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Beginner needs the basics.
« on: May 29, 2008, 01:51:34 PM »
I basically want to be able to reload .223, .243, or .308(More than likely .223) really cheaply. The only reason so far for reloading is so I can shoot a lot for cheap. When I hunt it will be 'yotes or other varmint. I just need a kit to do this. Idk anything at all.(Like what powder,bullet cases,presses,bullets. I mean I am only 14*.) So, help me. lol Thanks.

*I got Dad's permission.

EDIT: Is this good? Remember I need basic.
http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?1212104573.4301=/html/catalog/anivers.html

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Re: Beginner needs the basics.
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2008, 02:07:00 PM »
BUY 2  LOADING MANUALS  >:(

Just kidd'n son, Good on ya ;)

I just started posting on this forum
and that was the first 2 replies I got.
 All-though I am a further along than you,
I have the equipment and have a bunch of reading under my belt.

Best of luck with your loading, learning, and shooting ;)

Mike
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2008, 02:27:05 PM »
    Yes,  it's a great way to start.  Lee is a VW, there is Porsche, Cadillac, etc.  All will get you from point A to point B it just depends how much you want to spend.  I've been using the Anniversary Kit for years have loaded ten of thousands of rounds and taught my sons to reload on it.  You'll need dies, calipers, case lube, and I'd suggest a case vibrator (cleaner) but that will come.  The Lee reloading manual has conservative data and it won't get you into trouble.  I didn't have a mentor when I started but the Lee manual was written well enough to keep me out of trouble.

     Look around you'll find the kit cheaper form their distributors than the factory web site. 

    Don't buy used dies!  It's a crap shoot!  Buy them new and you'll have them for years.

    Buy the kit with the manual, read the book then ask questions.  Lee's web site has free videos for beginners that show you how to use and adjust their dies.  After you understand the process and have the basic equipment find a couple other manuals.  Load data varies quite a bit and there are far better loading manuals out there.

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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2008, 02:37:01 PM »
BB,

The Lee Challenger press that you are looking at will work just fine for loading all three rifle cases you want to load. When I started reloading I bought a used Lee Challenger press along with a used Hornady powder measure and scale. I have since "upgraded" to a RCBS rockchucker singlestage and a Hornady LNL progressive.

For the .223 you first need to determine the barrel twist of your rifle. Usually .223's come in 1-14 twist, or 1-9 twist. The 1-14 twist (slower) will usually work well with bullets up to 55 grain. Anything heavier (60 grains and over) should be shot from a 1-9 twist (faster twist) barrel. Barrel twist means the bullet rotates one revolution for every "X" number of inches it travels down the barrel. So....for a 1-9 twist it rotates 1 time when it travels 9 inches (faster) and for a 1-14 it rotates 1 time when it travels 14 inches (slower). Yeah....sounds kind of reverse...but it's not.

For bullets....I would try Hornady first. If your gun "likes" 'em, they are inexpensive to shoot and for varmits, they do a great job when they connect. You may have to try different powders to see which ones your gun likes. Post what kind of gun your shootin and guys will "chime in" and tell you what works best for them. That may not be the best for you, but you will get a good idea of what seems to be the most popular.

A reloading manual is always a good idea. And ALWAYS double check any load info you get from someone posting load data on the internet. I know I have posted data and hit the wrong key. Fortunately, some guys have caught it and that allowed me to change it. Still.....ALWAYS check the data.

Hope this helps.

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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2008, 03:38:02 PM »
Ya, thanks for all the stuff. I want to get a Remington 700 SPS Varmint. So, I need that kit, powder, brass, bullets, and that's it? Thanks again.

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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2008, 04:09:39 PM »
Welcome to reloading!  It will take your shooting and hunting experiences to a whole new level.  It is fun to play with loads and find out what your gun likes.  And, most of the time, you can load up something that will out shoot any factory load, and at a significant cost savings!

I have the RCBS Rock Chucker kit that I purchased 12 years ago (I'm 26 now, so I was your age when I started!)  I started loading for my .280, then my .22-250, then .223, and so on.  By the way, you won't save any money reloading, if anything, it will cost you a lot more!  You shoot way more than before.  That's how it worked for me.  I figured I was saving a bunch of money, so I could shoot more, and boy did I ever.  It was the best thing I ever did as far as shooting goes.  My shooting abilities increased 10 fold! 

Here are a few things that I have picked up over the small time I've been doing this that have helped me.

