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Re: 45-120 project started.
« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2008, 06:16:54 PM »
I'm talking grind-to-fit.

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Re: 45-120 project started.
« Reply #31 on: June 21, 2008, 04:21:01 AM »
The curved part of the stock will need to be cut off flat for the Limbsaver to be mounted.

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Re: 45-120 project started.
« Reply #32 on: June 21, 2008, 04:44:50 PM »
I'm going with the Kick-Eez brown, and a dead-mule recoil reducer in the stock.  Gunsmith is worried about putting lead shot in a bag or anything into the stock, only wants to work with a recoil reducer.  $60 for a dang 7 oz tube of mercury.  Can't find anything cheaper either.

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Re: 45-120 project started.
« Reply #33 on: June 21, 2008, 04:54:11 PM »
All of the MRRs at MPC are $34.95 each, link is in the FAQs.  ::) I'd be changing smiths if he's that ignorant, we've been using lead in the stock bolt hole here for years with no issues, what the heck is he worried about!!  :-X Several factory H&Rs come with steel bars in the stock for cripe sake!!

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Re: 45-120 project started.
« Reply #34 on: June 21, 2008, 05:03:39 PM »
He's says it's going to spill under the intense recoil of the 45-120...

Wow a 16 oz recoil reducer for $35!  I just made $40 today at work, I think I'll buy one of those.  Too bad that site doesn't have the brown magnum Kick-Eez in stock.  Shipping might bite me, but not near as bad as the $60 dead mule.

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Re: 45-120 project started.
« Reply #35 on: June 21, 2008, 05:08:31 PM »
I put shot in the butt stock of my 450 Marlin Handi and loaded it till it made my teeth hurt with no spills or adverse affects , sounds like he just wants to sell a recoil reducer .

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Re: 45-120 project started.
« Reply #36 on: June 21, 2008, 05:15:38 PM »
He's not selling it, he helps me for free.  I bring in stuff and he teaches me the art of gunsmithing, guess he just has his oppinions.

I'm not at home right now, but I was wondering if the recoil reducer that clamped on the barrel might work as somewhat of a tuner and recoil reducer.  Could anyone compare the thickness of their 12 gauge barrel to that of the BC?

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Re: 45-120 project started.
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2008, 01:31:41 AM »
Hey stimpy, is the 450 the reason you like the 224GNR so much? ??? :o ;D  DP
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Handi's:22Shot, 22LR, 2-22Mag, 22Hornet, 5-223, 2-357Max, 44 mag, 2-45LC, 7-30 Waters, 7mm-08, 280, 25-06, 30-30, 30-30AI, 444Marlin, 45-70, AND 2-38-55s, 158 Topper 22 Hornet/20ga. combo;  Levers-Marlins:Two 357's, 44 mag, 4-30-30s, RC-Glenfields 36G-30A & XLR, 3-35 Rem, M-375, 2-444P's, 444SS, 308 MX, 338Marlin MXLR, 38-55 CB, 45-70 GS, XS7 22-250 and 7mm08;  BLR's:7mm08, 358Win;  Rossi: 3-357mag, 44mag, 2-454 Casull; Winchesters: 7-30 Waters, 45Colt Trapper; Bolt actions, too many;  22's, way too many.  Who says it's an addiction?

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Re: 45-120 project started.
« Reply #38 on: June 26, 2008, 05:03:53 AM »
45-120 reamer rented from 4d
Kick Eez brown magnum recoil pad bought from Midway
16 oz Recoil reducer bought from MPC ($11.49 shipping?!)

Should have this thing done next week, then get brass and boolits...and powder...smokeless or black to start out with...such a tough decision.

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Re: 45-120 project started.
« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2008, 09:15:36 AM »
Word of warning, if you use black, make sure there is NO airspace between bullet and powder.  Some light compression is best.  I think the black gives more of a shove than a punch on the shoulder. :o  Good luck and let us know.  DP.
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Handi's:22Shot, 22LR, 2-22Mag, 22Hornet, 5-223, 2-357Max, 44 mag, 2-45LC, 7-30 Waters, 7mm-08, 280, 25-06, 30-30, 30-30AI, 444Marlin, 45-70, AND 2-38-55s, 158 Topper 22 Hornet/20ga. combo;  Levers-Marlins:Two 357's, 44 mag, 4-30-30s, RC-Glenfields 36G-30A & XLR, 3-35 Rem, M-375, 2-444P's, 444SS, 308 MX, 338Marlin MXLR, 38-55 CB, 45-70 GS, XS7 22-250 and 7mm08;  BLR's:7mm08, 358Win;  Rossi: 3-357mag, 44mag, 2-454 Casull; Winchesters: 7-30 Waters, 45Colt Trapper; Bolt actions, too many;  22's, way too many.  Who says it's an addiction?

