Author Topic: Who will you be voting for for president? (Read 14731 times)

beemanbeme · « **Reply #240 on:** July 20, 2008, 04:09:15 AM »

Buckhammer makes some good points.

Israel is the problem in the ME but IMO it's a problem the Muslims are gonna have to learn to live with. I don't believe we can just feed them to the dogs.

I agree very strongly that a full effort try for a solution to our energy problems should be made. And it hasn't. We've had endless research grants to schools and individuals that have sent their grandchildren to school on the money with no real results. Look at all the obstickles that cropped up in the space program that were solved in short order.

Buckhammer74 · « **Reply #241 on:** July 20, 2008, 09:10:49 AM »

Anyone see T.Boone Pickens commercial on TV today?

I went to www.pickensplan.com and read up on it a little. My dial up connection is so bad that I cant down load video worth a darn, I get frustrated waiting and stop it.

This guy seems to be putting his money where his mouth is on the energy crisis.

ironglow · « **Reply #242 on:** July 20, 2008, 02:43:42 PM »

Zacheroo;

Sure, they are both red-blooded, dyed-in-the-wool, American patriots..at least their buddies
at New Yorker Magazine think so...

bilmac · « **Reply #243 on:** July 20, 2008, 03:34:06 PM »

Quote from: Buckhammer74 on July 19, 2008, 08:01:24 PM

In my opinion, let the Islamics have it. We keep p!$$ing money into a lost cause that only brings US further down.

Where did you learn your history Buck? You could be quoting the popular opinion of most of the world before WW-2
. China tried isolationism and they ended up a British colony.

Trouble is the fanatical muslems don't want to destroy just Israel they won't be happy unless your wife is wearing a burka too. They call us the "Great Satan"

So what do you want to do, play defense? We can defend all of our boarder? If not then what? Are we gonna be able to defend our airports ,and nuclear plants, and water supplies, and our food supplies,ect.ect.ect. No, George Bush did exactly the right thing. We send our troops to their backyard and help every one of the Muslems who want to go to heaven get their wish.

beemanbeme · « **Reply #244 on:** July 20, 2008, 03:42:14 PM »

I agree with Buck that we are poking a lot of money that we can ill afford down a lot of bottomless ratholes but I don't believe Israel is one of them. (New Orleans does come to mind however,

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torpedoman · « **Reply #245 on:** July 20, 2008, 06:47:06 PM »

Quote from: hardertr on June 27, 2008, 05:21:21 AM

I'm voting for Obama. I don't like to be on a losing team...and that's just what it will be if you guys don't rally around ONE candidate on the Republican side.

This is why we will never get a third party elected "I'll vote of a guy who will win rather than a good man."

ironglow · « **Reply #246 on:** July 21, 2008, 01:25:42 AM »

Interesting site concerning the Obama pheonomenon, don't miss the trailer with it's several "click on" segments .

www.hypemovie.com/

Ruskin · « **Reply #247 on:** July 21, 2008, 03:54:30 AM »

A question comes to mind about contributions to the canadidates.

In the last go around the swift vets got my money. The RNC is having trouble raising money. Obomination is raking in money hand over fist. I guess the contibutors don't really care other than to have a change. I wonder to what? I wonder when he refers to the beacon of light again, what time frame is he referring to?

Back to my question, I am thinking th NRA PVF would be a place to send money. Reason is that when the delegate receives money it would be from many and not one. With many sending through one organization then it should represent the voice of many like minded on the gun rights issue.

ironglow · « **Reply #248 on:** July 21, 2008, 05:48:47 PM »

Wonder who Bob Barr will pick for Veep ? Hey..maybe he'll go with Al Gore; they're getting to be good buds..

www.nolanchart.com/article4279.html

Another site ww3.komotv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8693679 ..reading down to the last couple paragraphs,even looks like he's doing a little

hand-holding with our "old friends" from the ACLU...

DakotaElkSlayer · « **Reply #249 on:** July 21, 2008, 06:55:09 PM »

Quote from: Buckhammer74 on July 20, 2008, 09:10:49 AM

Anyone see T.Boone Pickens commercial on TV today?

I went to www.pickensplan.com and read up on it a little. My dial up connection is so bad that I cant down load video worth a darn, I get frustrated waiting and stop it.

This guy seems to be putting his money where his mouth is on the energy crisis.

Thanks for the link... Pickens sure does seem to make sense. One thing he forgot to mention is how his plan would really drop the price of oil due to lessening our demand.