-Use spray on case lube (One Shot from Hornady).  It is a lot cleaner than the RCBS lube and pad.  And I think it is more     consistent too.
-Hand Priming tool (Either RCBS or Hornady).  You can get a better "feel" for how the primer seats.  Also, you can watch tv,  prime, and still spend time with the misses!  (This is a very valuable lesson, keep the little woman happy, and you can have more toys, and be able to use them if you're lucky!)
-Electronic Scale & Dispenser Combo.  I have the RCBS and I love it.  I don't have to trickle and weigh every charge, and it is very accurate.  Downside is the price.
-Tumbler.  Comes in very handy.  Other wise you can soak cases in a mixture of hot water and dish soap.  This cleans the cases pretty good.  Also, you won't have any dirt get caught in your die and causing a stuck case!
-Stuck Case Remover.  This has only happened once, and I didn't not have a remover, a few days before a mule deer hunt in Wyoming.  I learned my lesson.

Also, if you can, buy cases, bullets, and primers in bulk.  It may be more money up front, but it will save you in the long run.  For .22 cal, I have shot Sierra and Hornady with great results, and good pricing.  My .223 and .22-250 really like the 52 gr Sierra Matchkings.
 
These are a few tools that have helped me.  You can get by just fine with out them, but they are nice to have!  I picked up things here and there over the years.  Anyway, happy shooting and good luck!

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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2008, 04:22:11 PM »
Welcome to reloading!  It will take your shooting and hunting experiences to a whole new level.  It is fun to play with loads and find out what your gun likes.  And, most of the time, you can load up something that will out shoot any factory load, and at a significant cost savings!

I have the RCBS Rock Chucker kit that I purchased 12 years ago (I'm 26 now, so I was your age when I started!)  I started loading for my .280, then my .22-250, then .223, and so on.  By the way, you won't save any money reloading, if anything, it will cost you a lot more!  You shoot way more than before.  That's how it worked for me.  I figured I was saving a bunch of money, so I could shoot more, and boy did I ever.  It was the best thing I ever did as far as shooting goes.  My shooting abilities increased 10 fold! 

Here are a few things that I have picked up over the small time I've been doing this that have helped me.

-Use spray on case lube (One Shot from Hornady).  It is a lot cleaner than the RCBS lube and pad.  And I think it is more     consistent too.
-Hand Priming tool (Either RCBS or Hornady).  You can get a better "feel" for how the primer seats.  Also, you can watch tv,  prime, and still spend time with the misses!  (This is a very valuable lesson, keep the little woman happy, and you can have more toys, and be able to use them if you're lucky!)
-Electronic Scale & Dispenser Combo.  I have the RCBS and I love it.  I don't have to trickle and weigh every charge, and it is very accurate.  Downside is the price.
-Tumbler.  Comes in very handy.  Other wise you can soak cases in a mixture of hot water and dish soap.  This cleans the cases pretty good.  Also, you won't have any dirt get caught in your die and causing a stuck case!
-Stuck Case Remover.  This has only happened once, and I didn't not have a remover, a few days before a mule deer hunt in Wyoming.  I learned my lesson.

Also, if you can, buy cases, bullets, and primers in bulk.  It may be more money up front, but it will save you in the long run.  For .22 cal, I have shot Sierra and Hornady with great results, and good pricing.  My .223 and .22-250 really like the 52 gr Sierra Matchkings.
 
These are a few tools that have helped me.  You can get by just fine with out them, but they are nice to have!  I picked up things here and there over the years.  Anyway, happy shooting and good luck!

Thanks I will have to keep that in mind, but right now I am trying to just get enough stuff to make bullets that shoot true. Thanks again.

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Re: Beginner needs the basics.
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2008, 12:29:41 PM »
I almost forgot there are things that don't come with the Anniversary Kit.

1)  Dies for each caliber, buy them from a Lee distributor (VW thing again)
2.  Case trimmer for each caliber, buy Lee, again they're inexpensive and work fine I bought the hand drill adapter it's faster
3)  Calipers (Veneers) for measuring case length and COL (length of the entire cartridge, bullet and case) inexpensive ones work fine I
     like the digital.  (inexpensive not cheap) 

    Optional but nice to have;

4)  Tumbler or vibrator can wait a little while but its nice for cleaning cases
5)  Trickle charger lets you add powder to the scale one granule at a time, I used an empty 45-70 case for years
6)  Chronograph (measures bullet speed) if you know the velocity and bullet weight you can find the trajectory

   Before the tumbler or trickle charger there are expendable supplies you need but read the manual first, you'll better understand the choices you'll need to make.

