Author Topic: 1000yd shooting (Read 5409 times)

slickest · « **on:** June 16, 2008, 02:59:55 PM »

Hello everyone. im in the process of purchasing a rem700 .308 sps varmint lh. I would really like to get good at shooting targets 600-1000yds. I dont reload yet but im guessing im going to need too. I have talked to a few people and this is what they have suggested.

As far as a scope, mounts, and bases im going with valdada/IOR 20moa base, 2.5x10x42 tactical 30mm scope and 30mm heavy duty rings.

I want to buy a rangefinder but im not sure what brand to buy. i want a good one and something that will last. any suggestions?

Also do you guys think i need a balistics program like perrysystems?

Is it really worth reloading ammo? Someone told by the time you reload good quality ammo its just as expensive as buying factory ammo.

teddy12b · « **Reply #1 on:** June 16, 2008, 05:27:17 PM »

As far as the gun and optics go, just get the best you can. There are more and more scopes out there that have over 100MOA of vertical adjustment in them and one of those would save you from having to buy a special mount.

I use the sierra ballistics program and that gets me pretty close. What works for me is to shoot and take good notes, and write down exactly what adjustments I needed.

Reloading isn't cheap to get into, but when you do get started you can save half of what it would cost to buy the cheap stuff and you can save about 2/3 of what it would cost to buy the expensive stuff. Reloading is definately something that takes time, but you'l enjoy it too.

GRIMJIM · « **Reply #2 on:** June 17, 2008, 04:38:42 AM »

More than just saving money, reloading is about tailoring a load to your specific rifle.

Tom W. · « **Reply #3 on:** June 17, 2008, 05:50:50 AM »

My son regularly shoots out to 1000 yards. He has Badger ordinance rings and bases and an ungodly expensive Leupold scopes with 30 mm tubes, target knobs, side focus and mil dots. He handloads all of his ammunition, starting with virgin Winchester brass, and is very good at what he does.....He can shoot way better than I can. For now.

Jose Grande · « **Reply #4 on:** June 21, 2008, 10:21:55 AM »

A .308 Win. is not the best thing at 1000. The 172 gr. match ammo slows to subsonic around 880 yds. or so. There is potential for slight bullet upset when it slows below the speed of sound. Even the 30-06 is not the best any more. Now it seems the 6.5 mm in a couple different loads works best. David Tubbs is one of the very best long range shooters & he also likes the 6mm stuff. Better B.C. & very consistant,which is what wins at 1000. F-Class shooters specialize in 600-1000 & can help you out in your quest.

teddy12b · « **Reply #5 on:** June 21, 2008, 02:09:06 PM »

It all depends on what you want to do when you hit the target at 1000. For me, I just want to practice with my hunting rifle and if I can tell I hit the target that's all I need. Savage has their new F class rifles chambered in 308, 6.5 x 284 NORMA, and 6 Norma BR but those all have 30" barrels. I don't know anything about the 6mm guns other than they are quite popular now. If you can handle the recoil or have one build the 338 Lapua is another big name caliber in target shooting. Those big heavy bullets don't get pushed around as much in the wind from what I've heard.

billy_56081 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 21, 2008, 04:15:31 PM »

http://www.6mmbr.com/schatz1000.html

No reason to have a caliber that pounds the snot out of you.

teddy12b · « **Reply #7 on:** June 21, 2008, 05:47:01 PM »

Exactly why I'll probably never have anything bigger than my 30-06. I had a short lived love afair with a 300RUM and that was the end of the huge guns for me.

wyohandi · « **Reply #8 on:** June 26, 2008, 03:42:02 PM »

I don't shoot in competition but I do like longrange shooting.
I broke down and bought a Leica rangefinder it will range rocks, trees out to 1200yds
if you can hold it steady. It will range deer and antelope to 800yds with no problem
It ranges to 1200yds almost instantly on houses and reflective stuff.
I just put Burris signature rings on my 300SAUM with the .020"offset rings and I have enough
adjustment to shoot to over 1200yds, haven't found a GOOD place to shoot that far but I can
scare the heck out of rocks at that range

mas19 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 06, 2008, 02:44:17 PM »

308 isnt the best choice for 1000yds.

I shoot F-Class and i shoot a .260 rem custom built on a 40x action.

As far has handloading......nearly a must.

Optics are gonna be expensive simple as that. Good rule of thumb all fclass shooters use....You need to have enough elevation adjustment to hit 30" high at 100yds....That will be close to 1000yds.