Jim

DakotaElkSlayer · « **Reply #250 on:** July 21, 2008, 07:29:17 PM »

Wow...the Swiftboat Legacy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBiti-ZbeO0

Jim

ironglow · « **Reply #251 on:** July 22, 2008, 01:19:57 AM »

Don't know if the allegations are true Dakota; ...but all the important talking heads in Washington have said; "Any information obtained
by way of torture, is not reliable info..since a person being tortured will say anything to make the pain go away"..

Even by the remote chance it is true, it could not be compared to the Swift Boats because Kerry's condemnation of our troops actions were not
extracted by way of torture. Kerry made his ugly accusations openly and freely, before the US Congress !

Perhaps Dakota, you would like to undergo torture such as starvation, sleep deprivation, beatings, broken arms hung from ropes for days at a time
and many other pain enhancers..just to show us you would never claim bombs may have missed their intended target !

Frankly; having never been tested in a Viet Cong torture chamber, I cannot be sure I wouldn't hedge a bit after a few days of "hanging around"..

As much as I disagree with some of his policies; If you're attempting to call McCain, after enduring several years of torture, some kind of coward..
You're going to have to stand on firmer ground than you obviously do...

Seems I recall some old axiom about.."walking a mile in another man's shoes"..

ironglow · « **Reply #252 on:** July 22, 2008, 01:33:14 AM »

Dakota;
Perhaps you would like to explain another "quirk" on the campaign trail. According to this morning's news, Barak Hussein Obama has forbidden
the color green to be associated with his campaign !
Now; we see the Palestinian rioters waving green flags, the green banners of the "Akbar" bombers and all the parades by muslim terrorist groups
waving their green.

Now, I don't know B. Hussein's motives..but I do realize that if I were a dishonest, closet Communist running for Prez...I would not want a lot of
RED cloth or banners around me..

A link: www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/11935.html

Dee · « **Reply #253 on:** July 22, 2008, 01:46:00 AM »

I do not consider McCain a coward. I do not consider him in favor of the American people's REAL needs. I do not consider him qualified to lead our country based on his military experience, both as a pilot, or prisoner of war. I do not consider him a friend to the Constitution and Bill of Rights considering his voting record on such issues as the second amendment (in fact dis-arm us), and leaving our borders wide open. I do not consider him a friend to the American people considering his stance on ON SHORE DRILLING due to the fact that, he is able to be chauffeured all over the country in gas guzzling limousines, and PASSENGER PLANES paid for by the taxpayer, while we struggle to put regular gas in our cars and trucks to go to work. I do not consider him in touch with our health care needs or costs, since he has NEVER had to concern himself with such things as this.
I do not consider him in touch with the American people's struggle to keep their heads above financial water with the souring cost of living and the declining dollar, and no cost of living raises, while he and his fellow ARISTOCRATS vote themselves RECORD pay raises, and lifetime benefits packages EVERY YEAR for themselves and wives. I do not consider him a friend to the American people when he is in FAVOR of censorship of conservative talk radio, which is in fact an effort to SILENCE THE PEOPLE.
I do however consider him an elitist LIBERAL, as he has PROVEN IT, over a twenty year period. I do consider him a liberal politician whom will say what ever necessary to be president, as he has gone against his own voting record to calm the rising clamor over some of his past voting records.
I also consider him a fraud, and a liar, much on the same order as his worthy opponent, Mr. Obama. I also believe that regardless of which one wins, the other will remain in the senate, and push for banning such things as firearms, and which ever one lands in the white house will sign the other's bills.
In other words, when the fighting among the American people over which one of these scoundrels to vote for ceases, and one of them is elected, they will once again join hands and merrily together, march us all off to fascism. Their socialist program after all, is almost complete.
Now that is what I DO believe.

Dee · « **Reply #254 on:** July 22, 2008, 02:30:02 AM »

