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Re: What are folks thinking?
« Reply #30 on: June 16, 2008, 03:06:42 PM »
What type of ML is that you are shooting? I just don't see MOA at 400 yards as it is hard enough at 200-250.
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Re: What are folks thinking?
« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2008, 02:10:49 AM »
If you want to get technical, MOA changes with the yardage.  At 100 yards minute of angle means 1 inch.  At 50 yards, it's half an inch.  At 400 yards, 4 inches, and so on. 

If someone says they're getting 1 inch groups at 400 yards, they ought to go out and start competing for the big money.  (or quit lyin' to you)

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Re: What are folks thinking?
« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2008, 07:26:46 AM »
What type of ML is that you are shooting? I just don't see MOA at 400 yards as it is hard enough at 200-250.

TC Omega (thumbhole laminate) with tactical scope (I dial for EXACT range from laser rangefinder, I do NOT hold over).  I did refer to MOA and not 1-inch groups, as I average around 4 inches or so at 400 if the wind is not kicking up across the range.  Sub-4 is probably consistent and the best ever was around 2 inches but that was luck.

I use a 200gr Shockwave and 110gr loose FFg 777 powder.  I accurized the gun by installing aluminum pillars, floating the barrel, and bedding the action.  This was required because the point of impact shifted with action screw tightness before I did it.

Usually, if a gun will shoot MOA at 100 yds you can get that or close to it at 300-400 if you are using a load that stays supersonic at the target.  But while the gun may do it it requires more skill on the part of the shooter. 

I burned through 5-6 lbs of powder and hundreds of shots during load development for this gun, and once I found the perfect load I have not changed a thing in 4 years.  I do not try the latest bullet or the latest powder -- I stick with what is worked and proven.  I have probably a thousand shots or more with this exact load through this gun in that time -- I think I shot close to 200 rounds just tuning a new scope and calculating long range drops last summer (I have a 400yd backyard range).

Even with all that effort most of the deer this gun has taken, probably 80% of them, have been 120 yds or less (if I can get closer I do).  Another 10% fall from 120-180 yds.  I think I have only shots 4 over 180 yds at game -- 205, 209, 233, and 338.  Wind is a huge factor past 200 so I usually pass on them unless it is more or less calm (which is not often the case).

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Re: What are folks thinking?
« Reply #33 on: June 17, 2008, 07:36:19 AM »
If you want to get technical, MOA changes with the yardage.  At 100 yards minute of angle means 1 inch.  At 50 yards, it's half an inch.  At 400 yards, 4 inches, and so on. 

If someone says they're getting 1 inch groups at 400 yards, they ought to go out and start competing for the big money.  (or quit lyin' to you)
Yeah I know that. He said 4inchs at 400.
What type of ML is that you are shooting? I just don't see MOA at 400 yards as it is hard enough at 200-250.

TC Omega (thumbhole laminate) with tactical scope (I dial for EXACT range from laser rangefinder, I do NOT hold over).  I did refer to MOA and not 1-inch groups, as I average around 4 inches or so at 400 if the wind is not kicking up across the range.  Sub-4 is probably consistent and the best ever was around 2 inches but that was luck.

I use a 200gr Shockwave and 110gr loose FFg 777 powder.  I accurized the gun by installing aluminum pillars, floating the barrel, and bedding the action.  This was required because the point of impact shifted with action screw tightness before I did it.

Usually, if a gun will shoot MOA at 100 yds you can get that or close to it at 300-400 if you are using a load that stays supersonic at the target.  But while the gun may do it it requires more skill on the part of the shooter. 

I burned through 5-6 lbs of powder and hundreds of shots during load development for this gun, and once I found the perfect load I have not changed a thing in 4 years.  I do not try the latest bullet or the latest powder -- I stick with what is worked and proven.  I have probably a thousand shots or more with this exact load through this gun in that time -- I think I shot close to 200 rounds just tuning a new scope and calculating long range drops last summer (I have a 400yd backyard range).

Even with all that effort most of the deer this gun has taken, probably 80% of them, have been 120 yds or less (if I can get closer I do).  Another 10% fall from 120-180 yds.  I think I have only shots 4 over 180 yds at game -- 205, 209, 233, and 338.  Wind is a huge factor past 200 so I usually pass on them unless it is more or less calm (which is not often the case).

Sounds good. I would try some small game varmint hunting with this rig for an extra challenge since it shoots this well all of the time.
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Re: What are folks thinking?
« Reply #34 on: June 17, 2008, 01:28:33 PM »
If I had any ground varmints around here to hunt with it, I'd try to stretch it even further.  However there really isn't much opportunity.