Mrs Cindy McCain - Kinda Long

[beemanbeme]

 I seldom cut and paste but this is an interesting read I think. And adds depth to the McCain family. Sorry for the length.  John

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> Cindy McCain, Senator John McCain's Better Half
> INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY Posted 5/1/2008 Election
> 2008: Cindy Hensley McCain has been disparaged as a trophy
> wife, a Barbie, an heiress with fancy purses, even the
> Paris Hilton of politics. But there's more to the
> picture than meets the eye. Yes, Mrs. McCain is the
> perfectly coifed blonde standing dutifully behind the
> senator during his speeches. And yes, she wears stylish
> clothing and carries a Prada purse. And it's true she
> doesn't say much. But feminist critics who write her
> off as a "stand-by-your-man" shrinking violet
> are selling her short. In many ways, Cindy McCain stacks up
> sturdier than Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama. And
> she'd make a more impressive first lady. While
> Obama's wife has been hating America, complaining about
> the war and undermining our troops serving in Iraq and
> Afghanistan, McCain's wife has been worrying about her
> sons who actually are fighting or planning to fight in the
> war on terror. One, in fact, was until a few months ago
> deployed in Iraq during some of the worst violence. You
> don't hear the McCains talk about it, but their
> 19-year-old Marine, Jimmy, is preparing for his second tour
> of duty. Their 21-year-old son, Jack, is poised to graduate
> from Annapolis and also could join the Marines as a second
> lieutenant. The couple made the decision not to draw
> attention to their sons out of respect for other families
> with sons and daughters in harm's way. Cindy also says
> she doesn't want to risk falling apart on the campaign
> trail talking about Jimmy who was so young when he enlisted
> she had to sign consent forms for his medical tests before
> he could report for duty and potentially upsetting parents
> of soldiers who are serving or have been killed. The
> McCains want to make sure their boys get no special
> treatment. Same goes for their five other children,
> including a daughter they adopted from Bangladesh.During a
> visit to Mother Teresa's orphanage there, Cindy noticed
> a dying baby. The orphanage could not provide the medical
> care needed to save her life. So she brought the child home
> to America for the surgery she desperately needed. The baby
> is now their healthy, 16-year-old daughter, Bridget. Though
> all seven McCain children including two Sen. McCain adopted
> from his first marriage are supportive of their father,
> they prefer their privacy to the glare of the campaign
> trail. Another daughter, Meghan, 23, helps him behind the
> scenes. Cindy McCain not only cherishes her children, but
> also her country, which in an election year filled with
> America-bashing, is a refreshing novelty. She seethed when
> she heard Michelle Obama's unpatriotic remarks that she
> only recently grew proud of America. "I am very proud
> of my country," Mrs. McCain asserted. She also may be
> tougher than the other women in the race. While Hillary
> thinks she's come under sniper fire on mission trips
> abroad, Cindy has actually seen violence. She witnessed a
> boy get blown up by a mine in Kuwait during a trip with an
> international group that removes land mines from war-torn
> countries. Mrs. McCain also is a hands-on philanthropist.
> She sits on the board of Operation Smile, which arranges
> for plastic surgeons to fix cleft palates and other birth
> defects. She also has helped organize relief missions to
> Micronesia. During a scuba-diving vacation to the islands,
> Mrs. McCain took a friend to a local hospital to have a cut
> treated. She was shocked, and saddened, by what she saw.
> "They opened the door to the OR, where the supplies
> were, and there were two cats and a whole bunch of rats
> climbing out of the sterile supplies," she recalled.
> "They had no X-ray machine, no beds. To me, it was
> devastating because it was a U.S. trust territory." As
> soon as she returned home, she arranged for medical
> equipment and teams of doctors to be sent to treat the
> island children. Michelle Obama may contribute to CARE,
> which fights global poverty and works to empower poor
> women. Cindy sits on its board. While the Democrat women
> talk about helping the poor and needy, Cindy McCain
> actually rolls up her sleeves and does it. Who's the
> out-of-touch elitist?
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[torpedoman]

McCain did real well for himself in the wife department. Beautiful, intelligent, rich, owns a beer business, Every sailors dream girl. On the serious side i think she would do more for our image than any of the politicans running including her husband

[Sourdough]

Some of us married the first ones, cause we were stupid.  The second ones we thought about.

