liberalism threatens your wives and daughters...

[ironglow]

 Some perverted states and/or governors are bent on signing laws that allow perverted men to use womes & girls restrooms & showers...if they "percieve" themselves
  to be more woman than man...
   
    www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=67290

     Read whole article to grasp the import..

   What think you; are you a bit weary of liberalism also ?

[beemanbeme]

Come on, IG. Typical mean-minded, hateful view of a group that has some really deep seated problems.  I, of course, didn't read your link, but I'm sure it's just some more of your hate them thar queers kinda crap. And I can't see how liberalism has anything to do with it. Compassion? Yes. But you wouldn't understand that.
I don't think that letting trans-gender folks use the ladies room as they are constructed now is the answer but maybe the answer is to have unisex bathrooms for everbody with all privacy stalls. No urinals along the wall as it's done now.  I don't know how things are done in Europe but in Asia, only in places that are heavily patronized by prissy Americans do you find separate toilets. 
Properly screened, I don't think it would violate my wife's senses to know that a man was using the toilet next to her. 
How often have you attended events with banks of Porta-Johnnys where the folks qued up and used the next available one regardless of gender? 

As I think more about it, maybe the litmus test should be how a person is dressed??  Although I have had a couple of occasions to go into a lady's room at an airport. Once with a female cop, and once with a repairman.  Both times, the women that were in the bathrooms just ignored us and went about their business. 

[ms]

I guess you can call me a hater.

[billy_56081]

Darn! I guess I'm a hater too! LOL Wait beman does your hating of hate make you a hater also? HMMM I think you need to ponder this for a bit.

[oldandslow]

Bee, I don't know how things are done in Europe and Asis and could care less. This is the USA. Men don't belong in women's restrooms and vise versa, whether the patrons are straight or queer.

[Shooter973]

Seems like a good way for some clown to get his can kicked.  Don't think this would go over very well with my wife or Daughter. I'd be forced to clear the situation up, and that wouldn't be pretty, or PC!   

[lrs]

I'm not a violent person.  In my adult life I've never even been in a scuffle.  But if some male person was in a public restroom, while my wife or daughter or mother or even great aunt was in there, I'd make Jack Bauer look like a cub scout.
If that makes me a hate monger, I don't care. 

[Tennessee.Traveler]

When my children were growing up, I always escorted them into public restrooms.  When my wife was not present, I always took the boys to the Men's room and took my daughter to the ladies room.  I never got a second glance in the men's rooms and only suprise and understanding in the ladies rooms.  As Papaw, I will do the same for the grandkids.  The only difference will be my reaction to seeing a woman that I perceive to be a man in the ladies room.   

Heightened awareness is the only thing that protects children from predators.  As a parent, you are that child's first line of defense.  No government, liberal or conservative could be as effective as the parent (s) in these situations.

[powderman]

Bee, I don't know how things are done in Europe and Asis and could care less. This is the USA. Men don't belong in women's restrooms and vise versa, whether the patrons are straight or queer.

Well said and true. The pc crowd is nuts. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

  I suppose I could have said PC crowd, instead of liberalism...but isn't that the same thing ?

[Beers]

Funny IG, I figured you'd be happier if the dude wearin' a dress HAD to use the womens room, instead of taking a leak at the urinal next to you, trying to ogle your junk...

You guys talking about starting fights over it are great... When you get the snot kicked out of you by some tranny at the mall, I only hope the surveillance video winds up on youtube...

The whole reason that we even have separate restrooms in public is because people are afraid that if we didn't, perverts might try and sneak a peek at something they shouldn't. Since the majority of men and women aren't interested in peeking at people of the same gender, separate bathrooms are an obvious solution. But in these cases it makes sense to make an exception. Believe me, that guy wearing a dress is not interested in sneaking a peek at any women. He's no threat to your wife, your daughter or any other woman. Nor is that woman with the crew cut dressed like a trucker interested in anything you've got.

If you're interested in encouraging perverts, by all means, force transvestites to use the mens room, make all the bull dykes use the ladies room.  Great thinking....

