My last new Handi Rifle

[petemi]

I've made up my mind.  I've got my last NEW Handi Rifle.  Everything I buy from here on out will be used.  Tim, if you want to move this, please do, but I've got to get it off my chest.  I was awake at 2:30 this morning thinking about  the NEF people in Gardner, about the furniture plant more than likely closing, about how wonderful the NEF employees are and how ruthless Big Green is.  I for one will never own another Remington, shoot a Remington round or buy any Remington component or product.  Export jobs, import poverty.  Thank you Remington.

[BBF]

  What ? Are they going to China as well?

[petemi]

.45-70,  It would not surprise me.  How far away to you believe that move is?  I mean closing plants in towns that depend on them.  Pete

[NONYA]

The remington name was bough by a big conglomerate,their prices havnt risen like some others have.If you want to blame outsourcing on someone blame it on the unions that drive big american companys out,if they would work for the wages and benis that most non union people do this wouldnt be happening all over the US.Unless their quality takes a dump I will continue to buy from the BIG EVIL GREEN,show me one person you know who doesnt buy some product that is made outside of the US and Ill show you a  major gun company that doesent outsource some parts and pieces in their production process.

[stimpylu32]

The remington name was bough by a big conglomerate,their prices havnt risen like some others have.If you want to blame outsourcing on someone blame it on the unions that drive big american companys out,if they would work for the wages and benis that most non union people do this wouldnt be happening all over the US.Unless their quality takes a dump I will continue to buy from the BIG EVIL GREEN,show me one person you know who doesnt buy some product that is made outside of the US and Ill show you a  major gun company that doesent outsource some parts and pieces in their production process.

And as long as the big companies were making tons of money they were more than happy to say YES to anything the unions ask for , but once they started to drop their profit margins by paying the CEOs and other bigshots obseen amounts of money -- Well its the UNIONS screwing us -- These companies are moving these jobs overseas just to pad the pockets of a select few .

Most of the oil companies in this country are NON-Union so why am I paying $4.00 + a gal. for gas ? Why ar these same oil companies EXPORTING american oil overseas ? simple  - just to pad their pockets with record profits . 

If you want to blame someone , blame the CEOs and CFOs who made the choice to put their own profits ahead of the american people who buy their products .

Rant over !

Richard Kohli

International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers . Local 32

[jdwolf]

The remington name was bough by a big conglomerate,their prices havnt risen like some others have.If you want to blame outsourcing on someone blame it on the unions that drive big american companys out,if they would work for the wages and benis that most non union people do this wouldnt be happening all over the US.Unless their quality takes a dump I will continue to buy from the BIG EVIL GREEN,show me one person you know who doesnt buy some product that is made outside of the US and Ill show you a  major gun company that doesent outsource some parts and pieces in their production process.

[petemi]

I didn't mean to start an argument.  I just believe Remington is moving toward its own economic well being...........Gardner, MA....so what?  And no, it won't surprise me when they get components or the whole product manufactured in China, Mexico or some other cheap labor place.  I'm done with Big Greedy Green.  Lets keep the American Home Town alive and well.

[NONYA]

I spent enough years in the teamsters union to know how they run big companys out of buisness with their rediculous demands for higher pay and more benis ever year.If you dont think unions are bad for buisness in the US you are either in one and in denial or completly ignorant to their tactics.You know how long it has been since the big US auto makers moved their truck plants to mexico and canada,know why?UNIONS!I still see them everywhere I look,brand new ones every year,doesnt seem to bother anyone around here.

[dpe.ahoy]

All I got to say is if I ain't worth a several million dollar a year bonus, they sure as hell aren't!     And I'm not!  DP.

[1871]

PETEMI,

With all due respect, I have to agree and disagree. You see along about 2004/2005 I decided I wanted to do all I could to support our economy, and for my 3 children's first guns to be American made. I bought 3 Versa-Pak .22/410's and 3 .243/20 ga Youth Combo's.  All products made in USA (H&R, NEF, Marlin). None of the low-buck Rossi stuff here. I have since bought a pump shotgun and later an autoloading shotgun. You got it- Remington- on both counts- made in USA. While the pump and EXCELL auto from H&R, NEF, Marlin are made in China. I hear they are good enough guns, and they certainly cost less money. I am a working man- the only real VOTE I have is with my dollar. I'll continue to VOTE wisely. It has been my observation most things in life come down to the bottom line- and when it hits them in the pocket book- you'll have their attention! Politicians and Corporations! It's always about the money. Food for thought.

May God bless our great Country and the good folks in Gardner. But, if New York has to be, it has to be. I'll continue to buy New York (Made in USA) handi's.