[AtlLaw]

Amen!   

[DakotaElkSlayer]

LUKE 16:18

Jim

[ironglow]

  TM;

   "Dumping" his first wife ? I was told his first wife divorced him while he was "engaged" in the Hanoi Hilton,
   ..you know; the one where Hanoi Jane Fonda did her dirty work. I was just told that, don't know for sure !
  Perhaps someone here knows the real story !

[hillbill]

if thats the case then who on gods green earth could hold it agin him for a divorce? anybody have any info on this?to be honest i wouldnt hold a divorce agin him anyway.just curious what kind of B he was married to the first time.

[ironglow]

 Oops!;
   If Wikipedia is correct, TM may have been closer to the truth ! In any case, the divorce did not occur until 1881? No way of knowing just how his Hanoi Hilton
  experiences affected the situation, but it was not apparently a POW divorce thing.
         I was surprised to learn that McCain was a genuine hero BEFORE he entered into combat. He was in his plane on deck of the USS Forrestal when that
  death dealing fire took place. He exited his fighter jet safely, and could have scurried for cover immediately and noone would have faulted him. However, he
  climbed aboard another fighter jet to help free a disabled pilot, was caught in a secondary explosion and suffered burns and shrapnel wounds.
       Very interesting story..but keep in mind..it's Wikipedia..

           http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

[Dee]

There were many heroes that came out of the VietNam conflict, and not all were Navy pilots. I have a cousin whom was on a Marine Battalion Landing Team (BLT). It was understood when they got the call to scramble, that a fire base was being overrun or, had been over run. He carried no food on these missions, only four canteens, two full cans of ammo, and all the loaded magazines on bandoleers he could run with. They usually started taking fire 2 to 4 miles out, and literally ran a gauntlet to get to the fire base. He personally had three helicopters shot out from under him crash landing each time on the fire base perimeter, once causing him to dis-locate a shoulder which went untreated for almost three days due to heavy fighting.
He now suffers from a myriad of health problems due to these injuries and abuses of his body. HOWEVER! He has not lost sight of the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, and unlike John McCain, is a TRUE CONSERVATIVE.
I am happy for Mr. McCain that he has a beautiful wife with brains,  and I respect his son's service just as I respect MY SONS (both of them) service. My youngest is a Sgt. in the 82nd Airborne, with a combat tour in Afghanistan, and two in Iraq. Last year he turned 23 fighting house to house in Baghdad. He too is a hero, in my eyes.
All this however, does not do away with the fact that John McCain is a closet liberal, socialist, Marxist.

[ironglow]

Amen Dee;
   There are many heroes that emerge from these conflicts..including your son, who fought door-to-door..Every one of these young soldiers and Marines that do the
  door-to-door duty are courage personified !. My grandson finished 2 deployments to Iraq. First one was with the 22nd MEU(spec Ops)..like your friend, he was a
   member of a BLT (1/2) toxbe exact. Lots of door-to-door in Ramadi/Fallujah area, plus special operations.  He is now a platoon Sgt in S. Carolina, and like your son..23.
   Please give your sons a hearty thanks from me and mine ! These courageous young men are "the cream of the crop"..

[beemanbeme]

TM, suggest you change friends or find another inside info source.  Don't know exactly what your friend meant by "hotdogging" (doubt that he does either) but the first thing you do on a wet start is to turn up 100% and try to blow the flames out.  Do you, or your friend, know what a "wet start" is?  To folks that work around jet aircraft, both military and commercial, they're not uncommon.