[ironglow]

  Beers;

   I suppose you wouldn't mind if your daughters/grandaughters,( whatever the case may be)..were escorted into the men's room by mistake !

[Beers]

What does that even mean? Don't they put signs on the door?

My daughter doesn't yet need an escort, she's still in diapers. When the time comes however, If she's with me I'll take her with me right into the mens room and let her use the potty. My wife and I will be the only people to "escort" our daughter into any bathroom, and I'm pretty sure we can tell which one is which.

If there's some point to your last post I fail to see it.

[BBF]

 I don't have a problem with men taking their young female offspring into a Men's restroom.  I presume all of you guys stow away and zip up before you turn around from the urinal.

[beemanbeme]

When my boys were young --pre school-- their mother escorted them into the Ladies room.  I have seen many a little girl being escorted into a stall in the Men's room by their father. 

Good post, Beers.  Funny how these macho types assume that the folks touched by a bit of the lavender are limp-wrist, 98# weaklings.  Even kewler than your suggestion would be a nationwide news clip of some macho type being pounded sensless by a Godless, sub-human dyke with a butch haircut and 40" boobs.

Point to be made, IG, those trans gender people have deep seated, serious problems.  Problems that have lead to suicide and self mutilation.  So instead of spouting your usual batch of "Christian" hatred and condemnation; liturgies of Bible verses that prove your KNOWLEDGE of the Bible verses but change nothing, why don't you try, for a change, a little Christian COMPASSION and come up with a solution?  You never can tell, it might do you good.

[magooch]

Some of us have been around long enough to realize how far our culture has gone into the ditch and straight enough to resent what the deviates are determined to do to what's left of it.  One notch at a time and pretty soon there'll be no semblance of decency at all.  I liked it better before I was literally exposed to the kind of perversity that San Francisco, or some of the freaks that live there, think is normal.  If that is what some of you "tollerant" folks are hoping for, don't expect folks like me to jump on your trolley car.

[ironglow]

 In spite of your misunderstang Beeman, the Christian view is one of compassion. Hate sin, even our own..but love the sinner. In the effort to help those caught up in
  the destructive web of the homosexual lifestyle, Christian missions involved in the rescuing of people from that sin, offer them counseling and psychological help, in an
  effort to help them cast off that yoke. It seems that such is a great deal more than the homosexual "community" or the secular psych "community" are willing to do !
  There is much compassion offered by the Christian "community", but many would rather it seems, stay in their rut; trying to get their bodies changed and mutilated
   rather than working upon their minds, where the problem originates.
  I was not quite so much concerned with genuine homosexuals as with the potential for a genuine pervert to pretend he was confused with his "identity" thereby gaining
  free access while your (or my) grandchild is in it ! If this wouldn't bother you, I have to wonder...

   Your harping about my quoting Scriptures, should by rights, fall upon deaf ears. I have clearly explained in past posts that normally i only use proper Scripture in
  reply to those who attempt to use the Bible to argue points with. If they use Scripture wrongly or out of context/place, I am rather hasty in correcting any
  misinterpretations.
   I believe that outside the "Bible study" area; if you check fairly, you will find that normally I do not bring up Scripture before someone else does.
  I would suspect that if you were an experienced auto technician and somebody suggested in a post that when assembling an engine, torqueing the engine bolts
  was totally unnecessary, you may very well move to correct such mis-information...and I would not blame you a bit ! Even on trhese forums, we try to be helpful with
    one another !

[Beers]

I was not quite so much concerned with genuine homosexuals as with the potential for a genuine pervert to pretend he was confused with his "identity" thereby gaining
  free access while your (or my) grandchild is in it ! If this wouldn't bother you, I have to wonder...

That's what you're afraid of!? Seriously? Seems to me that if a guy was willing to try and pass as a woman just to get into the ladies room, he could probably do it with impunity whether or not it was legal.

