Which bullet for the 300 RSAUM?

[NYSdeerslayer]

What brand is going to give the best accuracy?
I was told the 165 gr. is the bullet for the 300 SA UM's.
Can I load ballistic tips without having feed problems?
Whitetails up here are typically less than 200 lbs. so penetration
is not really a concern.  The gun is a Rem. model 7 carbine.
I have been shooting factory rem. premier 165's with good luck, just want to
tighten up my 200 yard 2" group.(about 3 1/2" at 300 yds

                                                  NYSdeerslayer

[SharonAnne]

  your groups are fine. keep practicing. especially offhand and kneeling/sitting. ballistic tips will not affect feeding if you reload properly. .300RSAUM is a lot of cartridge for whitetails. they don't take a lot of killing.

[Lone Star]

This looks like another example of unreasonable expectations set by the "inventive" posts of members who aer less than candid.  Getting moa accuracy with a light rifle chambered in a high-recoil cartridge is - in reality - very good.  And for a whitetail rifle, moa off a bench is more than enough accuracy.  In the field, a light rifle is more difficult to shoot, and the intrinsic accuracy of the rifle becomes almost immaterial to the actual practical accuracy seen in the field.  While I am not one to recommend not improving accuracy, here the only thing smaller groups off the bench will get the OP is "bragging rights".  He'd be far better off following SA's advice if he is interested in actually improving his yearly game bag.



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[nomosendero]

  your groups are fine. keep practicing. especially offhand and kneeling/sitting. ballistic tips will not affect feeding if you reload properly. .300RSAUM is a lot of cartridge for whitetails. they don't take a lot of killing.

Well, there is nothing wrong with that advise, I agree completely. Getting better groups would be fine if you want to have fun with that, but
not relevant to the mission. No reason for feed problems with the BT.

[NYSdeerslayer]

Well didn't mean to ruffle your feathers Lone Star, but any rifle I own
either groups smaller than a quarter at 100 yds.  If it doesn't it will, or someone
else will own it.  Confidence that the bullet goes exactly where you put it every time
is definitely a key tool in the field.

                                                 NYSdeerslayer

[SharonAnne]

for someone who demands such accuracy, your opening questions suggest ignorance of reloading. I am confused by your posts.

[Brithunter]

Hmmm I am smelling something in the Air  yep smells like Cows ..........

 Asking what bullet will work best is a particular rifle is like trying to catch the Moon's reflection in a pool. Futile 

   Until YOU try them no one can tell you which bullet will work best in your particular rifle especial a production rifle, and that goes for ANY std production rifle with a barrel off the main line. High quality match and bench barresl are a different kettle of fish but still there is no guarentee that two barrels will shoot the same bullet as well as each other.

   I gather up your way those Whitetails are the of the kevlar skinned type?

Well didn't mean to ruffle your feathers Lone Star, but any rifle I own
either groups smaller than a quarter at 100 yds.  If it doesn't it will, or someone
else will own it. 

   I also suggest you take up serious bench rest shooting as IF as you say ALL your rifles are capable of this then just imagine what you can do with a proper benchrest set up  .


Hmmm there is that smell again!

[wyohandi]

I have the model 7 ss 22" barrel, I have never shot anything but 150grPSPCL in it(probably a mistake on my part)
bought 1000 of them awhile back real cheap. They shoot fine in my rifle 1" - 1 1/4" depending on what kind of day I'm having.
I have shot 4 elk and a bunch of deer with them.(they are PLENTY of bullet for deer,haven't found one yet even in elk).
I'm not sure why everyone thinks you need heavy bullets,unless you make alot of those Texas heart shots
Not on the subject but I wore out a stick laying on a hill @800yds with this combo the other day,not too bad for a lightweight
hunting rifle and the cheapest bullets I could find

[SharonAnne]

My Remington 600 in .308W holds 3/4" groups with 150gr PSPCL. may be cheap but in my rifle at least they are plenty accurate.

[NYSdeerslayer]

I really didn't expect people that don't know about SAUM's or reloading them
just to make comments. Thanks for the help everyone else.

