lever action in .50 S&W

[minker]

anyone besides me think somebody should chamber a lever action in .50 S&W ?

[Lloyd Smale]

to much pressure in factory offered ammo

[Lloyd Smale]

to much pressure in factory offered ammo other then in maybe a blr browning

[teddy12b]

I've got a puma in 44mag.  It's comfortable to shoot, but I wouldn't want anything more powerful.  At some point if you're not gaining accuracy or distance you're just making the target deader.  I don't see what the S&W 500 could do in a lever gun that a 44 couldn't inside 150 yards.

Now if you just want one for giggles and just because, I will not argue with that.  I just don't think the 500 would bring much to the party that the other calibers can't do.

[GatCat]

I'd like to see a new-designed lever action that can take the .500 S&W, 348 Win ( and all it's wildcat big-bore versions ), and so on. Sort of a lengthened, "beefed-up" Marlin. To me, it would be better then converting the Win. 1886's, '71's, and so on. Keep it like the current Marlins, easy to scope. I don't think there would be a big market for it, but enthusiasts would be happy. :Maybe a box magazine so sharp pointed bullets could be use, in "small caliber" ( .30-.375??) high-velocity rounds. For those looking for big-bear protection, a deeper, higher capacity mag could then be used ( 8-10 rounds ).
It just takes money, I guess?
Mark

[Cheesehead]

Once upon a time "Wild west guns" made a lever rifle in 500 S&W Mag, but I no longer see it on their site.

Cheese

[STUMPJMPR]

The puma 92's are chambered for 454 casuall which is on par for pressures of the 500 s&w...I'm not sure if the action is big enough to handle the size of the cartridge...They also chamber it for .480 ruger

[Lloyd Smale]

two problems crop up with the 92. Its strong enough for the pressure but isnt long enough and cant be made long enough to handle the round and the 500 and 454 run simualar pressures but theres more to take into consideration then pressure. A larger caliber at the same pressure has much more bolt thrust then a smaller caliber. Another weak spot is the barrels need a bigger hole in the chamber and it doesnt leave enough metal at the barrel threads to maintain strenght. Ive got a custom 94 malin done by rob applegate in 475 and he told me after doing it that hed never do another. It was just to much work and its taxes the absolute limit of what a 94 will take and even at the 475 pressure levels hed advised me to load it down a tad to make it last. Probably the only actions actually strong enough for doing a 500 smith are the browining, savage or the 95 winchester and if you want a gun with that big of an action your probably better off going with a 50 alaskan. You can get more power yet out of it and do it at lower pressures.

[minker]

just what is the .50 alaskan ?  not been able to find any load specks or other info on it .

if the puma's can handle .454's and .480 rugers , i can't imagine that a marlin 94,336, or guide gun or for that matter a 94 winchester can't hold up to a .500 s&w .

mark

[Lloyd Smale]

50ak is a wildcat round made from a blown out 348 win. basicaly just a longer 500 linebaugh. the reason rounds like that work and the 500 smith wont is that they operate at much lower pressures. A bigger case will allow you to get the same balliistics as a smaller one at lower pressures. As to a 92 vs a 94 win marlin or a 336 marlin the 92 is just a stronger action and will take higher pressures. They problem with a 92 is that its a shorter action and theres just not enough room to open one up to a round longer then a 454 or fatter then a 480. When you step up to a 475 in a 92 your probably taxing the limit to the design as bolt thrust is higher then in a 480. Im sure a guy could probably have a 94 or 92 done in 500 linebaugh or a shortened 500 smtih but there wouldnt be much barrel left at the threads and the tendency with most guys is to try to get performance out of there guns and they would be just an accident waiting to happen. even me with my 475 marlin 94 i had custom built. Ive contenpated this many times and think if i was to do it again id have done it in a 480. I basically cant run ammo much more powerful then 480s out of it anyway, at least in any kind of quantity and im hamstrung with bullet selection as most are to long to be seated in the crimp grove. It would have been alot less work and headaches for me and the builder to get it to feed 480s

[six_gunz]

Once upon a time "Wild west guns" made a lever rifle in 500 S&W Mag, but I no longer see it on their site.