From the article: "Henceforth, every woman and little girl will have to fear that a predator, bisexual, cross-dresser or even a homosexual or heterosexual male might walk in and relieve himself in their presence" - I almost fell out of my chair laughing when I read that... It's like a bad joke. What about us men and little boys? Right now it's perfectly legal for predators, gays, cross-dressers and even straight guys to relieve themselves in our presence... THE HORROR!! It's even legal for predators, lesbians and bisexuals to use the ladies room! I know that I live in constant fear that some day, a MALE might use the same bathroom as my daughter! I mean, what if he ate chili the night before? She might never recover!

You guys are aware that there are these things called "bathroom stalls" right? Last time I checked you cant see through them... From what I understand, in a women's restroom the only thing someone might do outside of a stall is wash their hands, and maybe touch up their makeup... Any women feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. So really, the worst thing a girl or woman would be exposed to is the sight of a man (THE HORROR!!!) washing his hands.

Seriously, aren't there enough real problems to worry about? Some of you guys need another hobby or something....

[ms]

You guys are aware that there are these things called "bathroom stalls" right? Last time I checked you cant see through them. If you hear someone next to you tapping on the floor 3 times or reaching for the toilet paper on the floor. Run like hell!!!!!!!!

[beemanbeme]

Dang, IG, I thought your job was to hang out in cyberspace and call them Godless, sub-human scum.  Certainly doesn't sound like compassion to me. And too, what did they do with all those priest and preachers they have found to be Godless, sub-human queers and dykes and sexual predators??  If they were doing it just to spite God and it was such an easy thing to change, seems like the menions of the churches would already be there. Maybe it's not as simple as your ilk would have us believe. As much as your group likes stage center, had there been any great moves to council deviants, I think we would have heard more about it.  The only thing I've heard is Powderman call some woman a Godless, sub-human dyke because she was leading a church. 

 As far as deaf ears go, your oblique innuendos are what falls on deaf ears. --of thinking people -- Like if I am not outraged it's because I am not a caring person or a careful parent. Like when you said I had deficiencies and I asked you to list them, you could only come up with a list of names to call me. Yup, that's the same way Hitler did it . ROFLMAO. 

Don't you hate it when you get turned out for a rabble rousing, knee jerk fraud like Beers and a couple of the others have pointed out. 

One of the reasons I don't do links is because my puter is slow and I don't like the junque that often comes with the downloads that you make.  Also most of the downloads that people tell you that you MUST READ are a cyberspace version of the nasty little tracts that you used to find set out in public toilets and such  (before ozoneman invented the internet) signed by "A True White American", or "A Godfearing Christian" and such.

I just read your last post with regards to your use of Biblical verses and the need t correct others.  You actually think of yourself as a forum, Bibical hall monitor. Is that right? 

[billy_56081]

   The reason I do not want "transgender" people using the bathrooms or actually anywhere near my kids is that they are mentally ill, no if's, no ands, no but's. They are sick and are a danger. There is no telling what thier sick minds will go to after, the transretard crap and I do not want them near my kids. There are enough sick perverted animals in this worldthat are not as transparent in there illness, while I cannot protect my kids from unseen sickos I can protect them from these sick creatures.

[powderman]

IRONGLOW, BILLY. Agreed Sirs, but you can't talk sense to them that have none.
beers, beeman. Go get another drink boys, errrr, if ya are boys. POWDERMAN. 

[ironglow]

  Beeman;
  I have tried to be kind to you but in return you make all kinds of false accusations about me and my beliefs that you could not possibly have any awareness of. You come up with terms such as "godless, sub human, & scum".. terminology that I almost never use, because it rarely applies exactly and is not effective.
  I did recently in a post, refer to a recently released terrorist that blew himself and dozens of innocents to bits; as a pile of dog manure..if I were to do such a thing, I
 would also deserve the appellation of dog manure..no term is too disgusting for one that does such a thing.
  FYI: I have no sympathy for any clergy, police, doctor, lawyer, principal or teacher that take advantage (sexual abuse) of those entrusted to them. Their penalty should
  be greater than others, for they are in a position of trust. About 20 years ago I did expose and correct a clergy member that violated this very trust !

  I have noticed that you debate a subject with ridicule and innueno, rather than facts. You try to  compare people on this forum to Hitler; an old defense mechanism
    that most people recognize as a futile gesture by someone that is bankrupt of effective arguments !  
  
