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Tractor suggestions wanted
« on: May 20, 2008, 07:18:58 AM »
Hi all,

I have recently been relocated to the northern Rockies, thank goodness, and will be needing a tractor for:

Snow removal (had to chain up to get out of my driveway at the end of March!)
Clearing deadfall from 5 acres of hemlock/cedar
Patching a 1/4 mile gravel dirveway in the spring.
Till/harrow 2 acre garden.

I know very little about tractors.  Was considering a skid steer loader w/ a few attachments, but the used ones I have seen were not in very good shape, and 20,000 dollars is a bit out of my price range right now, so a new machine is not an option.  I have noticed that for the most part, I see 1940s-1950s vintage Ford 8N and 9N  model for sale used here, but I'm leery of spending 4 grand on something that old, and I'm not even sure if these would work for what I need.

So, as rational discourse is the norm here on GBO, and I greatly respect the opinions of those who post here, I thought I'd ask you all.  If you were looking for a machine to fill the needs listed above, and had to buy used, what would you be looking for and why?

I intend to purchase sometime between now and October, 2008.

Thanks for your time.

Mike
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Re: Tractor suggestions wanted
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2008, 09:28:03 AM »
My only experience is with John Deere. I have a 790 I bought new and it would probably do what you want done but if I had it to do over again I'd have gotten the slightly more powerful 990 instead. Dunno if you could find one used in your area or not but it might be out of your price range even used depending on what your price range is.

My neighbor has a really old 40s or 50s vintage cub and it sure is a worker and I'm sure stronger than mine. Any of the older full size farm tractors from the 40s thru the 60s should do the job fine and be relatively inexpensive compared to new. You'll just have to find one in good shape or plan on having repairs done. My neighbor ended up having his engine over hauled.


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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2008, 10:52:24 AM »
I had a 1953 naa ford , lot of up keep , traded for a new holland tc-45 4wd .
I use tractors , back-hoe and skid steer at work , what you may want to have is a front loader  bucket , if so then you will most likely want a 4wd or 2 wheel drive with industrial front end vs. farm front end . the main difference is drop spindles vs front axle . the drop spindles give height for crop work at the expence of load carrying and durablity . You may have to work garden earlier or by hand with the lower front end . My 45 is 45 HP and it is amazing what 4wd gives it . You can go lower in HP if you get 4wd . GB mentioned the green tractor , a good friend of mine has a 850 2wd and he does what you say you need the tractor for except for clearing brush , in 4wd it would do ok at that in alot of cases . If i work at it 8 inch thick trees can be pushed over with my tractor ( A lot of work ) . GB that green paint is expensive , but ya get what you pay for !
Some buy a tractor to do most normal chores then lease a large one to do large jobs that are one time deals like clearing . Saves some $$$$$$ and alot of lease tractors are sold at good prices at the end of seasons . Talk to a dealer and he may find you a deal .
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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2008, 11:25:01 AM »
check the farm auctions in Kansas you can usually find a good deal there in colo tractor prices are way high you can buy one in kansas and go get it and still be money ahead
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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2008, 12:57:19 PM »
I would visit the local dealers and let them know what you wanted to do with the tractor and what their advise would be, while there you can size them up and see what you thought of them...Then buy from the one you like...They might even have a decent used one on hand, or know someone ready to move up, in which case makes it easier to trade when they know you need the used one...

I'm the son of a Deere dealer and grew up in the shop, dad died when I was 20 and 2 years later I went with Deere and stayed with them for 13 years...I could go out and buy a used tractor, keep it up, buy used implements that will fit and work with the tractor, but a man with little experience couldn't...

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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2008, 01:15:51 PM »
Kubota and John Deere out sell everything else around here by a wide margin. My neighbor has a John Deere and I have a Kubota. One thing I would take into consideration, especially if you are buying new, is how far it is to a dealer. Since it a hundred miles to a dealer here it doesn't make much difference. The dealer I purchased from sells both Kubota and Case. He told me he wouldn't even consider the Case , just go with Kubota. I'm not pushing Kubota although I'm very satisified with mine. I would probably like John Deere just as well.

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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2008, 02:39:34 PM »
I bought one of the gray market tractors. Mine is an ISEKI. Other makers are Yanmar, Mitsibishi, and others that I cannot spell or pronounce. Their companies make most all the small tractors. They come in several different sizes and with a variety of equipment. There are dealers all over the U.S. Most are made in Japan and weren't intended for export. They are used but most that I've seen don't have very many hours on them. I've had mine for several years now and am well satisfied. Try typing in gray market tractors and you can find the dealer closest to you.
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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2008, 06:03:37 PM »
Thanks to all for your input.  I'm not sure what I'll end up with, but Thanks to you , I have more tools with which to make my decision. 

