Who will you be voting for for president?

[Dee]

Unfortunately, these votes convert to 7 for Obama and 39 for McCain. As much as I like Barr, he will only take votes from McCain.

What we really need is a campaign to get Hillary to run as a 3rd party candidate. That's the sure road to the White House for McCain.

Well the people votong for Barr are"doing the right thing", kinda a hippy thing.

There is nothing "hippy" about voting for the person whom still respects the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. YOU should try it some time

Even though thier vote will count for absolutly NOTHING, they will FEEL they made a STATEMENT. Well yes they will have made a statement, thier statement is we support Barrak Hussien Obama.

No our vote will indicate that we SUPPORT the Constitution and Bill of Rights while YOU and YOUR friends have continued to vote for the ARISTOCRACY of D.C. YOUR STATEMENT, will say you do not have the courage to STEP UP, and vote for the HONEST man.

 Come on guys get over this feel good hippy mentallity and actually do something.

Come on billy, EDUCATE YOUR SELF. Get over the fact that the most liberal Republican in history WON'T SAVE YOU. You have to save yourself.

Your silly support for a third party candidate will have absolutly no influence on the outcome of this election. Might as well stay home.

Your moronic support of the Republican LIBERAL "WILL" have an influence on the outcome of this election. It will be: "More of the same". You SHOULD stay home. But instead you will sit on your stool in the corner, wear your pointed Republican hat, and drink your McCain Kool aide, while at the same time, make condescending, contentious remarks to, and about folks whom don't agree with you. You and powderman, are cheerleaders to each other, and the LIBERAL SOCIAL ELETE, whom have shown they don't care about you, while criticizing other Americans whom simply don't agree with you.
The very first post on this thread, stated that it was not for the purpose of long discussions or arguments, that it was just an attempt at getting a feel for how folks felt. Lacking self control you and powderman, have turned it into a bashing thread, for folks whom don't agree with you and your archaic strategy of voting business as usual. If either of you were as PATRIOTIC as you claim you would respect others perception of what they believe the problem is, rather than both of your condescending, and contentious personalities when folks don't "fall into line" with you method of voting. A vote for Barr is a vote for a man, and party whom still RESPECTS the Constitution and Bill of Rights. A vote for McCain "OR" Obama is a vote for a LIBERAL ELETIST. So vote McCain. LIBERAL! .

[Fazak]

I'm voting for Barr,..but it's not taking a vote away from McCain.

I wouldn't vote for McCain anyway.

[SHOOTALL]

We vote every 4 years , A vote for Barr will surely effect the election . Now if we continue to go on like we have then we will be no better . BUT if we vote our conviction a couple elections and the election has different results . Well maybe some canidate will notice and cater to the NEW voting patterns .
At best we change for the good .
At worst we speed up whats comming anyway with out correction !

[Dee]

We vote every 4 years , A vote for Barr will surely effect the election . Now if we continue to go on like we have then we will be no better . BUT if we vote our conviction a couple elections and the election has different results . Well maybe some canidate will notice and cater to the NEW voting patterns .
At best we change for the good .
At worst we speed up whats comming anyway with out correction !

There it is in a nutshell SHOOTALL. You hit the nail on the head. I do not FEAR Obama, or McCain. I simply DREAD paying the consequences for a failed voting method that has painted us into a corner. Some seem happy to stand in the corner, and want us to CONTINUE to stand there with them, while we are steadily ROBBED OF OUR LIBERTY a little at a time. I am not, and have paint on my feet. I have walked out of the corner. I will not vote out of FEAR of this candidate, or that candidate. I have already said, enough is enough. I am just waiting on the rest to get the courage to say the same, and stand up for a REAL CHANGE.

[SHOOTALL]

Barr then !

[lrs]

I keep telling myself I have to for McCain.  Obama would be a disaster. 
But McCain sure is making it more difficult. 
I heard on the radio he gave a speech, I think Yesterday.  I think it was at a lettuce farm, and he was thanking the workers for doing work American's won't do.
If McCain does not win, it will not be b/c of Bob Barr, it will be b/c of McCain.

[lrs]

Oh, and this. 
If McCain does win, the Republican party can marginalize true conservativism.

[Cabin4]

We vote every 4 years , A vote for Barr will surely effect the election . Now if we continue to go on like we have then we will be no better . BUT if we vote our conviction a couple elections and the election has different results . Well maybe some canidate will notice and cater to the NEW voting patterns .
At best we change for the good .
At worst we speed up whats comming anyway with out correction !

