Thanks bogmaster,you made me feel bad for buying these bandit busters,i won them on eBay for 21 dollars for 4 of them,,i thought i was doing good,,but when i got them theyare open on one whole side and that sucks, i guess i will work on it and figure out something,anyways traps hanging will surely not catch anything!!! As for my other post about painted traps, i will not bother waxing them, they wont rust and they are for the water anyways,,thanks bog man Dave