR base but it's backordered everywhere. SWFA never has anything in stock, well nothing I ever need or want anyways so I stopped bothering with them a year ago. Cheaper prices can be had anyways so....

The 30mm burris tactical rings are out of stock everywhere as well, seems we are in the same boat! As far as quality and price range, I don't know of any that match the Burris rings. Warne rings are 100'ish but I don't like their design and how they clamp down on top. IOR rings are 100'ish and Badgers are rediculous. Look at the Warne base, it's around 80.00 but they are sold out most places as well :(

The Warne base is high, high enough to where I can still use Low Burris rings with a 50mm objective. If I get the IOR base, I'll get medium rings.

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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2008, 02:06:01 PM »
Aaron, I know exactly what you mean about swfa never having anything.  I've canceled 4 orders with them because after 2 weeks to a month of waiting for the items they still didn't have them.  I'll wait this one out for a little while but I may be canceling the order for the base and just having them ship the scope.   I looked at Badger but like you said they're pretty ridiculously priced and the Leupolds aren't much better.

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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2008, 02:46:07 PM »
Ken. You know you may not even need anything other than standard bases for your rifle with that scope. The scope you are buying has Total MOA: 126.25. That is I think 505 clicks and I also think it offers 60 clicks per revaluation. I have not checked out the ballistics on the 7MM-08 but I am sure you could shoot out to probably 800 yards with standard bases. Just a thought. Dale
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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2008, 02:18:54 AM »
ken, I may go with Seekins Precision base and rings, the rings are double the price of the Burris but the base is the same price as the IOR and they have it all in stock. No questions asked lifetime guarantee(they come highly recommended too).  I'll think it over this weekend and decide Monday, let's keep one another updated :)

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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #24 on: May 24, 2008, 04:37:46 AM »
Dale,  I probably don't need the 20 MOA base with that scope but I would prefer to have it that way I know for sure I'll be set up for 1000 yards.  It's more for peace of mind than anything.

Aaron, thanks for the link.  I really like their rings; I like how there's nothing sticking out to snag on anything.  I'm gonna have to give them a closer look, I may just cancel my other orders and order them.  I'll keep you posted.

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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #25 on: May 24, 2008, 06:18:10 PM »
Ken, I emailed Glen Seekins inquiring about the ring height I'd need if I were to get a regular base(non MOA) from him. I'll keep you updated.....

Still awaiting the arrival of the 4200 6-24x50 with tac knobs so I have a couple more days to decide.

*Note: websites are now receiving the 6500 4.5-30x50 models. I may be trying one of those bad boys sooner than I thought, this addiction just never ends does it?

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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2008, 03:58:36 AM »
I'm seriously considering just using the burris bases I have mounted already instead of waiting god knows how long for the IOR base.  I really want the Burris rings but may go with the seekins rings.  I'm in the process of selling another rifle right now and that would give me enough money for the 6500 but I still need to get a range finder and a bipod and I'm planning on buying a bunch of different bullets to try as well, so I think I'm gonna stick with the SS20X and get a sunshade and flip up covers for it.  I just wish swfa would send the darn thing and just send the base later.  After all it's their fault that I ordered an out of stock item.  I don't know why they don't tell you on their website when something is out of stock.  And then they'll put you whole order on hold because they don't have one item.  They're lucky that they're the only ones that sell the SS scope because I'd be spending my money somewhere else if they weren't.

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« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2008, 05:18:35 AM »
I would think all you would have to do is cancel the whole order. Then just order the SS scope again. This way you would have it in a few days then. Dale
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« Reply #28 on: May 25, 2008, 07:50:21 AM »
I know some guys who had been waiting upwards of 5 weeks for their SS scopes. I wish you luck with the base but I could never wait that long for something. The SS variable was mentioned over 3 years ago and we kept hearing different dates. I made a decision to move on when the Elites hit and were getting rave reviews. Chris @ SWFA is a great guy but that doesn't do me any good when everything I want is out of stock. I'm not in this to wait 2 months for a backordered item, last I checked I actually like to shoot and hunt :)

Check availability for the Warne base at a few websites, same price as the IOR and highly recommended. Or get the Seekins base if you order their rings. Or stick with the Burris lol. No one said this passion of ours would be stress free :) Time to jog my daily 10 miles, I'm out!

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Re: Rem 700 SPS Varmint 7mm-08; Before & After Pics
« Reply #29 on: May 25, 2008, 01:16:22 PM »
Dale, that's exactly what I'm going to do.  Aaron,  LOL!!  yeah, I know what you mean; nothing like dropping $500 and then waiting for a month or two to get what you want.  I have a 3 day weekend to hit the range before I start working double shifts next weekend, but I don't have the scope, base, and rings for my rifle that I ordered over a week ago.  Oh well I can do some reloading but I've already put together a bunch of different loads to test so I'll have to see what else is on my loading to do list.
I may just use the money I was gonna use for the IOR base for the harris bipod instead.  I'll give an update in a few days.

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