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Starting a build
« on: May 16, 2008, 12:06:43 PM »
 

A couple of years ago a friend gave me a 12” section of 20MM barrel, this once proud Veteran of WWII which helped defend the U.S.A. Suffered an ignominious end by the de-mil torch.
What to do with 12” of barrel?
Well I have decided to build a model of a cannon that I want to build a large scale big brother to in the future, this will allow me to work out any issues that may arise as I do the build.
The exterior was painted Battle Ship Grey and was rather rough under the paint,
So on the lathe it went I faced off both ends and took off enough steel to get rid of the rust that was
Hiding under the paint, I swabbed the heavy coat of grease out the bore to find it bright and shiny!
Now I have to order some steel for the trunnions and breech. More photos to follow as progress continues. As to what I am building…….. it will become apparent as it progresses.
A little suspense never hurts! ;)

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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2008, 01:45:10 PM »
Parrott?

Ordnance rifle?

Armstrong RML?


I gots'ta know!!!
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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2008, 03:33:54 PM »
Yes, Please share with the rest of us!!
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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2008, 03:48:00 PM »
       OOOOOOOO!  A rifle, now you're talking!   How about a 30 Pdr. Parrott?  A James System rifled and banded 32 Pdr?  A Naval Blakely as used on the CSS Alabama.   A 1/10th scale 6.4" Double-Banded Brooke?  You can call and tell me; I won't tell, honest........... well, if the bribe is big enough, I might.   ;D ;D

Keep us informed!

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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2008, 02:18:34 AM »
No........No........ I just don't want to let the  out of the bag just yet..........

I have to let the suspense build a little more...... ;D
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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2008, 03:25:21 AM »
Quote from: KABAR2 on May 17, 2008, 02:18:34 AM
No........No........ I just don't want to let the  out of the bag just yet..........

I have to let the suspense build a little more...... ;D

Groan!
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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2008, 11:36:17 AM »

     Whoa!!  You had me scared for a moment, Allen.   I thought you had a   WAR KITTEN   there until I put my glasses on and realized it was a  cute kitten, a baby cat.

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Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2008, 10:22:35 PM »
     WAR KITTEN  


           http://www.vikingkittens.com  
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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2008, 05:51:36 AM »
     Thank you Tropico.  Sure beats sitting on a park bench and looking at your shoes while you wait for Allen!

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Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2008, 10:38:13 AM »
Don't worry there will be more to look at next week, I am picking up my steel tomorrow after work,
so I'll start machining next week  ;D would it help if I started giving clues?



             

Does that help?  8)
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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2008, 11:37:34 AM »
Quote from: Terry C. on May 16, 2008, 01:45:10 PM
Parrott?

Ordnance rifle?

Armstrong RML?


I'm going with the last one as my best guess.
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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2008, 12:51:21 PM »
now you start making me curious   ;D

but tropico , its just one problem here , the vikings had no cannons   ;D
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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2008, 01:17:00 PM »
     Terry C. is probably correct here.  There are more Armstrongs with reinforcing bands forward of the trunnions than any other brand except for Krupp, but we can't see a breech loader in the works here, most likely a ML.  There is also a possibility of a Wiard 2.6" Rifle.  How about a half scale 80 Pdr. Armstrong Naval rifle or a 2/3 rds. scale Whitworth 5", (80 Pdr.) Naval rifle.
We are probably forgetting some really obvious gun here, but our philosophy continues to parallel the old saying, "Nothing ventured, nothing gained".

Still digging through the book pile!

Mike and Tracy
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Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2008, 02:23:10 PM »
Since no one else has done it yet, I hereby reserve the name "War Kitten" for my next mini or micro build!

WAR KITTENS?
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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2008, 05:10:56 PM »
     Terry,    Great name for a mini or micro!  We were beginning to think that no one would ever pick up on the origin of WAR KITTEN.  Thanks for providing that link to their commercial.  That company sends out an average of four pieces of mail to everyone in the United States over 18 each year according to a recent news report on credit card companies.  Next to GEICO, they are probably best at coming out with creative commercials.  If we ever build a solid steel, rifled, 8.25", Bowling Ball Mortar like the one Mike has sketched many times, I think we will reserve the name "Thor's Hammer" for it.  That name congers up powerful images of might and accuracy!  Isn't it nice of Allen to provide this catch-all thread for our use.  As long as we mention CANNONS we can discuss anything.  I wonder how he is doing?