[beemanbeme]

Maybe times have changed but I've never known any pilot to deliberately create a hot start as there is a degree of peril involved. 
Essentially you start the rotors turning and as they reach a certain rpm, you inject fuel into the combustion chamber and hit the igniters which ignites the fuel. The initial starting is done with auxillary power units so think of it as push starting an automobile w/o a battery.
If the fuel doesn't ignite on your first try, you have to let the rotors wind down and start over.  However you then have a quantity of raw fuel (not vapour) puddled in the bottom of the combustion chamber and some of which has been blown into the tailpipe and even leaked onto the tarmac.  If you ignite on the second attempt, the puddled fuel catches fire so you have a quantity of flames shooting out of the tailpipe.  You tell the pilot about it and he runs up the engine. This helps to vapourize any liquid fuel and to blow out any flames.  It looks quite dramatic to the uninformed.  If you have a fire on the ground, depending on the attitude of the tailpipe you may taxi forward a few feet and try to blow it out or just taxi forward far enough to be out of harm's way. After the A/C leaves, someone gives it a shot of purple K and it back to business.
Some pilots will continue to spin the engine for a few moments, hoping to dissapate the fuel and then start the fuel, igniter sequence again.  They will usually get some flames also. I don't know that either way is considered hot dogging.

FYI, one of the traits looked for in psychological profiling for pilots, both military combat and commercial, is a large ego. 

[AtlLaw]

FYI, one of the traits looked for in psychological profiling for pilots, both military combat and commercial, is a large ego. 

A-hem!   

[beemanbeme]

I know you meant to say A-men not A-hem. 

Actually, that's not a bad thing.  It usually means he (she) is a self-reliant take-charge type capable of independent problem solving. 

[billy_56081]

Actually,  AtLaw said 'amen' in post #4,,,,so later.....?

 Yeah that's about what I was thinking about wet start. So, a large healthy ego is selected for. A-hem,,,than he would never be a cut up, horse around, tempermental, pratical joker, or hotdogger pilot...?  Wait a minute...that's some of the things he was known for....

 You can take the wet start story for what it is.  As I said reports are that they had to get his arse of that ship pretty fast.  Look into it.

...TM7

 Once again we hear from someone who knows nothing about the military or miltary personel from personal experiance, just from the fiction he reads. Pilots are hot doggers, jokers and have a huge ego. It is in the nature of them they push the envelope of life and death not just in combat but in the manuver they use just in training. Sorry ta have to tell ya this TM7 a cowardly lil book worm aint gonna make it through pilot training. It takes a person that is not only confident in his abilities ,but also a person that actually has those abilities.

[ironglow]

 Dakotaelkslayer;
 
   Luke 6:42

[SHOOTALL]

All th BS aside , As long as SHE AIN"T LIKE BIIIERY I'm happy !

[beemanbeme]

Of course, TM. it's all part of a conspiracy by Mcdonald Douglas to take over the world.  It's okay if you vote for that cross between Uncle Remus and Jimmy Carter.  Maybe they'll make Arafat's birthday a National Holiday. 

Do you have any idea of how many folks are ON an aircraft carrier??  What did your friend do to have such intimate information?  Or is this some more of your "oh it was general knowledge"?  Come on guy. 

The question does beg to be asked: What does my post about the substance of Cindy McCain when compared to Michelle Obama or Hillary Clinton have to do with your usual, senseless attack and groundless accusations about McCain? 

[Dee]

Proverbs 26:21  This is fun.

[ironglow]

 TM;

        You claim to not like McCain, well I'm not fascinated by his candidacy either, only as a way to keep a
    radical Marxist and possible sleeper Muslim from gaining the office by default !
     You claim you do not care for either; however, as Beeman so aptly pointed out, we are still waiting for
    your critical appraisal of the Obama candidacy and the evaluation of Michelle as first spouse !
           Surely, with Obamas extreme socialist leanings and his discomforting connections with Muslim
     radicals, terrorists and "Africa above all" types..such would be in order; but you are strangely silent !
   
   It would seem that a RP supporter should be ready to castigate both, and be ready to congratulate
   either when they come up with a "Paulist" program !
   
      Yet your numerous brickbats seem aimed primarily, in one direction only !