Trajectory Output
Input Data
Manufacturer:    Sierra    Description:    .264 dia. (6.5mm) 142 gr. HPBT MatchKing™
Muzzle Velocity:    3320.0 ft/s    Chronograph Distance:    10.0 ft
Sight Height:    2.12 in    Sight Offset:    0.00 in
Zero Height:    0.00 in    Zero Offset:    0.00 in
Azimuth:    0.00 MOA    Elevation:    0.00 MOA
LOS Angle:    0.0 deg    Cant Angle:    0.0 deg
Wind Speed:    7.0 mph    Wind Angle:    90.0 deg
Target Speed:    0.0 mph    Target Angle:    0.0 deg
Temperature:    84.0 °F    Pressure:    29.92 in Hg
Relative Humidity:    84.0 %    Altitude:    510 ft
Vital Zone Radius:    5.0 in    Std. Atmosphere at Altitude:    No
Corrected Pressure:    Yes    Target Relative Drops:    Yes
Zero at Max. Point Blank Range:    No
Calculated Parameters
Elevation:   22.31 MOA    Azimuth:   0.00 MOA
Atmospheric Density:   0.07071 lbs/ft³    Speed of Sound:   1143.1 ft/s
Maximum PBR:   418 yds    Maximum PBR Zero:   355 yds
Range at Max Height:   199 yds    Energy at PBR:   2253.9 ft•lbs
Sectional Density:   0.291 lbs/in²
Calculated Table
Range    Drop    Drop    Windage    Windage    Velocity    Mach    Energy    Time    Lead    Lead
(yds)    (in)    (moa)    (in)    (moa)    (ft/s)    (none)    (ft•lbs)    (s)    (in)    (moa)
0    -2.1    ***    0.0    ***    3325.6    2.909    3486.5    0.000    0.0    ***
10    0.2    1.9    0.0    0.0    3308.9    2.895    3451.6    0.009    0.0    0.0
20    2.5    11.9    0.0    0.1    3292.3    2.880    3417.1    0.018    0.0    0.0
30    4.7    15.1    0.0    0.1    3275.8    2.866    3382.8    0.027    0.0    0.0
40    7.0    16.6    0.0    0.1    3259.3    2.851    3348.9    0.036    0.0    0.0
50    9.2    17.5    0.1    0.1    3242.9    2.837    3315.2    0.046    0.0    0.0
60    11.3    18.0    0.1    0.2    3226.5    2.823    3281.9    0.055    0.0    0.0
70    13.4    18.3    0.1    0.2    3210.2    2.808    3248.8    0.064    0.0    0.0
80    15.5    18.6    0.2    0.2    3194.0    2.794    3216.1    0.074    0.0    0.0
90    17.6    18.7    0.2    0.2    3177.8    2.780    3183.6    0.083    0.0    0.0
100    19.6    18.7    0.3    0.3    3161.7    2.766    3151.4    0.093    0.0    0.0
110    21.6    18.8    0.3    0.3    3145.7    2.752    3119.5    0.102    0.0    0.0
120    23.6    18.8    0.4    0.3    3129.7    2.738    3087.9    0.112    0.0    0.0
130    25.5    18.7    0.5    0.4    3113.8    2.724    3056.5    0.121    0.0    0.0
140    27.4    18.7    0.6    0.4    3097.9    2.710    3025.4    0.131    0.0    0.0
150    29.2    18.6    0.6    0.4    3082.1    2.696    2994.6    0.141    0.0    0.0
160    31.0    18.5    0.7    0.4    3066.3    2.682    2964.1    0.150    0.0    0.0
170    32.8    18.4    0.8    0.5    3050.6    2.669    2933.8    0.160    0.0    0.0
180    34.5    18.3    0.9    0.5    3035.0    2.655    2903.8    0.170    0.0    0.0
190    36.2    18.2    1.0    0.5    3019.4    2.641    2874.1    0.180    0.0    0.0
200    37.9    18.1    1.2    0.6    3003.9    2.628    2844.6    0.190    0.0    0.0
210    39.5    18.0    1.3    0.6    2988.4    2.614    2815.3    0.200    0.0    0.0
220    41.1    17.8    1.4    0.6    2973.0    2.601    2786.4    0.210    0.0    0.0
230    42.6    17.7    1.6    0.6    2957.6    2.587    2757.6    0.220    0.0    0.0