The Caspian Basin I have read has one of the richest oil deposits in the world underneath it. To remove it however, one must take it out thru Afghanistan to Caspian Sea. Another issue entirely.
Mr. Obama, is no doubt being groomed by the media, as he is a, "in appearance" a soft sell on the Muslim issues, and will give them what they want.
Hollywood no doubt loves him.
McCain on the other hand is a hot-headed liberal that will not soft sell anyone anything that he wants. He will ram it down their throats. Unfortunately he feels the same attitude toward the American people. He has proven it time and again with his voting. He has no real respect for the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. Some may argue not so, but his voting record proves it. He has also given speeches recently to out of work Americans about what a good deal free trade and NAFTA are. Is that out of touch or what?
Obama or McCain. It is a lose-lose proposition EITHER WAY. Both parties are I think, broken beyond repair at this point, and voting for either party will only send a message of "we accept your terms of OUR surrender". Compliance can send no other message. Worse yet, the next election choices will be even worse.
Just as the Hollywood elites, we have put them in power by buying their movies, and then being OUTRAGED at their political stances they have been able to promote with the money we have given them. WE HAVE EMPOWERED THEM.
And whether we vote McCain or Obama, it either way, is a vote of empowerment to the winner whether we accept this fact or not. They WILL NOT CHANGE, until WE CHANGE. JMO
Just another note on Afghanistan. The Afghans drove Alexander the Great out of their country, AND they did like wise to the Soviet Union, which because of that war no longer exists. Are we truly any different that others in history whom considered themselves more capable? As the old saying goes, forget history, and you are condemned to repeat it. I am not against the Afghan ass kicking that was administered to the terrorist training camps, as they were the TRUE VILLIANS of 911. In fact I was and am for it. I am just not so sure the present goal in Afghanistan is attainable given it's HISTORICAL HISTORY. In reality, during the Soviet Union OCCUPATION, the Taliban was our friend. Now it is reversed during ours, with an econmy that is now staggering under the weight of debt, and the declining dollar. I believe Ron Pauls point will be RAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS, on our debt, whether we want to swallow or not. Once again. JMO

ironglow · « **Reply #255 on:** July 22, 2008, 04:42:07 AM »

I heard that the "four corners' area of AZ, NM, UT & CO, has one of the largest reservoirs of oil in the world..Maybe Bush will declare war on those states;
Makes about as much sense.
'Spose he's got his eye on Canada too ?.

TribReady · « **Reply #256 on:** July 22, 2008, 04:59:55 AM »

Interesting point IG. It has to be about more than the money or we'd be tapping into our own supply, right?
There's much more to our ME involvement than that, right?

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #257 on:** July 22, 2008, 05:38:25 AM »

T. Boone Pickens is testifying before congress today. Check out his website:

http://www.pickensplan.com/

He wants to build wind farms up and down the plains states and around the coasts. Build solar power plants in the southwest. Switch from natural gas power production to wind and solar, then use natural gas in vehicles. Would cut imported oil by 38%. He says congress should mandate that all federal fleet vehicles and state fleets be converted to natural gas. Fleet use is about 20% of all vehicle use in America. Would create more jobs here and keep money at home. Can be done now. I work for a natural gas company. We can order trucks already equipted for natural gas right off the assembly line. Put compressor stations behind all service stations to compress the natural gas for use in vehicles. Natural gas is cleaner than gasoline. Engines last longer. Natural gas translates to between $1.75 - $1.92 a gallon, depending on where you live. Add the road taxes and it is around $2.75-$3 a gallon. This can be done now, and completed in 5-10 years. No 20-50 years into the future. Gasoline price would drop some with less use, probably back to around $3 to compete with natural gas. There are over 50,000 natural gas distribution companies in the US, so it is more competitive. Not so with oil, with 6 major companies supplying 85% of the fuel. They can easily cartel.

BBF · « **Reply #258 on:** July 22, 2008, 05:42:07 AM »

Bush having his eye on Canada !! Canadian oil has been going to the US for years and I pay well over 5 bucks a gallon for my gas for some time.While the US consumer whineabout 4 bucks a gallon.

THANKS, but NO I don't want to run my car on compressed natural gas. I really don't like sitting next to a bomb. Look up to see what the pressure in one of those tanks need to be that sits in your car.

BTW. I worked for an Open Pit copper mine back in the late 1960 that tried using natural gas even mixed with diesel to run their generators, the gave up on it after long tests, seems they kept burning out the engines.
Now the Indians( East) are using compressed air to run that new urban vehicle. Will we see it here. NEVER !! , after all with the price of one of them, how can the CEO's make their million $ salaries and bonus

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #259 on:** July 22, 2008, 06:09:54 AM »

The compressed tanks we use are like the acetylene-oxygen bottles currently being used nation wide in welding and in hospitals oxygen tanks. One cup of gasoline is equal to 1 stick of dynamite. This is 2008, not 1960. Also, blended fuel doesn't work too well. Engine can be dedicated to one fuel. We have been running natural gas in our vehicles since the mid-90's with only one problem. We ordered one truck with a composite tank which ruptured. Went back to the steel tanks. 2,500 -3,500 psi is the pressure we use.

Same tanks used to hold compressed natural gas will be used on the compressed air car from India. They are planning on exporting this car to the US in 2010. It goes 68mph for about 125 miles on a compression. I think compressed air could replace hybrid technology, because it is readily available and cheaper to produce since hybrids batteries are expensive. A gasoline-compressed air hybrid or a natural gas-compressed air hybrid is the way to go. It would give you range with compressed air used only in acceleration.

