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Offline S.B.

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The use of soot in an aluminum mold?
« on: June 16, 2008, 02:56:08 AM »
Hope this fits the criteria of this forum, if not, please feel free to move it to the proper place? I recently bought my first aluminum mold and it's a six gang mold. The maker says, in their advertising to smoke the mold using a match? What's the purpose of this?
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Re: The use of soot in an aluminum mold?
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2008, 07:10:43 AM »
The reason for smoking it (blacking it) is for easyer bullet release. Any of the Lee moulds I have gotten work much better (releasing the bullets). I tryed one without smoking it and had a heck of a time getting the bullets out. Be sure and wash the mould before blacking it. They have a light coat of oil or something on them. I usually use carb. cleaner.

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Re: The use of soot in an aluminum mold?
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2008, 07:53:12 AM »
GR, who told you that, or are you just speaking from experience?
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Re: The use of soot in an aluminum mold?
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2008, 04:06:39 PM »
http://forums.handloads.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=17763&PN=1
  Lots of casters have found out that smoking their molds helps release the bullets.

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Re: The use of soot in an aluminum mold?
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2008, 05:35:10 PM »
The process of smokiing molds is in the Lyman Casting Manual. I stopped smoking molds when I got my first NEI/SSK mold. The mold came with a bottle of stuff called Mold Prep. Mold Prep a liquid graphite mixture in fluid form. Goes on with a Q-tip.

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Re: The use of soot in an aluminum mold?
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2008, 07:14:26 PM »
  Smoking a mold puts a thin insulating film on the cavity surfaces.  And a fragile film at that, which wears quite rapidly.  The reason Lee molds need it is because there is chatter in the cavities and the cavity edges are not deburred at all.  The thin film is enough to help bullet release.  The insulating factor, helps bullets fill out better in alumiinum or brass molds, which draw heat faster than steel or iron.  I stated that the film wears rapidly, but the downside is it doesn't come out evenly, so after several applications the sharp corners in the cavities get a buildup that changes the bullet some.

  I prefer smoing with a butane lighter rather than matches, as the smoke seems a bit cleaner, and it doesn't quit before I'm done smoking the whole mold.  Always heat the mold to at least boiling temperature before smoking so the steam in the smoke can't condense on the metal between and with the soot, which will cause the soot to come off quicker.  The flame will not deposit soot unless it is in contact with the metal, so hold the lighter or match close to the mold.

  I don't recommend smoking LBT molds, because the cavities I cut are very high precision, have absolutely no chatter to lock bullets in, and I debure the cavity edges very carefully, enough so that a fine line is visable around the bullets if the alloy is runny enough.  Carefull deburing is mandatory for a mold to have good venting, and good venting is mandatory if the sprue plate fits flat and tight and the sprue are small.  The only venting on lee molds is from under the unfinished sprue plate and through the huge sprue hole.

 
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Re: The use of soot in an aluminum mold?
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2008, 01:04:16 AM »
can find burs at the edges of the cavities a stroke or two with a needle file can clean it up. I use a spray on mold release sold by Midwaythat also helps. I'm talking multicavity pistol molds here where speed is paramont, probably wouldn't do such things if I was after precision.

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Re: The use of soot in an aluminum mold?
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2008, 01:13:47 AM »
I wont smoke a mold for the reason veral stated. Anything in the cavitys is taking up space that lead should be filling. Lee molds can be troublesome. About half of them need some work to be right. Ive never had a need to smoke a lbt mold as they drop better then about any mold.
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Re: The use of soot in an aluminum mold?
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2008, 04:32:47 AM »
I agree with Lloyd, except I will have to change it some to "as they drop better than "ANY" mold. I've casted with Lee, RCBS, and Lyman, all had difficulty with dropping bullets, sometimes even with smoking or using a mold prep. After aquiring my 1st LBT mold, I was amazed at how they just drop from there cavities, ALL of the time.  I now have "a few" more and each one has done exactly as the first, cast and drop perfect bullets with eze. You certianly do get what you pay for. CRASH87 

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Re: The use of soot in an aluminum mold?
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2008, 04:38:08 PM »
I just recently broke in a LBT 358 lfn for my 357 max and after my first cast, I decided to start getting rid of some of my Lee's and RCBS's.  My first test cast dropped perfectly. As above I've smoked and used various preps with varying results on my other molds.  I did have some success with the butane smoking and keeping the mold hot with the Lee's.

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Re: The use of soot in an aluminum mold?
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2008, 08:26:19 PM »
  I break my butt and bend over backwards to produce molds that bring in these kind of comments, and I deeply appreciate every one of them.

  But I'll go a bit farther on this subject.  If anyone gets a mold from me that they can't say such things about I want them to return it so I can fix it.  I have probably forgotten to debur a dozen molds in the 27 years of business, and they won't drop their bullets easy.  So if I was dreaming of other things instead of doing you mold right, please don't fix it yourself.  It's my job.
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