240    44.1    17.6    1.7    0.7    2942.3    2.574    2729.1    0.230    0.0    0.0
250    45.6    17.4    1.8    0.7    2927.0    2.561    2700.9    0.240    0.0    0.0
260    47.0    17.3    2.0    0.7    2911.8    2.547    2672.9    0.251    0.0    0.0
270    48.4    17.1    2.2    0.8    2896.7    2.534    2645.1    0.261    0.0    0.0
280    49.7    17.0    2.3    0.8    2881.6    2.521    2617.6    0.271    0.0    0.0
290    51.0    16.8    2.5    0.8    2866.5    2.508    2590.4    0.282    0.0    0.0
300    52.3    16.6    2.7    0.9    2851.5    2.495    2563.3    0.292    0.0    0.0
310    53.5    16.5    2.9    0.9    2836.2    2.481    2535.9    0.303    0.0    0.0
320    54.7    16.3    3.1    0.9    2820.9    2.468    2508.6    0.314    0.0    0.0
330    55.8    16.1    3.3    0.9    2805.7    2.454    2481.6    0.324    0.0    0.0
340    56.9    16.0    3.5    1.0    2790.5    2.441    2454.8    0.335    0.0    0.0
350    57.9    15.8    3.7    1.0    2775.4    2.428    2428.3    0.346    0.0    0.0
360    58.9    15.6    3.9    1.0    2760.3    2.415    2401.9    0.357    0.0    0.0
370    59.9    15.4    4.1    1.1    2745.3    2.402    2375.9    0.367    0.0    0.0
380    60.8    15.3    4.4    1.1    2730.3    2.388    2350.0    0.378    0.0    0.0
390    61.6    15.1    4.6    1.1    2715.3    2.375    2324.4    0.389    0.0    0.0
400    62.4    14.9    4.9    1.2    2700.5    2.362    2299.0    0.400    0.0    0.0
410    63.2    14.7    5.1    1.2    2685.6    2.349    2273.8    0.412    0.0    0.0
420    63.9    14.5    5.4    1.2    2670.8    2.336    2248.8    0.423    0.0    0.0
430    64.6    14.3    5.7    1.3    2656.1    2.324    2224.1    0.434    0.0    0.0
440    65.2    14.1    6.0    1.3    2641.4    2.311    2199.5    0.445    0.0    0.0
450    65.7    13.9    6.3    1.3    2626.8    2.298    2175.2    0.457    0.0    0.0
460    66.2    13.8    6.6    1.4    2612.2    2.285    2151.1    0.468    0.0    0.0
470    66.7    13.6    6.9    1.4    2597.6    2.272    2127.2    0.480    0.0    0.0
480    67.1    13.4    7.2    1.4    2583.1    2.260    2103.5    0.491    0.0    0.0
490    67.5    13.1    7.5    1.5    2568.7    2.247    2080.0    0.503    0.0    0.0
500    67.8    12.9    7.8    1.5    2554.3    2.235    2056.8    0.515    0.0    0.0
510    68.0    12.7    8.2    1.5    2539.9    2.222    2033.7    0.527    0.0    0.0
520    68.2    12.5    8.5    1.6    2525.6    2.209    2010.8    0.538    0.0    0.0
530    68.4    12.3    8.9    1.6    2511.3    2.197    1988.2    0.550    0.0    0.0
540    68.5    12.1    9.3    1.6    2497.1    2.184    1965.7    0.562    0.0    0.0
550    68.5    11.9    9.6    1.7    2482.9    2.172    1943.5    0.574    0.0    0.0
560    68.5    11.7    10.0    1.7    2468.8    2.160    1921.4    0.586    0.0    0.0
570    68.4    11.5    10.4    1.7    2454.7    2.147    1899.5    0.599    0.0    0.0
580    68.3    11.2    10.8    1.8    2440.6    2.135    1877.8    0.611    0.0    0.0
590    68.1    11.0    11.2    1.8    2426.6    2.123    1856.4    0.623    0.0    0.0
600    67.8    10.8    11.6    1.8    2412.7    2.111    1835.1    0.636    0.0    0.0
610    67.5    10.6    12.0    1.9    2398.7    2.098    1813.9    0.648    0.0    0.0
620    67.1    10.3    12.5    1.9    2384.8    2.086    1792.9    0.661    0.0    0.0