  Each time a point of logic is made, it seems you have no valid, comprehensible  retort; so you feebly counter with name calling and false accusations.
  
  Your terms such as Knee jerk, rabble rousing, and fraud are simply terms of name calling that you conveniently ascribe to Beers, that you  have no concrete
   information about.  Thus you are spreading falsehoods in your astonishing ignorance !

   I have explained to you that I normally use Scriptures (outside the Bible studies), to correct misinformation regarding those very Scriptures. Yet in spite of explaining
   this several times directly to you, your powers of Cognition still remain abysmally numb ! Most others here apparently understand these explanations quite well, but
  Beeman still wanders around in the land of ..DUH !
    You accuse me of trying to somehow obscure some truths with the correct application of various Bible verses when speaking of things realting to Biblical questions .
  Truly it is a pity that you are so easily confused and turned rabid and slavering by God's words.
  Dee understands the usage very well, Powderman has no problem, Billy is not left distressed, Magooch has no fear of the Word, and 45-70 navigates this forum with ease.
    It appears that only Beeman has to hide his countenance behind his black cloak and then slowly disclose a hairy face...foaming at the mouth !

    I can understand your obvious ignorance about the Christian community today, since you are apparently filled with hate for it. However, that does leave me a bit
   piqued about how you and Beers seem to have such intimate knowledge of the "Gay" and Transvestite community !  It is a pity you two have not taken the effort to
   understand your Christian neighbors a bit better, perhaps then you would not have to "hide in your holler" so reclusively !
  
  I rather enjoy the repartee of constructive debate and have tried to keep this at a reasonably intellectual level, yet with each point of logic made from such
  as Billy, Powderman or myself..you do not reply with logical, fact based debate. Instead, you reply with your sophomoric attempts to belittle those you do not
   agree with, by false accusations of snake-handler, and attempting to assign illiteracy to us !
  When I told you about programs by Christian organizations that work to rescue people from the homosexual maze just as surely as they work to rescue little pre-
  born boys and girls from liquidation, your weak counter was simply, that if such a program existed, you "would have heard of it" ...well chalk another one up to
  "blissfully unaware" !
  
   The arguments both you have so far come up with , all sound like points that may be reinforced in the U. of Berzerkly (Berkeley).
    
         Until some real logic starts to prevail with both you and Beers; I will just have consider you as part of the "looney Left" !

[powderman]

IRONGLOW. You certainly have more patience and finesse than I when dealing with the anti Christian crowd. They and tm must be triplets. POWDERMAN. 

[DalesCarpentry]

Funny IG, I figured you'd be happier if the dude wearin' a dress HAD to use the womens room, instead of taking a leak at the urinal next to you, trying to ogle your junk...

You guys talking about starting fights over it are great... When you get the snot kicked out of you by some tranny at the mall, I only hope the surveillance video winds up on you tube...

The whole reason that we even have separate restrooms in public is because people are afraid that if we didn't, perverts might try and sneak a peek at something they shouldn't. Since the majority of men and women aren't interested in peeking at people of the same gender, separate bathrooms are an obvious solution. But in these cases it makes sense to make an exception. Believe me, that guy wearing a dress is not interested in sneaking a peek at any women. He's no threat to your wife, your daughter or any other woman. Nor is that woman with the crew cut dressed like a trucker interested in anything you've got.

If you're interested in encouraging perverts, by all means, force transvestites to use the mens room, make all the bull dykes use the ladies room.  Great thinking....

Beers I do argee with what you have  said. These people that are trans gender are mixed up to begin with. I really don't have a problem with them using the same restroom as my wife and daughter. All restrooms I have used are seperated by stalls and this guy can't really can't see anything unless he is peeking in the void of the stall with his eyeball. If that were to happen while my wife was sitting on the toliet shame on him. I have no dought my wife would come through that door and kick his sissy ass. My daughter is always with my wife so enough said there. Did I say my wife is very tough. I would bet she could kick the crap out of a 160 pound man unless he was a real fighter. My wife can for sure take care of her self. Dale

[ironglow]

       I guess some of us have greater regard for the safety and protection of innocent children than do others !
      But then..we are as of this writing a free people and we have free choices. I would rather choose children
      over predators any day !
     In my view, this is just a sign of the further decline of the moral fiber of the western democracies. It may just
     be a prelude to the west losing it's leadership and the primitive forces of the world assuming dominance simply
     by moral and character attrition !