1)  Primers, ($2 for 100) you'll need small rifle for 223 and large rifle for 243 and 308
2)  Bullets,  three calibers and a hundred choices
3)  Powder, three calibers and a hundred choices again


    Welcome to fascinating world of reloading.  You can save 40 to 80% spinning your own but don't kid yourself, you won't save money, just shoot allot more.

     Where you gona set up this bench or are you going to build one?   Midway has one for $50 you can set up and take down in a
     minute.

PS:  There are two great dangers in hand loading one is a double powder charge.  Do it and you'll blow your gun up.  Always pay attention to the details.  The second is no powder charge.  If the gun doesn't go bang hold it down range 30 seconds (hang fire)then open the gun, unload and check the barrel to see if there's a bullet stuck in it.  I did this twice when I first started loading and there was a bullet lodged in the barrel.  If you fire another round with a bullet lodged in the barrel bad things will happen!

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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2008, 02:40:14 AM »
Pay particular attention to what Freezer said in his last paragraph. Double powder loads are very dangerous. As are no powder loads....lodge a bullet in your barrel and shoot the next and you will destroy your gun in a heartbeat....and you could do some damage (or worse) to yourself.

Also....I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but it's worth repeating.....ALWAYS reload with safety glasses on!!!  You only have one set of eyes and one oops at the bench....nothing you can do will fix 'em!!!!! Safety glasses are cheap! Buy 'em wear 'em!!!

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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2008, 01:31:01 PM »
I almost forgot there are things that don't come with the Anniversary Kit.

1)  Dies for each caliber, buy them from a Lee distributor (VW thing again)
2.  Case trimmer for each caliber, buy Lee, again they're inexpensive and work fine I bought the hand drill adapter it's faster
3)  Calipers (Veneers) for measuring case length and COL (length of the entire cartridge, bullet and case) inexpensive ones work fine I
     like the digital.  (inexpensive not cheap) 

    Optional but nice to have;

4)  Tumbler or vibrator can wait a little while but its nice for cleaning cases
5)  Trickle charger lets you add powder to the scale one granule at a time, I used an empty 45-70 case for years
6)  Chronograph (measures bullet speed) if you know the velocity and bullet weight you can find the trajectory

   Before the tumbler or trickle charger there are expendable supplies you need but read the manual first, you'll better understand the choices you'll need to make.

1)  Primers, ($2 for 100) you'll need small rifle for 223 and large rifle for 243 and 308
2)  Bullets,  three calibers and a hundred choices
3)  Powder, three calibers and a hundred choices again


    Welcome to fascinating world of reloading.  You can save 40 to 80% spinning your own but don't kid yourself, you won't save money, just shoot allot more.
Ya, lol, but I NEED to shoot.  ;D
     Where you gona set up this bench or are you going to build one?   Midway has one for $50 you can set up and take down in a
     minute.
Well, I have a tool/workshop/garage bench. Will I be able to remove the press when I am done with it?

PS:  There are two great dangers in hand loading one is a double powder charge.  Do it and you'll blow your gun up.  Always pay attention to the details.  The second is no powder charge.  If the gun doesn't go bang hold it down range 30 seconds (hang fire)then open the gun, unload and check the barrel to see if there's a bullet stuck in it.  I did this twice when I first started loading and there was a bullet lodged in the barrel.  If you fire another round with a bullet lodged in the barrel bad things will happen!
Ya, I am guessing that would not be good.  :o



Pay particular attention to what Freezer said in his last paragraph. Double powder loads are very dangerous. As are no powder loads....lodge a bullet in your barrel and shoot the next and you will destroy your gun in a heartbeat....and you could do some damage (or worse) to yourself.

Also....I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but it's worth repeating.....ALWAYS reload with safety glasses on!!!  You only have one set of eyes and one oops at the bench....nothing you can do will fix 'em!!!!! Safety glasses are cheap! Buy 'em wear 'em!!!
I like my eyes. So, ya thanks for that. I didn't know that you should wear them. Thanks again.
Dave

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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2008, 02:23:10 PM »
    Yes,  you can take it out in seconds, just drill holes in the bench and hold the press down with carriage bolts, washers and wing nuts on the bottom.

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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2008, 02:37:13 PM »
    Yes,  you can take it out in seconds, just drill holes in the bench and hold the press down with carriage bolts, washers and wing nuts on the bottom.

Ok, thats good. Thanks again.