Just my  2 Cents worth,

'71

[canoe13]

Hey,   Big Green is not exporting the jobs anywhere but to the original Remington plant in Ilion NY. They will be upgrading the factory as well  and adding jobs . I can not wait to buy a Handi rifle made in the good old Empire State.    This not a rumor but from a press release published in Gun Digest.

[trotterlg]

You really believe press releases published in gun mags??  The old H&R is dead and gone, it is exactly like you dieing and someone else taking your name, same name but different person.  A corporation is a person with no memory and no morals.  Only thing to do now is see how the new person with the old name turns out.  Larry

[Sitting Duck]

Petemi:  I too find it sad when a company pulls out of a small town.  The reprecussions for the communities can be devastating.  With the high price of fuel, driving out of town to find work is sometimes a wash cost wise.  This is happening in Pemberville, OH with the Modine radiator plant.  They are leaving and somewhere between 200-300 employees will lose their jobs.  Not only does this impact the famillies but the Village as well, in that they are the largest employer in town.

At least the production is staying the U.S.  For the corporations that have taken their production overseas, to Mexico, and Canada they were allowed to do so by us, the consumer.  China-Mart didn't become the world's largest retailer without our help and dollars. 

It will only get worse, unless our people wise up.  We are allowing ourselves to become a Third World Country.  Global economics doesn't bring Third World Countries up to our standard of living,  it just brings our standard of living down to theirs.

A sad state of affairs.

[NONYA]

I dont think they can hurt the quality of the handis,maybe their quality will improve after a move to a third world country.

[nomosendero]

"export jobs, import poverty". That has not happened yet, so what is the purpose of starting this thread. And then say that "I didn't mean to start an argument". Then what did you intend to start? 

[BBF]

Seems to me this post started with someone saying he would not buy any more Handi's because they are closing the plant. I then asked if they are moving producton to China. Apparently they are not,
just relocating somewhere else in the US. I am at ease with that.

When VW moved their plant from TN to Mexico I stopped buying their cars. I do the same to any other Co.that moves production offshore, especially China, if I can.

[quickdtoo]

Pete started the thread stating he wouldn't buy any more NEW Handis, just used. 

Tim

I've made up my mind.  I've got my last NEW Handi Rifle.  Everything I buy from here on out will be used. 

[LaOtto222]

Each individual has to make their own decisions what and when they buy. We are in a global economy like it or not. If you want to stop buying Handis and just buy used, then that is a decision I respect. Of course if every one does as you, there will be no more Handi rifles; period. I guess we buy Rossi rifles?

As for the other world, but specifically US problems; high oil prices, high wages, low over seas wages, foreign owned companies, goods being made out side US, etc. There are no simple answers. It is easy to blame "greedy" oil men for the high cost of crude oil, but that is not the whole problem, much too simplistic. We have oil speculators driving up oil prices, we have more world demand for oil - China's economy is booming and they are using more and more oil - environmentalists have stopped drilling and exploration for domestic oil are just a few of reasons oil is high. You can go on and on just why oil prices are high with no easy solutions. Want to drop oil prices? - quit buying gasoline, diesel fuel, home heating oil, etc. If everyone did that then oil prices would drop, but we all know that ain't going to happen. Alternative energy sources are looking more attractive every day. We may have to adapt our personal ways. And that is just one thing, not to mention the unions, big companies and the rest of it - NO SIMPLE ANSWERS. If there were easy answers, it would have been taken care of. Most people want to belly ache about how bad it is and try to blame some one for their plot, when for the most part it is their own fault, me included. The boom times since WW II are over. Gone are the days of unions demanding higher wages and companies just passing it on to the consumer - they can't. The consumer will buy it made in Canada or Mexico or China or Korea or where ever they buy it cheaper. No more cheap energy, high wages, big profits, get used to it.

At least petemi has made a stand. If enough people feel as he does, then the Handi will go the way of the Do-Do bird, if not then Handis will go happily along. The people will speak with their pocket books. That is what it is all about, choices. Some have been good and some have been bad. When we make a bad one individually or collectively, then we have to pay the consequences.

[Jack Ryan]

I spent enough years in the teamsters union to know how they run big companys out of buisness with their rediculous demands for higher pay and more benis ever year.If you dont think unions are bad for buisness in the US you are either in one and in denial or completly ignorant to their tactics.You know how long it has been since the big US auto makers moved their truck plants to mexico and canada,know why?UNIONS!I still see them everywhere I look,brand new ones every year,doesnt seem to bother anyone around here.

LOOK OUT! THERE'S ONE ON YOUR BACK NOW!

There's less organised labor right now than any time in your life time and the less labor unions there are the faster companies are moving out of the country. Both union and non union.

