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Offline olsingleshot

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Martini scope mounting
« on: June 20, 2008, 05:40:04 AM »
I have a new to me Martini .22 with weaver bases installed. The question I have is should I mount the scope with extra high rings or use an extended eye relief scope? This would be necessary to easily load and unload a round.

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Re: Martini scope mounting
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2008, 09:06:51 AM »
Extended Eye scope.  That way you can get your head down on the gun and wring out all the accuracy of the little cadet.  When your head moves so doeas the bullet.

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Re: Martini scope mounting
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2008, 01:07:21 AM »
Cadet??? who mentioned cadet  ???

He said Martini .22  ;) BSA made many models of these and Vickers made others none of which are cadets. The cadet was a special model, a military trainer and chambered for the .310 Greener cartridge. Common BSA Models to be scoped were Model 12, Model 12/15 and the International series. The long target type scopes were the favorites back then.

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Re: Martini scope mounting
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2008, 04:21:23 AM »
Actually the action is an 1874 Enfield Martini with a W.W. Greener barrel.

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Re: Martini scope mounting
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2008, 06:13:11 AM »
Sorry.
Most if not all of the martini action 22 rimfire, 22Hornet, 25-20, 310, and 32-20's have all been Cadet models sporterized or targetized ( if that's a word)  and they just stick in my pea brain as Cadets. 

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Re: Martini scope mounting
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2008, 06:23:49 AM »
Well it may be called a Cadet, I am no expert. I just love singleshot rifles of any type. 

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Re: Martini scope mounting
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2008, 06:55:21 AM »
No when I said Cadet they all had the kangeroo stanp on them.  They were cadets.  I know that they made rook (Crows in England) rifles that were in all kinds of small calibers.
I have wanted to find a Martini small action and chamber it in 32H&R and make it into a small Quigly type rifle for shooting Jack and cotton tailed rabits.  Only becasue it's a strait walled case with a medium sized hole in it.  With a long barrel I think it would be  too heavy in 22 Hornet.
My friend and I hunt Rabits in a friends firld from the rock pile over looking the field  as you would hunt antelope and we see who picked the bigger set of ears.  I did have an old Remington rolling block in 32 Rimfire that was fun to shoot.  Sold it for too reasons, it was inaccurate past 60 yards and the ammo got harder to get and went up 150% and at 1.25 for rimfire I called it quits and bought a .17HMR.

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Re: Martini scope mounting
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2008, 11:01:19 AM »
Ahhh if it's a Greener conversion it was probably done for the Association of Miniture Rifle clubs and some are so marked on the side.

  Now Rooks and crows are different birds  ;) yep both are black but Rooks nest in colonies and are larger, crows as more solitary except when feeding, then there are the Choughs and Ravens all these have different feeding habits.

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Re: Martini scope mounting
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2008, 02:05:13 PM »
How do I paraphrase Shakespear.  A loud noisey black bird by any other name will shoot as sweet.  But thanks for the bird lesson.

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Re: Martini scope mounting
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2008, 04:38:23 PM »
I have seen them with a scout-scope which looks odd to me but had a nice sight pic when it came up on my shoulder...

I am going with High rings on this one that I am working on (218 Bee) Using Burris mounts and rings and just had the oct barrel drilled and tapped for them...



here is a pic of the wood I am probably going to put on it (was thinking about using it on my #1 218 Bee)



Here is a pic of how far I am with the wood that came with it...



another option is to have the top of the action milled down like I think it was the BSAs to aid in loading

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Re: Martini scope mounting
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2008, 08:49:51 PM »
How do I paraphrase Shakespear.  A loud noisey black bird by any other name will shoot as sweet.  But thanks for the bird lesson.

No Blackbirds are much smaller and belong to a different family  ;) Ahhh you see out bird life is differetn from a lot of what you have in the US and sometimes folks get confused. Just tryig to help.

   Ahhhh glwenzl,

           Nice wood you have there  ;D should be really nice once it's finsihed.

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Re: Martini scope mounting
« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2008, 12:19:48 PM »
Nice little gun.  Should really look good with the new stock.
Brit,

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Re: Martini scope mounting
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2008, 12:28:06 PM »
Brit,
I know what a red wing black bird is.  Or were you refering to the ones in the nursery rhyme that are baked in a pie.    I was refering to the color of the rooks, crows, and ravens.
And I know the black bird in the pie was actually a docking device to keep the pie from spilling over and they were made of ceramic.  At least that is what we have here that is called that.  You English make a pie out of everything so, maybe the rhym is actually telling the truth.