DalesCarpentry · « **Reply #260 on:** July 22, 2008, 08:14:10 AM »

This really does sound great!!!!!! Here is some more information if any of you are interested. Dale http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_car http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=compressed+air+car+&btnG=Google+Search

DakotaElkSlayer · « **Reply #261 on:** July 22, 2008, 08:31:55 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on July 22, 2008, 01:19:57 AM

Don't know if the allegations are true Dakota; ...but all the important talking heads in Washington have said; "Any information obtained
by way of torture, is not reliable info..since a person being tortured will say anything to make the pain go away"..

Even by the remote chance it is true, it could not be compared to the Swift Boats because Kerry's condemnation of our troops actions were not
extracted by way of torture. Kerry made his ugly accusations openly and freely, before the US Congress !

Perhaps Dakota, you would like to undergo torture such as starvation, sleep deprivation, beatings, broken arms hung from ropes for days at a time
and many other pain enhancers..just to show us you would never claim bombs may have missed their intended target !

Frankly; having never been tested in a Viet Cong torture chamber, I cannot be sure I wouldn't hedge a bit after a few days of "hanging around"..

As much as I disagree with some of his policies; If you're attempting to call McCain, after enduring several years of torture, some kind of coward..
You're going to have to stand on firmer ground than you obviously do...

Seems I recall some old axiom about.."walking a mile in another man's shoes"..

..."walking a mile in another man's shoes..." EXACTLY! I remember when Kerry was running for President. I found it unbelievable how people questioned his military service; especially by the self-proclaimed "patriots." They picked apart everything he did; it was a character assassination. Then, these same people had the nerve to call him a liar when he talked about American war crimes when he left the military. Hell, I think it was a Toledo newspaper that won a Pulitzer for its investigation of Tiger Force in Vietnam and the way they "wacked" everything.
My whole point in posting the link, was to show how ironic this is... The "right" opened Pandora's Box with there treatment of Kerry and now they are facing the music they composed.

Jim

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #262 on:** July 23, 2008, 01:37:19 AM »

I find it unbeliveable that if someone is military they become untouchable ! Some serve with honor and others don't !
It dosen't take a General to know a good solider any more than it takes a vetineran to know a horses azz !
The people who served with Kerry cooked his goose !

jager · « **Reply #263 on:** July 23, 2008, 09:28:30 AM »

I think the "untouchable" part of the discussion is a "Media Myth" they try to perpetuate (many times successfully). It has to do with the "political affiliation of a person in regards to an issue, rather than their profession. Examples of their double standards are: (1) If you are a "Black Conservative" you are an "Uncle Tom", if your a "Liberal" every issue is a "Race" issue (2) if you are "Conservative" serving in any military branch you are a "Baby Killer", but if you oppose military action in any military theater they oppose you are an "Expert" worthy of an anchor spot on CNN (3) if you are a Conservative gun owner you are a "Dim Witted Hick" who is probably a "Radical Christian" as well, but if you favor "Gun Control" and own one gun, you are an "Enlightened Sportsman" who will be interviewed when any accidental shooting occurs in one of our 57 (oops, I mean 50) states) (4) If you don't believe in the "Global Warming" hoax you are a "Flat Earth" advocate, but if you believe in the hoax you are a "Scientific Researcher" regardless of credentials (Owlgor's degree?). The list goes on and on, belying that "Liberals really are for "Free Speech" other than their own.
I would not put this "Forum" in the same category as the media; for it certainly allows both sides of an argument and everyone who dares "blog" is fair game to criticism and inspection. Kerry was "outed" by those with whom he served. Had he never made such "outrageous" claims to Congress against all those that served in Vietnam, then touted his own heroism and experience as a qualification for President, his record would not have been an issue.
Those that have served and are serving in the Armed Forces today deserve our thanks, but they are not untouchable regarding their opinions and actions (and neither are any of us). Whether we agree or not, those of us that served did so in order that those that didn't (able or not) to express that opinion freely and equally, but not without opposition and much discussion (IMO).
I believe the "Media" is attempting to make Obama an "Untouchable" on many issues we take for granted we can address. His European tour has the "makings" of a new "American Idol". I don't think he can stand the "scrutiny" if he ever becomes "unedited" by the "Press" who "fervently" want him elected.