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Re: 45-120 project started.
« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2008, 01:05:56 PM »
Tim: that is the best looking wood I seen so far on a stock B.C.
I wonder how many boxes you had to go threw before hitting on the nice grain .

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Re: 45-120 project started.
« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2008, 01:27:42 PM »
Thanks Lonewolf, but actually I've just been lucky, took what they had in stock, the cut off BC stock with the pad was my first BC stock that became a 45-120, the second stock came on the 38-55 Target that became a 405 Winchester, it was fairly plain, straight grained like most of them we see, then I sent the 45-120 BC frame and stock ::) in for another BC barrel and they chipped the stock which is why it got cut and pad installed, the replacement was the nice stock that's on it now. Then I bought another 38-55 Target this year and it has a great stock on it too, so 3 out of four ain't bad at all. :D

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Re: 45-120 project started.
« Reply #42 on: June 26, 2008, 01:30:09 PM »
Tyler, that's kinda steep on the shipping, but it doesn't surprise me considering the cost of fuel now. When I ordered the Trulock choke from MPC in April, I got free shipping, but it came direct from the manufacturer which may have had something to do with it. Looking forward to your reports. ;)

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« Reply #43 on: June 26, 2008, 06:48:59 PM »
I got the recoil pad today.  How is that possible, when I ordered last night?!  I bow down to Midway!
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I was thinking about buying a vintage looking scope and using blackpowder loads so I didn't crease my skull...but I found out a neighbor shoots highpower silhouette last night.  I've shot smallbore stuff competitively, always wanted to try high power.  Needless to say, after ringing the targets I'm wanting a silhouette rig. :o  I will no doubt keep working on the 45-120, but the better stock set, and all more expensive upgrades will be set on hold for now.

And if I get the elusive 32 on the ACT (which I should be receiving my score for pretty soon) the 338 Edge takes center stage.  It should be all the rifle I ever need for less than 1500 yards, when I learn how to shoot that far!  :D

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« Reply #44 on: June 27, 2008, 08:06:25 AM »
Read the sticky on adding weight to the fore arm.

Here are the several way's I've added weight to different stocks.

Mix the shot with epoxy, then pour/tamp it into a hole in the stock.

Mix the shot with epoxy, then pour/tamp it into a piece of pvc pipe, THEN, put it into the stock hole and epoxy a snug fitting plug filling the hole to the base of the stock.  I guarantee it won't shift in any way.

Do the same thing but use a piece of black pipe cut to fit, plus the epoxy/shot mix and wood plug.

Do the same thing but use a piece of alum tubing slightly smaller than the hole in the stock.  Put a delrin plug over the stock bolt head, then the alum tube, then a delrin "shock absorber" between the alum tube and the recoil pad and an extra screw close to the bolt hole.

Do similar things but use expanding foam to keep the pieces and parts in place...usually done in hollow synthetic stocks.

Use one of the cheap mercury recoil reducers in the buttstock and one of the "pencil" type epoxied in a slot in the forend.

Put the shot in a plastic baggy and stuff it into the stock hole...usually done temorarily to adjust the shot load to find the "perfect" amount of weight...but sometimes it gets to be a permanent "fix" when I get lazy.

Leave off the plastic baggie, pour the shot in the hole and fill it with expanding foam, screw the recoil pad on rapidly leaving one screw slightly loose to let the foad expand out through the crack. 
After solidifying, trim the excess foam off the stock face and recoil pad...really works great and is easy to remove if you (I) can't make up your(my) mind.

Calculate the amount of lead required, melt and pour into a piece of black pipe, alum tubing...follow the different ways of stuffing it into the stock hole and holding it there.

Buy some 1/4" round fishing lead weights, weigh out the requred amount, fold to fit the hole, foam it in or epoxy it in, or pound it in, or just use a snug wood plug tamped into the stock hole, cut flush with the stock face.

....Or any combination of the above that provides the requred weight, is cheap and might work.

As long as the weight doesn't shift and the stock is held on tight, it won't split the stock.