My nearest dealer is 60 miles away.  I may have to pay him a visit, to get a feel for what's out there.  Been shopping Craigslist, but that doesn't help me with what I should be looking for, only that there's a lot of different stuff out there.

Regards,

Mike

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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2008, 05:09:47 AM »
Locals have wasted a lot of money finding out what does not work. Find the local hang out and start people talking.

I'm looking at the same problem here in SE Alaska, but will probably have to go with something with tracks because we don't have soil here, we have peat dirt.

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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2008, 03:54:25 PM »
I bought a Kubota 3400 4WD new in 2004. It's about a 35 HP compact tractor. I don't farm with it other than the occasional wildlife food plot. I mow about 7 acres a couple times a year, and mow trails around the house and on my deer lease, and maintain nearly 1/3 mile of driveway. It has been an excellent investment so far. I was trying to decide between it and a comparable John Deere model, but feature for feature for the money there was no contest in my mind--the Kubota was superior. One bit of advice no matter what brand you get, if you can swing it, get a 4WD and a front end loader. You'll find 10 times the uses for the tractor with a loader. I use it constantly, I've even carried a couple deer out of my woods with it! Beats dragging.

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« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2008, 08:41:38 PM »
When I bought my tractor about 4 years ago, did some research. Found out that Yanmar tractors, built in Japan, are the base for John Deere compacts.(up to about 45hp.) So I ended up with a Yanmar 1810. The model number tells you that it has 18hp. at the PTO. The dealer here in Ohio said to figure engine hp was about 25 to 30% more, so mine is about 22 -23hp. Been very happy with mine. Just changed oil and put the brush hog on  to cut the woods, will put the cultivators on tomorrow to work up ground for the garden.
Push snow with it in the winter, sure seems to have more than the 22 or 23 hp the dealer claimed. Cost me about 1/4 of what a green tractor would have cost.  gypsyman
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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2008, 10:44:35 AM »
we have a new holland tt45 its a great tractor...I'm not sure how the diesel will do in cold weather....

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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2008, 02:14:27 AM »
Not all "used" tractors are used up.  Many will, with maintenance and upkeep, outlive us. 

Doesn't sound like Massey Fergusen (MF) has much of a following these days.  I have both a used Case and used MF.  The Case 530 w/gas engine is for fun and mowing the grass (all lesser "work" if you can call it that) and the MF 275 diesel is for REAL work. 

My MF is 2WD and I (along with sidekick and SHOOTALL), heartily recommend 4WD.  I don't particularly need 4WD on the flat sandy soil here, and there is no snow! (hehe), but there are times when the soil is saturated and the 4WD would be a God send.   :)

The MF will outwork me every day and twice on Sunday.  I use it primarily to pull a 20-blade disc through weeds, crops, underbrush, etc.   Bush hogging is a breeze.  Having more HP than is minimally necessary is a beautiful thing.

As SHOOTALL has indicated, I would like to have a front end loader.  There are a world of uses for a loader limited only by our imagination.


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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2008, 08:33:26 PM »
Thanks again to all for all of the useful information.  I just missed out on a Yanmar 1810(?) with loader for 5000 two weeks ago.  I'm giving the gray market machines a serious look, as I have seen them for not much more than 1940's vintage Fords around here.  I'm sure the old units would work, but something in me balks at spending several thousand for a machine that looks like it narrowly survived Stalingrad. ;)

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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2008, 01:40:08 PM »
  I have a farm, and we have quite a few tractors here...  I'm not real brand loyal, and try to buy models that are good, no matter the color...

  Bottom line is, there's "almost" nothing under 100 hp made today that is American made...  There is some final assembly done here, but that's not made in the USA in my book...

  Smaller Deere compacts like GB's are made in Japan by Yanmar, at least for now, but Deere will soon be replaceing those models with "made in China" models...

  CIH/Farmall and NH compact models are the same tractor with different paint and are made in Japan by Shinbarou sp?

  Masseys/AGCO/CAT and many Cub Cadet compacts models are Japan Isekies...  Now Cadet is selling some Yanmars too.

  Kubota is also Japan

  One of the better built, lower priced new tractors made today are Mahindra's, most of there models are made in India.  Most models aren't all yuppied up, so the price is lower...  Mahindra i believe is still the largest tractor manufacture in the world...

  Personally, i would stay away from a grey market tractor and even worse yet is any tractor made in China...

  I would also stay away from one of the "old" farm tractors unless you are handy at monkeying with it to keep it going... 