[trotterlg]

I am near 61 now, I learned a long time ago that this is true, no matter what the company wants you to believe or how they spin it:  Good for (insert the name of your company here) bad for (insert your name here) good for (insert your name here) bad for (insert the name of your company here)  So for me is has been:  Good for Boeing bad for Larry, good for Larry Bad for Boeing.  Believe it or not, if Slavery were still legal, Corporate America would own you.  Larry

[ro]

trotterlg, i agree with you on what you said about jobs in this country, the good jobs we had are gone, the young guys will never know the type of jobs and work we got years ago, i worked construction for the past 30 years, now the pay rate has doped due to all the illegals we have here in this state, i take it you work or worked for boeing, as for Remington buying NEF, something i have not seen anyone on here say is when all the moving and change over is done it may take untill the first of the year or later but when Remington puts their name on a handi-rifle the price will go up and CS will go down, i just hope they don't start making them in Mexico or China or price them up to the T/C encore prices.

[Victor3]

 LOL...

 People always seem shocked for some reason when companies (in business to make the highest possible profit) make changes that they believe will produce the highest possible profit 

 Not to worry - High oil prices combined with new taxes on shipping containers have caused an average three-fold increase in shipping costs from Asia to the US within the past two years. If oil hits $200/bbl, the cost of shipping from Asian ports will about double what it is today, totally offsetting China's cheap labor advantage over US produced goods for freight-sensitive cargo.

 Unfortunately, US inflation will also go through the roof...

[canoe13]

Hey Guys, I believe that the guns will be better when they have to be made to Remington's quality standards. Some peolpe in Masss. might be losing their jobs but other people willl be glad in the small town of Ilion NY to be working again at Remington. Finally, my state tax dollars are doing some good for NYS resident worthy of the help.

[One Eye]

As long as it is made in USA, I will buy it (guns).   I really want a Winchester 1886 replica, but the only late model ones I can find are made overseas.  So, my gun cabinet lacks that gun.
Dan

[petemi]

nomosendero, you obviously don't live in the mid-west, where plant closings are killing small towns.  I't's not a point as to whether or not they're staying in the U.S., they're killing an American small town......and it continues and continues.

[petemi]

Sitting Duck, thank you, you made my whole point very eloquently.  Pete

[Country Boy]

Which is worth more a Beligum Browning or a Japanese Browning neither of which is made in the usa.

[Old Grizz]

I am near 61 now, I learned a long time ago that this is true, no matter what the company wants you to believe or how they spin it:  Good for (insert the name of your company here) bad for (insert your name here) good for (insert your name here) bad for (insert the name of your company here)  So for me is has been:  Good for Boeing bad for Larry, good for Larry Bad for Boeing.  Believe it or not, if Slavery were still legal, Corporate America would own you.  Larry

If you work for a corporation, they do own you !!!!

[nomosendero]

nomosendero, you obviously don't live in the mid-west, where plant closings are killing small towns.  I't's not a point as to whether or not they're staying in the U.S., they're killing an American small town......and it continues and continues.

No, I don't live there, but I sure know about it.
I live in the South, where alot of companies have moved in because it was too expensive to operate in the North & Midwest, many times to leave Unions. And of course I see plants come & go, a lot more than you I would bet because I sell industrial equipment/forklifts & keep up with such things & it is sad for the communitities, yes it is. But if I had a small business & I needed to move to another area to survive then I would not be evil for doing so. Likewise, if Rem. needed to consolidate to survive in the World market I don't see it as evil just because they are big. When you say EXPORT jobs that sounds like, well EXPort as in overseas, the opposite of import. That hasn't happened yet & I won't get worked up about a hypothetical. Quit buying Rem if you choose, but if I felt that way about everything I would not be able to buy much because there is going to be & has already been alot of shuffling around by Many corporations just to stay afloat.   

[Davemuzz]

If you work for a corporation, they do own you !!!!

That statement is a crock. You have the choice to move on to another employer. But perhaps you put yourself in a position that you can't do that. And that's the "big corporations" fault? Give me a break.

I buy Smith & Wesson, Thompson Center, Savage\Stevens, Marlin. I would buy a Ruger....but I don't like the way the revolver "fits" my hand.

I will not buy a Browning, Howa, FN, or Berga Barrels.

I live in SW PA and watched Voltswagon of AM. shutdown their golf plant and send their money back to Germany. Recently, Sony took over the plant...and then just a few months ago they laid off 200+ employees TV assembly workers and shipped those jobs to Mexico. And 2 years ago in Latrobe PA, Anheiser Bush bought out Rolling Rock beer....shut down the plant and 200 long term beer brewers were out on the street. I will never buy a Rolling Rock again.

I will always support the American company. I've been to Detroit too many times and see the depression caused by "ain't my Honda great".

MHO

Dave