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« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2008, 08:36:16 PM »
Ballistic, I started 2 yrs younger than you, but I'am pushing 68 now. Ifin you dont get set up within the next week or so, have a lady friend that is selling all her  deceased husbans loading stuff. I'am kinda handling the deals for her. (I dont make anything on any of the sales) It is all LEE stuff, but all the basics (less dies, powder, primers and brass). I probable wont see her for 2 more weekends but sould be able to get you into it for around $50.00 (thats my guess on what I would sell it for if it was mine)

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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2008, 03:50:05 AM »
Ballistic, I started 2 yrs younger than you, but I'am pushing 68 now. Ifin you dont get set up within the next week or so, have a lady friend that is selling all her  deceased husbans loading stuff. I'am kinda handling the deals for her. (I dont make anything on any of the sales) It is all LEE stuff, but all the basics (less dies, powder, primers and brass). I probable wont see her for 2 more weekends but sould be able to get you into it for around $50.00 (thats my guess on what I would sell it for if it was mine)

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So, everything I need would be in that kit she has?(Minus the dies, powder, brass, bullets) So, if I bought that I would just need the stuff I listed? Thanks

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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2008, 04:12:58 AM »
Check with the person that gave you your Hunters Safety course  or a local LE officer and ask if he reloads or knows someone who does. If you can get up with someone who already knows, you'll be miles ahead, because you can watch and ask questions and get " hands on" experience.
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« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2008, 04:57:31 AM »
Check with the person that gave you your Hunters Safety course  or a local LE officer and ask if he reloads or knows someone who does. If you can get up with someone who already knows, you'll be miles ahead, because you can watch and ask questions and get " hands on" experience.

Ya, I might be able to do that.

Ok, how does this sound? With this will I be able to put out a round?
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=423081#enalarge(Lee Kit)
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=776391(Dies| I don't know if this is what I need. ???)
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=110591(Bullets| I don't know if this will work in .223 rem)
(For brass I will use left over stuff from factory ammo I will first use.)
(Can I buy powder and primers at my local gun store? Cause there is a $20 dollar fee for shipping it online.)

Tell me, if there is anything else I would need.(Most likely there will be. ;D)

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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2008, 05:03:05 AM »
Buy all your reloading components locally. Save your self that Hazmat shipping fee. You can get some sound advice on reloading usually from your local gun shop. :)

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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2008, 05:13:56 AM »
Buy all your reloading components locally. Save your self that Hazmat shipping fee. You can get some sound advice on reloading usually from your local gun shop. :)

So, like the powder and primers?

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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2008, 05:49:52 AM »
yes i would buy the powder and primers locally so i wouldnt have to pay hasmat shipping on them another good place to buy powder and primers is a gun show somebody will most likely be there selling that

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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2008, 06:50:02 AM »
Calipers!  You'll need to measure Case length and over all length with a bullet in the case.

Case trimmer.  A case will stretch with each firing and resizing and will need to be trimmed.  The Lee kit comes with a holder but you'll need the "Case length trimming guage"  About $3

The Lee kit your looking at doesn't have the manual with it.  Since your using Lee components get the Lee manual as your FIRST Manual.   You'll find good deals on other manuals at the gun shop.  Lee has a how to forum on their web site check it out. 
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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2008, 06:59:13 AM »
It sounds like Gun Runner might have a good deal going for you. Have him post you a list of what all he has for sale at @ $50.  In the mean time, get a good book on reloading and read it.  Ebay is a good place to look because it doesn't have to be a up to date book to have all the do's and don't's of reloading. And too, the .223 has been around for a while so any new info would just be about some powder that is just hitting the market.  
Actually, if you're gonna be reloading for a .223, H335 and any standard small rifle primer, and any 55 grain bulk bullet from Remington, or Hornady, or Midway DogTown is gonna get you off to a good start.  Reloading any rifle cartridge, you should choose a powder that would automatically guard against a double charge.
If you have never seen a Lee Loader, you owe it to yourself to find one and at least look at it.  And realize that not too long ago, Bench Rest shooters were setting records with tools quite similar.  And keep that in mind when you look at some of the "wish lists" and menus of things folks say you "must have" in order to reload.  There are only a few simple tools that are needed in order to reload good, accurate ammo; there are a lots of nice to have tools that make the job easier and faster; there are a myriad of thingies and gizmoes and gadgets designed to seperate the unwary from his money.  All of us reloaders have a collection of all three.
Assuming he reloads, if there is a locally owned gun shop near you, where you will be dealing with the owner, not a clerk, it could be a good source of components and mentoring.  It could also be a good source of info about used but not abused equipment.  Ebay is another source for dies.

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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2008, 07:19:34 AM »
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I remember the first time I looked at a loading manual about 40+ years ago. I was almost convinced that the book made a printing error when it showed less powder for a heavier bullet then the lighter one. I figured I should need more powder for the heavier bullet since the rifle had to do more work,. sort of like stepping on the gas pedal  when the car got heavier.