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« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2008, 03:56:12 PM »
I was a farm equipment mechanic for fifteen years, through the mid 70's, eighties, and early 90's
As far as used tractors go, there are some that shine in my memory. One was a tractor that Allis Chalmers marketed. It was a Fiat tractor, that Allis sold as the 5050.
50 Hp, synchromesh trans.
When equipped with 4WD, and Allis's own 500 series loader, it was a solid, and reliable unit, with few luxuries, and quite tough.
That loader is important, some of the after market loaders fitted to this tractor were designed for 2WD power, and would not stand what this tractor was capable of.

John Deer's 1120 was a nice reliable tractor, but was stuck with 2wd.

The old Fords, and Masseys of the 8N, 9n etc. type, and other makes of the vintage, are probably best suited for farm shows and old tractor displays. They do work, and are capable, but they are toys compared to what a 4WD tractor of even a few years newer can do.
They have reliability issues now, and are tinkerers tractors. Hard on gas too.

Kubota tractors are Japanese, true, however, the company now has American plants making some stuff in the USA. Garden tractors, and RTV's at this point, and I think some farm loaders, and mower decks.
With the exception of some garden tractor engines, Kubota uses their own stuff. They rarely out source. You won't find a new Kubota tractor, with a Yanmar or Mitsubishi engine for example. They have their own tier three and tier four diesels. Very reliable.
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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2008, 03:58:59 PM »
I have a nice Ford 8N that was bought a few years ago.  It is used on two of our places for game plots.   The tractor pictured is kept at the third place and is used to brushhog, drag trees for firewood and put in game plots.  Bought it in 2003 for $3,000 with brushhog.: It had 444 hours on it. 

This tractor is a Mitsubishi D1600 with a differential lock..  It is diesel and has about 18 horsepower.  It uses much less fuel than a riding mower.     

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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2008, 04:10:29 PM »
alot of those old tractors don't have live hydraulics or live pto. that means that when you shove the clutch, the pto stops turning, or the hydraulic pump stops pumping. not good for snow blowers, bush hogs, front end loaders, etc. buy newer and get those features
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« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2008, 12:27:19 PM »
JD 3020 or 2510, something in that range, plenty of power, "modern" enough to have features, common parts, plenty of dealer support, used at $8-10K, wide-front. With a loader and chains; with the front-end loader you can get yourself out of a lot of jams and fwd is not necessary.
A bit of an oddball that would be cheaper(1/2 the price) would be a 1550 or 1600 Oliver with same features.FWIW

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« Reply #19 on: October 10, 2008, 04:11:51 AM »
4WD is used to pull equipment far more than to get out of trouble also the extra traction applied correctly ( note correctly ) disturbes soil less in some terrain . In my case i pull 60+ hp eguipment with a 45 hp tractor with no problem as long as it is in 4wd . when the extra power is not needed i take it out of 4wd and save fuel .
It makes for a more stable tractor also.
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« Reply #20 on: October 10, 2008, 05:01:49 AM »
  If a person has hills, loose or sandy soil...  Wet area's or a loader on the tractor, or is buying a compact tractor, it would be well worth the extra expense for them to get MFWD...

  We bought our first MFWD tractor in the 80's and i wouldn't be with out it now.  What ever it cost extra to buy is easily made back in productivity, and resale...

  No, not everyone needs it, but once you've had a decent MFWD tractor, it's very hard to go back to a 2wd tractor.

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« Reply #21 on: October 10, 2008, 05:57:57 AM »
If mine were two wheel drive I'd sure have had to get it pulled out a lot more often than I have had to. Oh yeah even with 4x4 I've had to ask the neighbors to come pull me out a few times especially when I got too close to the pond edge. Yes I've pulled them some too.


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Re: Tractor suggestions wanted
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2008, 02:40:16 AM »
My only thought was that he doesn't need much of a tractor to do what little work he suggested. He could do most of this with a JD B and a trip bucket loader, except the lack of live power is a pain in the butt. And alas, it's not new enough...
Okay, I give, compact tractor with front-wheel assist, a nice little loader to wrap up the package. The clearing deadfall is the only real concern I have about a compact type tractor, the trees could get the better of the deal if you're not careful.
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« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2008, 03:41:39 AM »
A small Ford 9n or an old 801 Workmaster would do what you want and cheap too. They were built when Americans built stuff to last.  Most of them are still running strong on the original engine from the 50-60's.  You can find one of those in good shape around my neck of the woods for $2000-3000.  They run on gas and and have more than enough power to do what you want.  I've never needed 4wd and I have farmed on and off for the last 28 years.  You just run lower air pressure and more water in your tires.