I hope we have time....I really do. But I think Obama in the White House and with Both the Senate and Congress with a Liberal majority, it could be an absolute disaster. Thsi guy will essentially have total and complete POWER! We have to stop that.

[TribReady]

Guys, I totally see your reasoning and rationale for voting 3rd party or obstaining from voting. I also hate the idea of Liberal A vs. Liberal B
  I understand wanting to get the ball rolling back in the opposite direction towards conservatism, and that it may take awhile.  HOWEVER, cabin4 hit it on the head, we may not have time.
Obama is so far left and extreme that he has to be stopped.  We face, with the help of Congress and potentially the Supreme Court: federal funding for unrestricted abortion on demand, stem cell research, firearm confiscation and regulations that we can hardly imagine, environmental wacko-ism, and a cozying up to Muslim extremists hell bent on destroying us all.
I know, voting for McCain may only slow down the inevitable, but if it slows down, there's hope to stop it. Obama ushers us into a whole new era that I personally don't want to live thru.
All that said, there is still only one way to change this country around: What other nation is so great as to have their gods near them the way the LORD our God is near us whenever we pray to him?  Deut 4:7

[powderman]

Don't kid yourselves guys, voting for Mccain is the  only way to keep osama out of office. You know this, yet some of you insist on voting for a man that you know can't possibly win. All 3rd party votes will go against Mccan, and aid obama. If osama obama wins, our 2nd amendment rights go right out the door, you know this too. Yet, you insist on helping him win, sounds kinda stooooopid to me. When obama wins, you can smile smugly and say to yourself, well, I sure showed em. Sad POWDERMAN. 

[Fazak]

All 3rd party votes will go against Mccan, and aid obama.

What about those votes that go third party instead of voting for Obama?

[DalesCarpentry]

I'm voting for Barr,..but it's not taking a vote away from McCain.

I wouldn't vote for McCain anyway.

So you would rather vote Barr and have your vote mean nothing!!!!!!!!!! So I take it you are a closet Obama lover because if you do as you say you might as well vote for him. Dale

[powderman]

All 3rd party votes will go against Mccan, and aid obama.

What about those votes that go third party instead of voting for Obama?

Since they can't count for Mccain, they automatically count for obama since they do not count for Mccain. Simple, think about it. POWDERMAN. 

[Cheesehead]

Don't worry boys and girls. Judging by the poll, Mccain has the nod by a wide margin.

Cheese

[Cabin4]

All 3rd party votes will go against Mccan, and aid obama.

What about those votes that go third party instead of voting for Obama?

No body who is willing to vote for Obama is going to vote for Barr!! Barr can only syphon McCain votes. Nader can only syphon Obama votes.

[torpedoman]

I'm another who is tired of voting for the lessor of two evils, and McCain may not be that much lessor, If Lieberman is his pick for v.p. it is definitely third party time. In this election the v.p. pick is a big thing. McCain will probably die in office and obama will probably get assassinated.

[DalesCarpentry]

I'm another who is tired of voting for the lessor of two evils, and McCain may not be that much lessor, If Lieberman is his pick for v.p. it is definitely third party time. In this election the v.p. pick is a big thing

I see where you get your name from now. Dale

[Fazak]

All 3rd party votes will go against Mccan, and aid obama.

What about those votes that go third party instead of voting for Obama?

No body who is willing to vote for Obama is going to vote for Barr!! Barr can only syphon McCain votes. Nader can only syphon Obama votes.

How can you rationalize that opinion?

The Iraq war is one of the biggest issues this election.

Both Barr and Obama are much more in favor of shutting that mess down than McCain.

I'm quite certain that there will be many voters who will be choosing between Barr and Obama on that issue alone,.. and those voters won't be giving any thought at all to voting for McCain.

Personally, I wouldn't vote for McCain if he was the only candidate running.

He's stabbed conservatives in the back on many occasions while serving as a Republican.

After McCain/Feingold and McCain/Lieberman, I wouldn't vote for McCain for dog catcher.

To boil it down, if McCain is the best the Republican party can muster these days, it's time for them to move on out of the way and let another political party step forward to represent Conservatives in America.

McCain just doesn't make the grade for me.