      Dakota & Dee, (Matt 23:27..somewhat oblique)

[beemanbeme]

Dr Bill Cosby had some interesting comments about Sen Obama and his link with Rev Wright and the "black situation" in America in general which I found interesting.  He didn't feel the link was something one could turn off like a light switch.

[Dee]

Dr Bill Cosby had some interesting comments about Sen Obama and his link with Rev Wright and the "black situation" in America in general which I found interesting.  He didn't feel the link was something one could turn off like a light switch.

beemanbeme, I would agree with Mr. Cosby on that. Birds of a feather, so to speak. However, many are putting their faith in McCain to save them from Obama, but he too is bordering on Marxism, and rather openly I might add.
He like all politicians will say whatever needs to be said, to get elected, but it is foolish to ignore YEARS of voting habits where he has continually voted extremely liberal, and 73 %  of the time anti-gun.
We see Obama's years of affiliations, but seem to ignore McCains.
Our country will not change until our voting habits change. Our politicians "reflect" our voting habits. There is a price to be paid for such habits, and it WILL be paid, whether anyone wants to or not.

[beemanbeme]

Dee, for the 4627th time, you are absolutely correct.  And for the 4628th time, you ain't gonna change nothing by voting for the "kiss the cow to death instead of shooting her" candidate.  Or by not voting.  You have written pages and pages of why and how both of the candidates are POS's and you, in good conscious, could not vote for either one of them.  And no one has been able to dispute your position.  BUT, the fact remains, ONE OF THEM IS GONNA WIN. It will be a small comfort to you, when Idi Amin, aka Rev Wright, is the Sec'y of Health, Ed, and Welfare, to say "neener, neener, neener, don't blame me, I didn't vote for him."
Politicans give lip service to "get out the vote".  But they lie.  They don't want folks to vote.  The fewer folks that vote, the fewer they have to pander to. The fewer they are accountable to. the pol can suck up to a few single issue groups like PETA or Cat Lovers of America and carry the election based on his perceived ideas about whether boys should wear ear rings or not. Just like the apes pounding away on the typewriters, the more of us that vote, the more likely we are to get it right.  The pols much prefer us to stay home.
I watched on TV the other day, in Zimbabwe, the supporters of one party was actually chasing the supporters of the other party away from the polls and beating them to keep them from voting.  It's amazing that in some countries, folks will walk miles and miles, risk beatings, and being shot at and killed in order to vote and we can't put down our beer and turn off reality TV long enough to go to the polls.
We deserve the political mess we've got.

[Dee]

Dee, for the 4627th time, you are absolutely correct.  And for the 4628th time, you ain't gonna change nothing by voting for the "kiss the cow to death instead of shooting her" candidate.  Or by not voting.  You have written pages and pages of why and how both of the candidates are POS's and you, in good conscious, could not vote for either one of them.  And no one has been able to dispute your position.  BUT, the fact remains, ONE OF THEM IS GONNA WIN. It will be a small comfort to you, when Idi Amin, aka Rev Wright, is the Sec'y of Health, Ed, and Welfare, to say "neener, neener, neener, don't blame me, I didn't vote for him."
Politicans give lip service to "get out the vote".  But they lie.  They don't want folks to vote.  The fewer folks that vote, the fewer they have to pander to. The fewer they are accountable to. the pol can suck up to a few single issue groups like PETA or Cat Lovers of America and carry the election based on his perceived ideas about whether boys should wear ear rings or not. Just like the apes pounding away on the typewriters, the more of us that vote, the more likely we are to get it right.  The pols much prefer us to stay home.
I watched on TV the other day, in Zimbabwe, the supporters of one party was actually chasing the supporters of the other party away from the polls and beating them to keep them from voting.  It's amazing that in some countries, folks will walk miles and miles, risk beatings, and being shot at and killed in order to vote and we can't put down our beer and turn off reality TV long enough to go to the polls.
We deserve the political mess we've got.