                               NYSdeerslayer

[Brithunter]

I really didn't expect people that don't know about SAUM's or reloading them
just to make comments. Thanks for the help everyone else.

                               NYSdeerslayer

Nope I don't have a SAUM or WSM but it's still a fact that barrels even off the same production line can and often do have different preferences in bullets and loads. Just because I personally don't think something like a SAUM is required for Whitetails as they don't have kevlar lined skin does not alter the fact that to really find out what your particular rifle likes or will feed is to try them.

Oh should I wish to have another 30 cal magnum, and that might just happen as I have been offered a rather nice P-H Super Safari in .308 Norma, it would be in one of the older longer magnum as I see no real avantage in the short action hype that is currently fashionable.

   You asked about brands (Bullets) and cartridges but as already explained each barrel can be a law unto itself and 2" groups at 200 yards (MOA) in a lightweight rifle chambered for a high intensity cartridges is good going.

[BBF]

Re 600 Rem: This is not unusual for that type rifle. Shame that Rem does'nt make them anymore, same for the Mohawk or 788.

[Mikey]

NYSdeerslayer:  I would suggest trying Hornadays at first.  I think they make both a flat base round nose and a spireppoint boattail in 150 gna dn 165 as well. 

I do not believe you should have any problems with loading or chambering if you choose a ballistic tip slug when you start reloading. 

I suggested the Hornadays because they are inexpensive, yet work very well, and suggested two different bullet styles because there might not be much if any difference in accuracy out to your 300 yd mark. 

Also, SharonAnne has a good point - your groups are nothing to complain about really but continued practice always helps. 

Which weight bullet your rifle will prefer is going to be subject to your testing.  Since you are using this for Upstate New York Whitetail I think you may find the 150 gn slugs at the velocities the SAUM will put them out the tube, to be pretty devastating.  I think the 165 gn slugs will probably act like the 180 grainers from an 06 - shoot on through without a lot of meat damage.  I also think you wil find either the 150 or 165 gn slugs to shoot pretty flat.  HTH.  Mikey.

[SharonAnne]

I get the impression that someone has read too many hunting magazines and has unrealistic expectations of accuracy and power needed for whitetails. I know I DID that when I had my .30-06 built (family tradition to use this one builder). The '06 is way more cartridge than is needed for whitetails. I wish I had selected the 6.5x55 just like my brother-in-law did. Small, light, quick handling, plenty accurate and more than powerful enough for whitetail. The modern equivalent is the .260 Remington. Now THAT is a cartridge to be desired!!

[NYSdeerslayer]

Well not to add fuel to the fire, but not having use of my right arm due to nerve damage
I suffered last year. I shot my first whitetail last season with a handi .223 off handed, weak hand.
I would not hesitate to use my .223 on whitetails in NY.  On the other hand I would not reccomend
the use of a small caliber to those who know they just can't shoot.

[Brithunter]

  Sorry to hear about the shoulder. Hope it heals OK 

[beemanbeme]

Brit, I see what you mean about that scent .....  kinda a downwind of a dairy operation kinda odor.  NYSdeerslayer, I hope you get better too. 

[kenscot]

What is up with that smell? NYS 223 would be illegal to use in NY on deer .24 is minimum caliber allowed in the state

[SharonAnne]

(holding nose)  2" groups at 200yds from a 300RSAUM shot weak hand/arm. but went hunting w/a .223, illegally.  (looking for Scott Air Pack)

[K.K]

I don't own a SAUM, but I do hunt and reload for a .300 WSM. I set the bullets as far out as I can while still retaining reliable feeding. I have shot both the ballistic tips and Accu-Bonds into sub MOA groups. I tend to like the accu-bond for hunting, simple because I may get a close-in shot, and I like the added insurance of a bonded bullet. I neck sized once-fired brass from the rifle they were shot in, and I shot 15 shots into one raged hole at 100 yards from a Caldwell Lead Sled. No, you don't need the .300 Mags for deer, but if you can handle them and shoot them well, more cartridge never hurts.