Cheese

I don't think they've made one yet but from Ken at WWG's They're still in the prototyping stages.
http://www.marlinowners.com/forums/index.php/topic,25790.0.html

[Cheesehead]

I may have been premature in my previous statement. I based it on this, mistakenly.


http://www.billstclair.com/blog/040823.html

Cheese

[six_gunz]

I may have been premature in my previous statement. I based it on this, mistakenly.


http://www.billstclair.com/blog/040823.html

Cheese

Cheese, you can go on www.marlinowners.com on the WWG forum anytime and ask Ken questions on this or any other gun they modify or produce....he always seems willing to help and answer questions.

[blackpowderbill]

The Win 71 was chambered for .348 Win. The parent case for the .348 is the .50-70. There for I believe the .500 will fit inside a 1886 or m71 Winchester. That leaves the question of strength. I would bet a can of soda that the modern Maruku made 1886 Win could take the .500s pressure.

[Rangr44]

[anyone besides me think somebody should chamber a lever action in .50 ]

Yep, Ben  Forkin does  - Here's his Marlin 1894 conversion:

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/long_guns/forkin_092905/index.html

[Blackhawk44]

Forkin's conversion is for the .50 AE, a shorter cased, lower pressure round than the .500 S&W.

[teddy12b]

The 50AE is the desert eagle "50".  Different animal than the S&W500.

[quickdtoo]

Here's a visual comparison of the 50AE, 500S&W and 50 AK.

Tim

http://ammoguide.com/cgi-bin/aicompare.cgi?sn=LgpWOCjxho&loadset=36&xxglbl=1

[six_gunz]

Tim, I guess you have to be a member of that site to see this info....it goes to a log in page when I click on your link

[quickdtoo]

That's too bad, they used to allow comparisons to be viewed publicly.

Here's the individual cartridges w/dimensions.

Tim

50 Action Express (AE) - http://ammoguide.com/?catid=143

.500 Smith & Wesson Magnum - http://ammoguide.com/?catid=221

50 Alaskan - http://ammoguide.com/?catid=269

[Rangr44]

[Forkin's conversion is for the .50 AE, a shorter cased, lower pressure round than the .500 S&W.]
[The 50AE is the desert eagle "50".  Different animal than the S&W500.]
[Here's a visual comparison of the 50AE, 500S&W and 50 AK.]

I know that very well, Thanks - but at least a $1400 Forkin .50 levergun is closer to a shooter's reach than a $8,000 - $24,000 Turnbull .50AK or unobtainium (the .500 S&W levergun)
 
 
 

[Lloyd Smale]

if you want a nice little big bore lever gun. My buddy has a rossi 16 inch stainless 480 and its a real good shooter and you can pick them up for about 500 bucks.

[S.B.]

Once upon a time "Wild west guns" made a lever rifle in 500 S&W Mag, but I no longer see it on their site.

Cheese

I know they offer a .50 Alaskan, Cheesehead may be right about the.500 Smith chambering? Was it on the Marlin 1895 gun or the .450 Marliin? I think the difference is the barrel threads?

[Marlin_444]

www.wildwestguns.com

.50 Alaskan - Basically a 45/70 on Roids... A beltles .450 Marlin

Link here for a pic...

http://www.wildwestguns.com/Ammunition/ammunition.html

Here is a pic of the Gun...

http://www.wildwestguns.com/CoPilot_And_Guide_Rifles/copilot_and_guide_rifles.html

I have a buddy who has a couple and loves them...

[Lloyd Smale]

the 450 alaskan and the 4570 are 45 caliber guns the 50 alaskan is a 50 cal and is definately a big step up in power from either of the other two. Its based on a straighted 348 case. the same case the 500 linebaugh is based on. It will push 500 grain bullets in the vacinity of 2000 fps making it close to the power of a 458 win mag in a lever gun.