Oh...and some attempts I'm way to embarrased to talk about.   :'(

'Njoy

....Or get tired of the whole thing and get used to the slap or give it to a smith to mess with, it might be cheaper in the long run and less hair pulling or in my case (no hair) skin scratching.   :o  ;D  ::)


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Re: 45-120 project started.
« Reply #45 on: June 27, 2008, 03:44:50 PM »
DAMN! :o  DP.
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Handi's:22Shot, 22LR, 2-22Mag, 22Hornet, 5-223, 2-357Max, 44 mag, 2-45LC, 7-30 Waters, 7mm-08, 280, 25-06, 30-30, 30-30AI, 444Marlin, 45-70, AND 2-38-55s, 158 Topper 22 Hornet/20ga. combo;  Levers-Marlins:Two 357's, 44 mag, 4-30-30s, RC-Glenfields 36G-30A & XLR, 3-35 Rem, M-375, 2-444P's, 444SS, 308 MX, 338Marlin MXLR, 38-55 CB, 45-70 GS, XS7 22-250 and 7mm08;  BLR's:7mm08, 358Win;  Rossi: 3-357mag, 44mag, 2-454 Casull; Winchesters: 7-30 Waters, 45Colt Trapper; Bolt actions, too many;  22's, way too many.  Who says it's an addiction?

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Re: 45-120 project started.
« Reply #46 on: July 03, 2008, 05:01:32 PM »
Goin' to the gunsmith's Sunday. ;D

Ordering brass, dies and 405 grain Remingtons, along with powder, and getting my subscription to ammoguide tomorrow. 

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Re: 45-120 project started.
« Reply #47 on: July 03, 2008, 06:00:16 PM »
Good on ya!!  ;)
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« Reply #48 on: July 04, 2008, 08:01:48 PM »
My first load, a dose of IMR-4320 under a Remington 405 grainer for somewhere abouts 2500 fps.  I'll get a video of me shooting it.  ;D
This gun is being written up for an article in a magazine, hopefully I'll get to post it up here as well.

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Re: 45-120 project DONE.
« Reply #49 on: July 06, 2008, 12:46:06 PM »
Well here it is!  ;D








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Re: 45-120 project DONE.
« Reply #50 on: July 06, 2008, 01:30:52 PM »
Very, very nice!!


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Re: 45-120 project DONE.
« Reply #51 on: July 06, 2008, 01:43:34 PM »
Very nice , you did good , are you happy with how it turned out ? that's the most important thing .

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Re: 45-120 project DONE.
« Reply #52 on: July 06, 2008, 01:54:44 PM »
Lookin good Tyler, you and your smith do good work!! 

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Re: 45-120 project DONE.
« Reply #53 on: July 06, 2008, 02:17:48 PM »
Looks very nice.  Sure is a big ol chunk of brass!   :o

Now we need a range report.   :)

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Re: 45-120 project DONE.
« Reply #54 on: July 06, 2008, 02:42:56 PM »
Well I'm not old enough to buy powder, so range report will wait until one of my parents can go with me to the shop...






which better be tomorrow! ;D

I am happy with it, especially the recoil pad. Glad I went with brown. We spent at least an hour and a half getting it to fit just right.  I hand reamed the chamber, it will kind of make me proud of my work if shoots well, since "I did it".

One thing I am not happy about at all his how fast it rusts.  I had it out to show family yesterday and I looked it over, absolutely no rust at all, anywhere.  Wiped it down, put it away.  This morning I got up around 10:30 (I am a teenager after all) and put the gun in a case with a my Citori to take the the smith's. (had a ding in the rib)  Got to the smith's and opened the gun case at 2:00 precisely.  We put the gun in a vice, low and behold there's rust forming on the barrel, action, on the portion of the chamber where the rim sits.  We got it all off, but I still have no clue how it could form so fast.  I keep my guns in a dehumidified safe in my basement, and the Citori showed no rust. 

Thanks to everyone who helped me make all the decisions when it came to ordering this gun, and especially thanks to quickdtoo who got me thinking about this project on another site.  He has helped me more than anyone I know, and didn't get mad when I posted some foolish stuff.

Thanks again,
Tyler

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Re: 45-120 project DONE.
« Reply #55 on: July 06, 2008, 02:50:50 PM »
"Always do right, this will gratify some and astonish the rest" -  Mark Twain

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Re: 45-120 project DONE.
« Reply #56 on: July 06, 2008, 03:03:41 PM »
Time for some Eezox.

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« Reply #57 on: July 06, 2008, 03:17:17 PM »
Or Breakfree CLP, Eezox is my first choice, but hard to find unless you go online, Breakfree CLP is sold in grocery stores here and it rates with the best of em as a protectant! :D

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« Reply #58 on: July 06, 2008, 04:26:40 PM »
Where the heck do you find breakfree in a grocery store?

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Re: 45-120 project DONE.
« Reply #59 on: July 06, 2008, 11:41:23 PM »
Check were they put the motor oil , WD-40 and all the other odd ball stuff , we have it here in Ohio too .

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