Regards,

Mike and Tracy
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Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2008, 09:23:42 AM »
Quote from: seacoastartillery on May 23, 2008, 05:10:56 PM
I wonder how he is doing?

Busy building, I hope.
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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2008, 06:24:30 AM »
     Sorry Allen, but you're one of the very few people in this group who is actually building something, so we can't afford to leave you alone.  Please put that can of metal polish and that rag away now.  That point on your Picklehaube is plenty shiny; you will blind those Tommys when you meet them in battle!  Back to cannon building!

     Your last clue was given on May 21st.  Can you tell us what it will be, please?  In-process photos are very popular too; a few of those would be nice.

Thanks,

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Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2008, 02:44:45 AM »
Unfortunately I haven't even begun  :( I had two gun builds which would be off topic here that got in the way, (1 finished 1 almost finished)
we are trying to finish some projects on our house before Sept. when we get it appraised for a refinance before it goes from fixed to
who knows what! and I also have the wood form I'm finishing for the mortar in the works, When I went to get
my metal supplies on a Rare day off I had they were under maned and weren't very interested in taking my order
before the holiday weekend, so I didn't get my metal yet. Looks like this has become a winter project.

As to what it is...............  ::) I'll give another clue........... for those who study line drawings this will have the answer in it if you
know where to look.




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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2008, 06:42:18 AM »
   Armstrong 12 pounder RBL Model 1859, 3 inch bore.

   
   
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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2008, 08:17:35 AM »
     As hard as we try, we just can't get that "5" to turn into a "3", so we will have to be contrarians here and go with the 5" Armstrong 40-pdr 1.32-Ton BLR which, in it's bore dia., is listed as a 4.75 ", 22 Calibre long tube, Naval rifle.  Although some dimensions are exactly the same as the ones on our 20 pdr gun drawing, others seem be be much larger/longer.  Woops!  Forgot about Allen's first drawing hint!  The wall thickness at the muzzle would be a bit thin if this were a 40-pdr, about .150", a wee bit thin is certainly an understatement.  I guess we have to defer to Boom J. on this one, but what about that 5" bore dia.?  Maybe I need new glasses.

     Thanks for the explanation, Allen; it sounds like you have plenty to do and hopefully you can give us a blow-by-blow of this winter-season build with in-process pics.  It's hard to beat Boom J's wonderful pics.  That is, of course, the carriage Lamb's Confederate artillerymen loved to hate as they chased Federal gunboats away from the beach adjacent to Fort Fisher, North Carolina.  They had Whitworth tubes though, 12 pdrs, 2.75" calibre.  In the Whitworth System, the 5" rifle was an 80 pdr; such are the vagaries of British ordnance.

Thanks for the update, Allen.

Mike and Tracy

     
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Smokin' my pipe on the mountings, sniffin' the mornin'-cool,
I walks in my old brown gaiters along o' my old brown mule,
With seventy gunners be'ind me, an' never a beggar forgets
It's only the pick of the Army that handles the dear little pets - 'Tss! 'Tss!

From the poem  Screw-Guns  by Rudyard Kipling

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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2008, 04:51:00 PM »
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As hard as we try, we just can't get that "5" to turn into a "3"

   Mike and Tracy, I don't think you need new glasses, the breech end of the bore on the Armstrong 12 PDR is 3.125 diam., this extra space was there so that the lead coated bolt would enter the bore freely. When fired the powder charge forced the slightly oversized projectile into the grooves of the rifling.

That certainly appears to me to be the number five in the breech area of the bore in the diagram so this scenario might be feasible (at least I hope so because it's all I could come up with), maybe the draughtsman copying the plans erred and left off the first three numbers and the decimal, in any event that's definitely a five, at least in my opinion. Now this is a little less clear; if you turn the diagram muzzle down and look at the bore with a magnifier you might be able to make out what appear to be a series of threes with lines at their sides that extend out to touch the walls of the bore, at least they look like threes to me even though they're very indistinct.
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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2008, 05:51:50 PM »
O.K. I BAD...... ::)

Mike & Tracy you won't need your eyes checked..... but maybe I do!

I didn't look closely at which drawing I had used first,
and in using the drawing for the cut away I used a different drawing


 

#1 9pr R.L.B. gun



#2 12pr R.L.B. gun

Sorry for the confusion everyone........ ::)   

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Re: Starting a build
« Reply #22 on: March 27, 2009, 12:53:27 PM »
Hey KABAR2, hows about an update?

I'm dying to know how that build is comin along... 6 months since an update? I gotta know how things are going  :D
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