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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2008, 11:04:45 PM »
Ahh our Blackbird is a type of Thrush and is of course normally all Black. Males have bright Orange beaks and the females are a drab brown and not black at all. Yes these are the Blackbirds I would assume to be the pie but now you raise the point perhaps it was Rooks after all as in the Spring Branchers which is what the young Rooks were called were culled and made into Rook Pie.

In days of yore all sorts of things were eaten which are now not acceptable or protected. The poor land workers would take young birds from nests to eat now an illegal practice. Of course the population was much smaller then but folks lived off the land. With the recession that our politions deny is happening I can see some of the older ways of eating comming back, no not raiding the bird nests but using cheaper cuts of meat which have fallen out of favor, dishes using left overs instead of throwing them away as seems the norm now  ::).

  Actually if you see our crows plumage in flight when the light catches it it's not black but deep midnight Blue and it's almost metallic, irridesant (spelling) quite beautiful to see  ;D.

  Oh yes we do like our pies  ;D in fact just talking about them has made me think about a Rhubbarb pie as there will be some more ready for pulling soon. I have not seen one fo the pie Black birds for years, Mum used to have one but we don't use it now if she still has one .................... Hmmm will have to ask her. We just put the pie dish on a shallow baking tray to catch any spillage.

Edit:- corrected spelling  :-[

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Re: Martini scope mounting
« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2008, 03:29:41 AM »
You guys are funny. I ask about scopes and end up learning about birds. LOL

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Re: Martini scope mounting
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2008, 07:14:58 AM »
I ask about scopes and end up learning about birds. LOL

Birds?   ???  I thought we were talking about how to drink beer!    After all, Brit said...
now you raise the pint

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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2008, 11:39:08 AM »
Whoops sorry I missed out the "O"  :-[

Beer   YUCK  :( awful stuff, stinks too!

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Re: Martini scope mounting
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2008, 01:59:17 PM »
Beer   YUCK  :( awful stuff, stinks too!

WHAT!   :o  Them's fightin' words 'round here boy!  Next thing you know you'll be saying NASCAR is boring and wrestling ain't real!   ::)   ;)

Sorry, better get back on topic... Martini's;  vodka, very dry, shaken... a few of them and you can mount anything...
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Re: Martini scope mounting
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2008, 12:05:58 AM »
Ahhhhh how does one say this  ???

    But it's not often I drink at all, Martinis not thank you, when I drink it's either Cider (Hard Cider), Barcardi (White rum) or a light white wine. Wrestling I don't bother with as most mainstream so called sports and motor racing has gotten boring yes. Used to like the Motorcycel racing until I went to the British GP some years back at Donnington. The A-holes there ruined it and I have never bothered with it since. Prefered chops and lowriders anyway  ;D.

    Now Martini actioned rifles I do rather like and have a few of them. Like this 12/15:-



Sorry but I have lost access to my Photobucket account so cannot post photos of the Military .303 AC11 and the Muscat Martini .303 carbine.

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Re: Martini scope mounting
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2008, 02:12:05 AM »
First the rifle is a 1874 model converted by WW Greener to .22mag for the NRA. I decided it would look best with an old Weaver K4 in high rings. So far that is working out and loading is fairly easy. It does shoot 3/4" groups at 75 yards. I guess it is a keeper. Thanks for you help and bird lesson.

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Re: Martini scope mounting
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2008, 02:20:35 PM »
Ahhhh if it's a .22 magnum then it's been re-chambered at some point as the magnum cartridge was not about when the original conversion was done. However it sounds nice so photo's please.

I have just brought some old steel P-H mounting blocks like those used on the Martini's and am going to see if I now have the right ones for my 12/15 as have been considering putting a scope on it for some time.

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Re: Martini scope mounting
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2008, 05:59:55 AM »
You are absolutely correct. It was chambered for .22 long rifle by Greener for the NRA. It is an ok rifle, the lever has been brazed at one time. But for what I paid for it, I am happy. The trigger is nice also.

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Re: Martini scope mounting
« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2008, 12:51:43 AM »
Ahh the strain of forging the lever to suit that stock possbly caused it to crack as the large framed Martini's were not shaped like that.