Most of what you say I agree with. The neener thing is childish on your part, and a sign of you totally missing my point. I am not dodging blame for not voting for McCain. I am not voting for him because he is PART OF THE PROBLEM. He is as much to blame for the mess this country is in, and more so actually than Obama, as he has been voting in the Senate LONGER.
Both are scoundrels, and I voting "morally" for a more honest candidate. As I have said before, this country WILL NOT CHANGE, until our VOTING HABITS CHANGE. Like it or not that is the truth.
If you are comfortable voting McCain, then you should vote McCain.  I am NOT comfortable voting for him and will not. This is America, and I do not have to ADJUST my voting to APPEASE ANYONE. This does not make me wrong, only in disagreement with your strategy. You may choose to accuse me of being wrong, but I believe you are wrong in voting same ole same ole.
I will also agree that we deserve this mess, and the next one we are getting, for voting the same as we always have. Voting McCain will prevent nothing. Merely prolong it, and let it get worse. One has to start somewhere.

[beemanbeme]

Dee, you have made your point so many times, and in so many different threads,  it would be impossible not to get it.  And I will reiterate my position that the only thing you will gain is a warm, fuzzy feeling as America turns to organic fertilizer and runs through your fingers.  Change doesn't start at the top. Now make a closing post about how you are taking the moral high road and let's be done with this.  I know I am.


Now, once again, we have strayed far afield from Cindy McCain.  I only made the post to help flesh out the woman as she is something of an enigma compared to Clinton and Obama. Not to discuss aircraft carriers or the voting patterns of America.

[Graybeard]

One has to start somewhere.

Correct and as I've said time and again that some where is LOCAL and STATE level NOT national level.

Voting in a manner that assures the greater of two evils wins in order to say you didn't vote for the lesser of two evils is still putting that greater evil in power. At the national level the best we can hope for at this time is to get the lesser evil and only when we've done right by starting at the local level in install good people can our votes at the national level for a better candidate have meaning.

[SHOOTALL]

 voting for the lesser of two evils is conceeding defeat !

[USMCmailman]

You Gents are all missing the point!

  " Do you know why divorce is so expensive ?----------------------  BECAUSE IT'S WORTH IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dee]

One has to start somewhere.

Correct and as I've said time and again that some where is LOCAL and STATE level NOT national level.

Voting in a manner that assures the greater of two evils wins in order to say you didn't vote for the lesser of two evils is still putting that greater evil in power. At the national level the best we can hope for at this time is to get the lesser evil and only when we've done right by starting at the local level in install good people can our votes at the national level for a better candidate have meaning.

GB, most of the time you and I agree, whether on the forums, or the phone. This time however we do not. I have given my opinion on this mess, as you and the others have also. The powers that be, expect you to do exactly what you plan on doing, making you just another predictable voter.
Until the Libertarian party starts receiving support from the majority of voters, the two party system will NEVER change. You and the others are basically FEEDING THE TIGER. He will only grow stronger with that method. Whether it be voting local, state, or national level, voting for a bad candidate, is voting for a bad candidate. The results will be, a bad office holder. Supporting a bad candidate is NEVER a good idea, and nothing can justify it. This election's candidates is merely a result of your voting for the lessor, in the last election. It just got worse, each time, and will continue to do so. You guys continue to empower the party, and next election will be worse, as they have continued to worsen, each time ya'll vote for the lessor, but ya'll will as always comply. You are in a rut. As my, grandmother used to say: When you find yourself in a hole. Stop diggin! You guys need to turn in your shovels. By being afraid to change from a bad habit, you and the rest are voting us all into oblivion. jmo

[Dee]

TM7, we may not agree on a lot of things, but we certainly do on this. It would appear that the majority cannot determine when enough is enough. Until a bad habit, in this case, a voting bad habit is stopped, the problem will never stop.
It's like asking a smoker why he is smoking when he said he was quiting. Putting off, is not quiting. And before anyone asks. I smoked from age 12 to age 32.
Like my bad voting habits (voting for the lessor of) I used an age old method of stopping smoking. I quit buying the damn things. If you don't have'em you can't smoke'em.
If you don't vote in scoundrels in, you don't have to vote'em out. Same principal. Courage is all it takes to go against the establishment.