Then I looked at the powder( IMR) and thought to myself. I am going to go blind or insane if they want me to count out 32.5 grains of that stuff and what do I do about the .5 Do I cut one of those little kernels in half?

Laugh guys !! But I had nobody to tell me and thankfully I believed the book in regards to less powder for the heavier bullet and finally clicked on that grains was a measure of weight and not a number of those little bitty sticks.
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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2008, 07:23:51 AM »
Anyone getting started into reloading today has a huge advantage over guys that started before the days of google video and u-tube.  Go to websites like those and type in what you want to see.  You will get a great feel for how all the different presses work, how to set the dies, and anything else you may want to know.

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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2008, 09:53:47 AM »
It sounds like Gun Runner might have a good deal going for you. Have him post you a list of what all he has for sale at @ $50.  In the mean time, get a good book on reloading and read it.  Ebay is a good place to look because it doesn't have to be a up to date book to have all the do's and don't's of reloading. And too, the .223 has been around for a while so any new info would just be about some powder that is just hitting the market. 
Actually, if you're gonna be reloading for a .223, H335 and any standard small rifle primer, and any 55 grain bulk bullet from Remington, or Hornady, or Midway DogTown is gonna get you off to a good start.  Reloading any rifle cartridge, you should choose a powder that would automatically guard against a double charge.
If you have never seen a Lee Loader, you owe it to yourself to find one and at least look at it.  And realize that not too long ago, Bench Rest shooters were setting records with tools quite similar.  And keep that in mind when you look at some of the "wish lists" and menus of things folks say you "must have" in order to reload.  There are only a few simple tools that are needed in order to reload good, accurate ammo; there are a lots of nice to have tools that make the job easier and faster; there are a myriad of thingies and gizmoes and gadgets designed to seperate the unwary from his money.  All of us reloaders have a collection of all three.
Assuming he reloads, if there is a locally owned gun shop near you, where you will be dealing with the owner, not a clerk, it could be a good source of components and mentoring.  It could also be a good source of info about used but not abused equipment.  Ebay is another source for dies.
Ya, I sent gunrunner a message. So, we will see about that...... I have a local gun shop. I will have to go talk to the guy, and if my dad comes along(well, I am the one that needs the ride.  ;D) then we will both know what to do. Ya, I am just looking for the bare basics right now. As I get more experience I will get more stuff, but right now I just need enough to make a bullet.

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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2008, 09:59:29 AM »
Anyone getting started into reloading today has a huge advantage over guys that started before the days of google video and u-tube.  Go to websites like those and type in what you want to see.  You will get a great feel for how all the different presses work, how to set the dies, and anything else you may want to know.
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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2008, 10:01:31 AM »
Believe me when I say it's worth the wait to let free videos load.  You can also buy VHS or DVD's for reloading too.  I have an RCBS video and a Dillon 550b video.  Free is better if you have the patience to let them load.

I started off with an RCBS rock chucker kit.  It's a great way to learn and it's easy to upgrade from there.

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Re: Beginner needs the basics.
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2008, 10:11:05 AM »
Believe me when I say it's worth the wait to let free videos load.  You can also buy VHS or DVD's for reloading too.  I have an RCBS video and a Dillon 550b video.  Free is better if you have the patience to let them load.
Ya, I guess I can sit there and wait forever.......... :'( lol
I started off with an RCBS rock chucker kit.  It's a great way to learn and it's easy to upgrade from there.

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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2008, 10:36:41 AM »
Hey if it's a free instructional video that keeps a gun from blowing up in your face, suck it up a little. LOL.  Go make some popcorn while it's loading, trust me, the videos save time and money.

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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2008, 01:12:43 PM »
Hey, I was like 45-70. It was me against the world. 
I had a bunch of military surplus 30-06 brass and after crushing several primers trying to seat them, I assumed I had the wrong size and so I went to the sporting goods store that carried components and asked for some "military primers". The clerk didn't reload and didn't have a clue nor did anyone else that was working at the time. They did give the the time that the one fellow that reloaded would be working so I came back and he sold me the gizzie to remove the military crimp and told me how to use it.  I still have it.

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« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2008, 08:08:49 PM »
If you really want to start hand loading on the cheap, you could get one of the Classic Lee Loaders. That is how I started and it loaded good ammo. It is just a little slow but great to learn the basics with. After you get more comfortable with the whole process upgrade your equipment. If you decide you dont like hand loading(unlikely I know!) you wont be out much with a Lee Loader. Best of all the Lee Loader is completely portable and you can take it anywhere.
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