630    66.7    10.1    12.9    2.0    2370.8    2.074    1771.9    0.673    0.0    0.0
640    66.2    9.9    13.4    2.0    2356.9    2.062    1751.2    0.686    0.0    0.0
650    65.6    9.6    13.8    2.0    2343.1    2.050    1730.7    0.699    0.0    0.0
660    65.0    9.4    14.3    2.1    2329.3    2.038    1710.4    0.712    0.0    0.0
670    64.3    9.2    14.8    2.1    2315.5    2.026    1690.2    0.724    0.0    0.0
680    63.6    8.9    15.3    2.1    2301.8    2.014    1670.2    0.737    0.0    0.0
690    62.7    8.7    15.8    2.2    2288.1    2.002    1650.5    0.750    0.0    0.0
700    61.8    8.4    16.3    2.2    2274.5    1.990    1630.8    0.764    0.0    0.0
710    60.9    8.2    16.8    2.3    2260.9    1.978    1611.4    0.777    0.0    0.0
720    59.9    7.9    17.3    2.3    2247.3    1.966    1592.2    0.790    0.0    0.0
730    58.8    7.7    17.9    2.3    2233.8    1.954    1573.1    0.804    0.0    0.0
740    57.6    7.4    18.4    2.4    2220.4    1.942    1554.2    0.817    0.0    0.0
750    56.4    7.2    19.0    2.4    2207.0    1.931    1535.5    0.831    0.0    0.0
760    55.1    6.9    19.5    2.5    2193.6    1.919    1516.9    0.844    0.0    0.0
770    53.7    6.7    20.1    2.5    2180.3    1.907    1498.6    0.858    0.0    0.0
780    52.3    6.4    20.7    2.5    2167.0    1.896    1480.4    0.872    0.0    0.0
790    50.8    6.1    21.3    2.6    2153.8    1.884    1462.4    0.886    0.0    0.0
800    49.2    5.9    21.9    2.6    2140.6    1.873    1444.5    0.900    0.0    0.0
810    47.5    5.6    22.5    2.7    2127.5    1.861    1426.9    0.914    0.0    0.0
820    45.7    5.3    23.2    2.7    2114.4    1.850    1409.4    0.928    0.0    0.0
830    43.9    5.1    23.8    2.7    2101.3    1.838    1392.0    0.942    0.0    0.0
840    42.0    4.8    24.5    2.8    2088.4    1.827    1374.9    0.956    0.0    0.0
850    40.0    4.5    25.1    2.8    2075.4    1.816    1357.9    0.971    0.0    0.0
860    38.0    4.2    25.8    2.9    2062.5    1.804    1341.1    0.985    0.0    0.0
870    35.8    3.9    26.5    2.9    2049.7    1.793    1324.4    1.000    0.0    0.0
880    33.6    3.6    27.2    3.0    2036.3    1.781    1307.2    1.015    0.0    0.0
890    31.3    3.4    27.9    3.0    2023.0    1.770    1290.1    1.029    0.0    0.0
900    28.9    3.1    28.6    3.0    2009.7    1.758    1273.2    1.044    0.0    0.0
910    26.4    2.8    29.4    3.1    1996.5    1.747    1256.5    1.059    0.0    0.0
920    23.8    2.5    30.1    3.1    1983.3    1.735    1240.0    1.074    0.0    0.0
930    21.2    2.2    30.9    3.2    1970.2    1.724    1223.7    1.089    0.0    0.0
940    18.4    1.9    31.6    3.2    1957.1    1.712    1207.5    1.105    0.0    0.0
950    15.6    1.6    32.4    3.3    1944.1    1.701    1191.5    1.120    0.0    0.0
960    12.7    1.3    33.2    3.3    1931.2    1.689    1175.7    1.136    0.0    0.0
970    9.6    0.9    34.0    3.3    1918.3    1.678    1160.1    1.151    0.0    0.0
980    6.5    0.6    34.8    3.4    1905.5    1.667    1144.6    1.167    0.0    0.0
990    3.3    0.3    35.7    3.4    1892.7    1.656    1129.3    1.183    0.0    0.0
1000    -0.0    -0.0    36.5    3.5    1880.0    1.645    1114.2    1.199    0.0    0.0