Ruskin · « **Reply #264 on:** July 24, 2008, 03:32:26 AM »

I talked to a Coast Guard vet before the Kerry election. I was unaware they(coast guard) were in country. He said they were patrolling like Kerry did. He had arrived just before the purple heart hero left. I asked what his repurtaion was to which he replied it was not good among those that knew him and his service.

We all can remember the idiot in our squadrons we wish were gone; however, we had to live with them. I suppose Kerry was tolerated more than loved.

BBF · « **Reply #265 on:** July 24, 2008, 07:37:15 AM »

Jager: I like your post but am of a different opinion in regards to CNN. I don't think they are in the liberal tank as the rest. Neither is FOX IMO

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #266 on:** July 24, 2008, 08:57:18 AM »

One thing I need to add to my previous post. Natural gas vehicles we used in the 70's and early 80's had carburetors. That could present a problem in adjustments. With fuel injection we have had no problems with acceleration or any other engine problems. I drove a truck for 5 hours one day on an out of town trip with no problems. Top speed I drove was 75 mph on the interstate. (Didn't want to get a ticket). I just hope congress and the next president gets on board with Picken's plan. About 20-25% of all vehicles used in the US are in fleets like Federal, State, Local governments, school systems, mass transit buses, utilities, UPS, FedEx, etc. If all those changed to natural gas, it would put a massive dent in imported oil. This is primarily what Picken's wants. Federal mandated changes, first Federal vehicles, then if states and local governments get Federal money, make them change, then give tax credits or incentives for fleet users. Individuals would be last after enough refueling stations were installed. Use the wind and solar power to offset natural gas use for electricity. Later we change coal to nuclear, then make synthetic gasoline, diesel, and even natural gas from coal. Also, drill for our own oil. Finally in about 10-20 years, eliminate imports altogether. This would also help our trade deficit, which in turn raises the value of the dollar, and doing our own fuel and power systems, create many new good paying jobs, which will help fill the government with more tax revenue.

beemanbeme · « **Reply #267 on:** July 24, 2008, 01:08:22 PM »

I hate to do it but I have to add, I have posted before, what is considered a "good well paying job" where I live is a job for which you have no qualifications, from which you can't be fired, and which pays you about 4 times what you're worth. Sad but true.
The American labour force is gonna have to realize the good old days of going to work in a factory right out of highschool (or before), making $25.00/hr with a sack full of bennies when the same job can be done overseas for $5.00/day with a company house and a company clinic provided ain't never coming back. No matter what those pols promise you.

Dixie Dude · « **Reply #268 on:** July 24, 2008, 02:56:55 PM »

The power companies who install and service the windmills will probably have good paying union jobs. The companies who install and service the compressors at gas stations will require technicians trained for this type of work. Natural gas generating stations require very little maintenance, except for a jet engine mechanic to service the engines when they are down, usually in winter. Windmills may require more labor due to the shear numbers required and possible damaging weather. Money will be spent here on domestically produced fuel, not spent overseas. In economics a dollar goes around 7 times before it comes back to you. If this circle of spending is here, then it provides jobs here. If the money goes overseas, the ones getting our dollars may not buy American products in exchange, but European, China or India's products. Large solar power plants in the southwest will require servicing and maintenance. Most of these jobs may require a two year technical degree. True we don't have factories like we used to have, but the natural gas and electrical power industry will be expanding to take care of this change to wind, solar, and natural gas. Then, we can procede with nuclear power plants to replace the coal. Then use coal to produce synthetic oil. We can do this but it will take an effort by all to achieve. The feds have to kick start it, by making tax incentives to switch. Oil companies should invest in this also for their own future. Also, how many of these windmills and solar farms are manufactured in the US? I don't know. How many jobs will be made to install them. These are not vegetable picking, floor sweeping, jobs. These will require more skilled and semiskilled labor.

DakotaElkSlayer · « **Reply #269 on:** July 24, 2008, 03:24:15 PM »

Quote from: beemanbeme on July 24, 2008, 01:08:22 PM

I hate to do it but I have to add, I have posted before, what is considered a "good well paying job" where I live is a job for which you have no qualifications, from which you can't be fired, and which pays you about 4 times what you're worth. Sad but true.
The American labour force is gonna have to realize the good old days of going to work in a factory right out of highschool (or before), making $25.00/hr with a sack full of bennies when the same job can be done overseas for $5.00/day with a company house and a company clinic provided ain't never coming back. No matter what those pols promise you.

Actually, I have heard that Coleman, the big camping company, is now starting to produce goods in the USA again. Seems like the cost of shipping is offsetting the cheap labor found internationally. I would expect we will be seeing more of this as fuel prices rise.

Jim

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