I like the old stuff and that may not be your taste.  I prefer the Internationals to anything I've had.  I have an H and a Super M that I am restoring/working etc.  I take them to tractor shows from time to time.  The antique tractor shows are really what their for.

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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2008, 05:02:08 AM »
I would buy a tractor with a wide front, power steering, Diesel engine, live power takeoff in  the eighty horsepower range.Try to get one with a cab and a loader.The John Deere 4010 would be an ideal tractor for you purpose.Try to buy it in an area that has allot of ag tractors for the best deal.Its allot cheaper to have it trucked to your location than to pay premium prices.

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« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2008, 03:22:40 PM »
80+ hp in a tractor is just a bit much for 5-10 acres.   I've pulled up some big stumps with just a 20hp International. Now, power steering is nice but you can steer with the brakes, you lock one wheel and the tractor will turn on a dime.

 The two diesels I own are Massey Ferguson's 240s and they hate the cold. I only use them to plant and till for corn in the spring.  They have very few hours and I let them sit more than I should.  It's just the gas Fords I have are so much easier to get started after sitting a few weeks.  A diesel needs to run regularly.  Ask yourself how much you would use the tractor.  If it is more than three days a week, I'd get a diesel.  If it is once a week, I'd get an older gas model.  The gas ones can sit out in the cold and will be much easier to crank.  The fuel won't gel and if you let a diesel run out of fuel, they are a pain to get  some models to reprime.  The fuel and the up keep is much more with a diesel tractor.  The gassers do burn a lot of gas, but not so much as to equal the expense of a diesel.  I own both and pinch pennies with the best of them.  I can tell you from experience, the gas tractors are much cheaper to run if you are only an occasional user. 

 The only problem with a gasser is they don't have the power of a diesel, but that doesn't matter much.  The extra power will only go so far.  It's good for the hydraulics and the PTO but doesn't help much when you just need traction.  I've seen my old International outpull my Massey Fergusons many times and the M/F has twice the horse power.    It's all about traction anyways... Just add water and low pressure, then add weight..........Nothing else needed.

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« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2008, 11:24:12 AM »
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A diesel needs to run regularly.  Ask yourself how much you would use the tractor.

  Maybe that's true for your "older" diesels, but it sure isn't true for the several newer diesels that i have.

  I can go out to the barn and start my diesel tractors in below zero temps "without" preheat, or anything else, even if it sets for weeks or months.  I have no problem with my diesels starting in the winter, and i use them for firewood, plowing snow, and other winter jobs.  Same with my neighbor who also runs newer tractors.

  I can't say the same for my gas tractors...  I think you are trying to compare old diesel tractors to gas, and that's fine, but old diesel tractors don't hold a candle to a new(er) one.  Even my Deutz that is about a 70 model, will start right up in the winter...

  Buy your diesel in the fall, and you won't have gelling problems, it's blended for winter use... 

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« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2008, 02:22:54 PM »
I think he wanted a cheap tractor.  Most newer diesels are out of his range I think.  If you want a cheap tractor, a gas Ford will do all you ever need unless you start trying to farm for a living with it. The parts are cheaper than John Deere and it'll be around longer than any of us.....You just have to be prepared to spend a little on repairs and maybe buy some tires.  The biggest thing with the Fords is the hydro-pump under the seat.  Check it and check it again with some weight.  A box blade will do. Then draw a sample of the fluid and check for water (milky) If the seals are bad they will get water in them from just sitting out in the rain. Other than that, a Ford 801, 8n/9n can be a very dependable tractor.  Just stay away from the older small Ford diesels.  They had engines made in England, Jubilee??? They are infamous for problems.

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« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2008, 03:02:19 PM »
I am not saying that you can't get the job done with a smaller tractor, I have many of both.What I am saying is that a large tractor is no more difficult to use than the small tractor and has many advantages such as live pto and better hydralics and much more power reserve.I have plowed many fields with a two bottom trip plow but its much eaiser and faster with a five bottom hydralic lift.The price of the better tractor is almost nill when you consider what you get.But of course if your time is worthless ,go for it.

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« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2008, 12:42:17 AM »
This year I planted over 12 acres of game plots at three different places without a drill.  With my Ford 8N and Mitsubishi tractor it took me a total of 31 manhours.  That included discing, broadcasting of seed and fertilizer and discing it under.  Yep it would be spiffy to have a much bigger tractor with a neat no till drill.  Then I would need a bigger trailer to haul it from place to place.  That equipment would sit in the sheds for 360 days of the year.