I use my calulator to get a good zero so i can be on the paper come this weekend.
I can only shoot 800yds at my house. So i set up 49.2" high at 800yds, and if all goes well, i will hit the paper with my sighter

billy_56081 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 07, 2008, 02:10:07 AM »

WOW! 3300 to 3400 FPS with a 142 grain bullet out a 260 rem? You must have one heck of a long barrel. No dought the 260 is a fine caliber but I have never seen loads or the 264 win mag generate these kind of velocities.

GTKF · « **Reply #11 on:** August 19, 2008, 02:58:34 AM »

Lyman Reloading book states about 2800 fps max with a 142 gr HPBT & 24" barrel. IIRC you can expect 50fps per inch, so you might get 3100fps from a 30" barrel

mas19 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 19, 2008, 08:22:17 AM »

It has a 31" Shilen Barrel. Shoots amazingly flat with vlo's like that.

PartsMan · « **Reply #13 on:** August 19, 2008, 09:11:05 AM »

I would buy some match grade ammo from federal or remington and use there free download software.
You might be surprized how often you hit.
You can work up to all that other stuff later in your search for perfection.

BTW Reloading good quality ammo is cheaper.
It's reloading cheaper than cheap ammo that is tough.

sonofafish · « **Reply #14 on:** September 11, 2008, 03:58:43 PM »

Slickest, I have shot several matches at 600yds. with a Rem.700 VSSF 308 In won. I had to come up with a load that worked so I feel reloading is a must. Black hills shots the best for stock ammo. Scopes, I like Leupold 1/8moa and a fine duplex the dot will blow you out moa at that distance. Get a real good spotting scope learn to read mirage and trigger control.I have played around with it at 1000yds. it did ok 3ft. groups I like 300mag or 300rum at 1000yds. I can hold 1ft.group. If in when time gets better I just might build a 6.5 . If you ever get the chance to go Perry do so or read anything from Tubbs do so. Have fun and shot shot shot.

Mike Britton · « **Reply #15 on:** September 11, 2008, 05:28:14 PM »

Quote from: slickest on June 16, 2008, 02:59:55 PM

Hello everyone. im in the process of purchasing a rem700 .308 sps varmint lh. I would really like to get good at shooting targets 600-1000yds. I dont reload yet but im guessing im going to need too. I have talked to a few people and this is what they have suggested.

As far as a scope, mounts, and bases im going with valdada/IOR 20moa base, 2.5x10x42 tactical 30mm scope and 30mm heavy duty rings.

I want to buy a rangefinder but im not sure what brand to buy. i want a good one and something that will last. any suggestions?

Also do you guys think i need a balistics program like perrysystems?

Is it really worth reloading ammo? Someone told by the time you reload good quality ammo its just as expensive as buying factory ammo.

The advantage in reloading is not about cost, it is about getting loads that get the best out of your barrel.
I shot the 190 gr. sierra match king in Palma matches in my .308, and was very happy with it.
There wasn't a factory load available that offered the accuracy that handloads offered.

teddy12b · « **Reply #16 on:** September 12, 2008, 01:57:10 AM »

At least when I started reloading, it was all about saving money. Now, 6 years later, it's still nice to save money, but it's more about making my own ammo that outshoots the factory ammo.

Right now I can reload match grade ammo for what it costs to buy cheapo factory stuff. I make ammo that's the right fit for my rifle and it's very rewarding.

tykempster · « **Reply #17 on:** May 31, 2009, 06:03:47 AM »

260 Remington can't come close to achieving that.

84Jim · « **Reply #18 on:** June 03, 2009, 09:12:03 AM »

Hey Mike,

I thought that Palma matches had ammo restrictions? 155 gr. bullets if I recall.

Curt Dawson · « **Reply #19 on:** June 06, 2009, 03:51:15 AM »

Jim is correct Sierra 308 155 gr. was mandated until recently. Barrels of 30"-34" are common for Palma shooting

Win 1917 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 30, 2009, 02:57:03 AM »

Quote

http://www.6mmbr.com/schatz1000.html

No reason to have a caliber that pounds the snot out of you.

Great article. Nice to see a guy just keepin it simple.

xphunter · « **Reply #21 on:** September 04, 2009, 01:37:28 PM »

Exbal is great software and I would highly recommend it

Txppc65 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 07, 2009, 11:08:14 PM »

If your goal is building a 1000 yard target rifle, then you should look at what is most common in f-class shooting.

Scopes tend to be the Nightforce NXS first, followed by the Nightforce BR models second. Most use the 8-32x or 12-42x models. There are all sorts of bases,,, Badger Ordnance makes good quality picatinny bases that drop right on Remington 700's. Badger also makes a 22 moa stub rail that can drop on a zero moa picatinny rail. Badger rings are also very good pieces.

The 308 Winchester can do fine at 1000 yards and keeps you in ftr class rather than open class if you decide to shoot f-class matches. In FTR class, rifles are restricted to 223 Remington or 308 Winchester and 18.18 lbs including the weight of the bipod.

Since you are not reloading, you are going to be using 175 grain loaded ammo for 1000 yard work (thats what it was created for). Black Hills or Federal match ammo is what people use restricted to factory loaded ammo.

If you decide to reload, the Lapua 155 scenar bullet has a .504 BC which is better than the Sierra 175 Matchking. A 308 with the 155 Scenar can do very well at 1000 yards.

A 260 Remington with 142 Sierras at 3320 fps....hmmmm,,, 6.5-284 shooters dont run that hot with the 142. You will not gain 300 fps by adding 6 inches of barrel from 24 to 30 inches. You may loose 300 fps going from 24 inches to 18 inches, but in a 308 sized case, the powder is heavily consumed in 24 inches.