[torpedoman]

forgot to add  that this poll is questioning the bitter people who cling to guns and religion and we still have 3 people stupid enough to vote for obama. any one can get a poll to produce their desired results by picking were to take the poll just how many gun polls do you think are taken in rural areas verses metropolitan areas were they can go to the soccer fields and poll the moms?

[ironglow]

   As Rush said, this election is a referendum for or against Obama..that simple !
  He gets in..with a house and senate doing his (actually George Soros) bidding,
  and our freedom can be gone before his 1st term runs out !

  Especially when he gets to appoint the next judge on SCOTUS..

[jager]

Since when does McCain rate as the same kind of "Liberal" as Obama? Obama has been assessed by an "independent focus group as the most liberal Senator in the Senate (even more so than Kerry). Is McCain for "National Health Care", which will finish "breaking the bank"; want to repeal "Conceal Carry" laws; enact "windfall profit" taxes so we can have gas "rationing" and extend benefits to the welfare programs (it's called "socialism" folks)? Does McCain want to pull our troops out of Iraq "unconditionally?" I think many of you have confused all "Conservatives" to be "Evangelical Christian Conservatives" ("EVC" for short) and determined that those that are, are only not "Moderates", but are "Liberals" (I've never been accused of that before). Just how many EVC's are there in the republican party, 20% or less? How many are in the Libertarian Party with no national recognition and chance in a national election? I do truly believe that McCain is a "Rockefeller Republican" who thinks he is a "Teddy Roosevelt" (Bull Moose Party rep.) and a "Maverick". McCain has made powerful enemies of the "Conservative Base", particularly among "Social Conservatives"; however, he is no friend of the "Radical Liberal" and they know it. The DNC also know if they can divide McCain's support, as Clinton did in 92, whereas Obama has a chance to win.  If Obama wins, we all lose and are diminished by a Congress who is waiting for a bigger "veto proof" majority and a President who will pass all the "hair brain" schemes they have been blocked from enacting by Moderates and Conservatives in Congress. If there is no difference between a "radical liberal", who embraces Markism, Black separatist theology, and "socialist" governmental programs for its people than a Rockefeller Republican (moderate at best), than I think we can be defined as more "extreme" as a group of voters and are more vulnerable to be "marginalize" by our own definition of what makes a "viable candidate". If this is the case, that we cannot "tolerate" anyone but our "own", than what many of you really are suggesting is a "revolution" by the "proletarian" class to overthrow the existing government and install your own "dictatorial" candidate that represents those of us who are "Social and Fiscal Conservatives", even if we are not in the majority. I don't think we are ready for another "Succession" to be followed by a "War of Urban Aggression" by both "Left Coasts". It's not an "all or nothing" situation with the "line draw in the sand" for your candidate (IMO), but it is an "impending crisis" with Obama becoming our President. Obama does not represent an "anti-Bush" vote, as he does to many Democrats; just as Barr does not represent an "anti-McCain vote. I agree with the "majority here", that a vote that does not support McCain is one less vote Democrats have to worry about against their candidate. Vote your conscience without "malice" and be glad we live in a free country where we can discuss such matters and vote as we like. "It may not be a great system, but it beats the H*** out of what ever is 2nd best", said one "patriot". As I remember, John Adams would not even speak to Jefferson until they we near the end of their lives (died within hours of each other) over political views. I think we all have much to agree upon and few things that we don't, and many of those we can "agree to disagree". One thing I think we can all agree on is the honor, particularly on this day, goes to our Men and Women in the Armed Forces who stand ready to sacrifice their all for our freedoms and our country! Here's too our all our Veterans and Service personnel who serve this "great country"!  Happy 4th of July! Regards, Jager

[Sitting Duck]

It looks like another four years of tunnel vision.  Sigh.  Maybe you "lesser of two evil" types will get hit by the reality train sometime between now and 2012.

Perhaps an Obama election will make things so God awful bad that even the herd voters will have to sit up and take notice.  Maybe, just maybe, we will actually start looking at what candidates stand for and what their vision is for this country.  A vision that somewhat mirrors your own.   

For those of you that would have me vote for a twenty plus year Senator that has done very little (his service record aside) but add to the woes of this country, I'm sorry to say I cannot.  If this, in your opinion, is a vote for Obama so be it.  I will not be voting for Obama and my conscience is clear.

I would've voted for Ron Paul if he hadn't withdrawn this month.  I must now throw my support behind the candidate whose views most resemble mine.  Not yours.