[powderman]

The lack of morality, decency, and common sense here never ceases to amaze me. Amusing at times seeing folks make excuses for perverts instead of trying to curb their activities they seem to want to help them in their endeavor to be deviates. Heh. POWDERMAN. 

[beemanbeme]

Au Contaire, Powderman, I am not Anti-Christian.  I am a very stout Christian. I am Anti people like you that call yourself Christian.  Have you learnt to point into the sky and call "ze plane, Boss, ze plane" yet?

IG, or may I call you Willie? , Oh my, Oh my, Just couldn't keep the hate and the name calling correlled could you.  And, of course, accuse me of the very things you are guilty of. As I have said, you "chistians" were the ones that began the name calling.  But, of course, you ignore that.

What makes you think I am ignorant of the Christian community?  I find that an awesomely, arrogant statement.  Even from a Bibical hall monitor.  It presumes on the one hand that you have some sort of mainstream knowledge in the world of religion unknown to us unwashed and, on the other, that I need something beyond a single document to know Christianity. (as a sidebar: so far, buddy, your little missive has garnered you pride, ego, and wrath. three of the seven. you might want to slow down.) Just because I don't walk lock-step with some knee-jerk hate-monger does that mean I am not a Christian?

In this era of mass communications, media and the internet, we true Christians must be extra guardful against the Bakers, Sharptons, Weavers and those of that ilk that can quote the Bible with Devilish ease but teach a lesson of hate that would plunge us into another Dark Age.  No, IG, I don't hate Christians. I do strongly dislike people that try to pervert Christianity into something mean and hateful. People that make me feel the need to explain what kind of Christian I am.

You profess to want debate but you don't.  What you want is a chance to strut your knowledge of the Bible.  I've already said that any piddlin' little old Devil can quote the Bible with speed and accuracy.  If your bundle of Bible switches don't work, you resort to name calling and saying folks are anti-Christian or ignorant of the Chritstian Community or the Devil incarnate and so forth.  Tired old organic fertilizer.

Willie, like so much of what you write, your hint that since I was know ledgable about deviants I are one, is wrong.  While your "knowledge" of queers was obviously gained by having someone read to you from the privy walls, mine was gained via more conventional methods: Intro to Psy, Psy I & II, Abnormal Psy I & II, and seminars, classes, and courses too numerous to list about dealing with or motivating non-mainstream people.  

Well, your original post didn't result in the outpouring of senseless rage and hate that you had hoped for. (if you noticed, in my first post, I suggested a solution but that was quickly shouted down by the macho types)  And I'm not interested in your biased innuendos and empty adjectives so I'm done.  Make your post and have your little fellow "christian" post "good post IG good post" and then leap in the air and yell "ze plane, boss, ze plane".  

[rex6666]

I guess if a (man?) with a ankle bracelet (court provided) went to the restroom with beman or beers
wife or daughter it would be just fine, after all he just has a problem, but surly would not do anything in a public restroom, like the do in schools or on the street. Yes they are sick yes they have mental problems
so lets let them run loose with you wife and children NOT MINE i love mine too much.

[beemanbeme]

You know, IG, your rotten, stinking,  little innuendos like "I guess some of us have a greater regard for the safety and protection of innocent children than others" is pure BS!! It's your snotty way of saying that if Dale and I and others don't agree with your perverted take on things we don't love our children.  That you're on some moral highroad.  Everything you write is replete with snotty crap like that. And you wonder why I'm on your ass everytime you start in with your holier than thou thumping??  It's people like you that give Christianity a bad name.

Powderman, once again you spout off about morality, decency, and common sense.  And once again I ask you to to describe those qualities to us.  Bet you don't do it.  You won't share knowledge because you haven't any.