If I have offended anyone with my comments, I will not apologize.  This country is on the verge of not being a Republic in the very near future.  And we cannot continue voting as usual.  In the past, everything got better if we just waited long enough.  Those days are gone.  Along with inexpensive fuel, affordable health care, our manufacturing base, an affordable government, etc.

The millionaire or well-to-do clowns in Washington D.C. are out of touch with the people because they aren't remotely like us and aren't affected by the above to a like degree.  We can't continue to vote their ilk into office.  Sadly, that is exactly what we do every time we vote the party line.  Election after election.

You vote your way and I'll vote mine.  And may God have pity on this Republic.

 

[ironglow]

  Yup! Sitting Duck...
    "May God have pity on the republic"..because by voting for Obama in absentia..you sure don't !

[Guy Pike]

I will this year go against my true Libertarian ideals and vote. I'm writing in NH state rep David Babson. Not since Teddy Roosevelt have I even read of such a man. {And obviously I've only read about Teddy Roosevelt} Will my vote mean nothing? Of course, just like everyone elses! Torpedoman: you see it just like a MK 48 up a Russkies ass! Not since I left the service of my country have I been able able to trust a man until Babson. He does what he says and can't lie. It has held him back all his life to date but he will get my vote. Why don't we focus on taking care of our veterans past and present and tell the filthy rich to kiss our dirty asses? Sorry, I've allowed the present situation to irritate me! Guy

[hardertr]

forgot to add  that this poll is questioning the bitter people who cling to guns and religion and we still have 3 people stupid enough to vote for obama.

You enjoying that freedom of speech I am over in Iraq busting my ass to make sure you have?  That IS what our president has me over here doing, right.... protecting you folks back in the States from the terrible world outside your borders??

I will NOT vote for McCain simply because he is more "pro Second Amendment" than Obama.  It is ridiculous to think ANY person would vote based solely on a candidates stance on a SINGLE ISSUE.  Another reason I will not vote for McCain is because he will have us neck deep in a new war that we have no reason being in.

Must be nice to only have the worry about a Second Amendment repeal while you sit around in your cozy little home calling folks "stupid" because they hope for a better future for ALL of America.

Granted, Obama will negatively affect the rights of gun owners….but McCain will destroy the military, and the (already questionable) image of Americans around the world.



(edit - ) Forgot to add.....i DO own guns and LOVE to hunt and shoot.  When the time comes, I WILL ALSO keep those guns, or end up serving time with the rest of you.

[powderman]

Mccain 46, obama 8. Sad. POWDERMAN. 

[Cabin4]

All 3rd party votes will go against Mccan, and aid obama.

What about those votes that go third party instead of voting for Obama?

No body who is willing to vote for Obama is going to vote for Barr!! Barr can only syphon McCain votes. Nader can only syphon Obama votes.

How can you rationalize that opinion?

The Iraq war is one of the biggest issues this election.

Both Barr and Obama are much more in favor of shutting that mess down than McCain.

I'm quite certain that there will be many voters who will be choosing between Barr and Obama on that issue alone,.. and those voters won't be giving any thought at all to voting for McCain.

Personally, I wouldn't vote for McCain if he was the only candidate running.

He's stabbed conservatives in the back on many occasions while serving as a Republican.

After McCain/Feingold and McCain/Lieberman, I wouldn't vote for McCain for dog catcher.

To boil it down, if McCain is the best the Republican party can muster these days, it's time for them to move on out of the way and let another political party step forward to represent Conservatives in America.

McCain just doesn't make the grade for me.

Very easy, thats how:

Bob Barr is a Conservative more then he is a republican. Just becasue he stabbed the republicans in the back will not make him attractive to Liberals. Barr is for gun rights, Obama is not. Omaba is for same sex marriage, Barr is not. Barr is for securing our boarders, Obama is not. Barr is for deporting illegals, Obama is not. Barr is for low taxes, Obama is for high taxes. Obama is for the death tax, Barr is not. Obama wants to reform welfare back to the pre-Clinton days, Barr is not. Barr is for domestic oil drilling , Obama is not. These are just examles of the deep contrast between these two so its significantly easy to rationalize thier differances and easily understand that no Liberal is going to vote for Barr. Only conservatives will and those conservatives are likly to vote for McCain if Barr is not on the ballet.

Just becasue both Barr and Obama want us out of Iraq does not make Barr some how now a Liberal. Ron Paul wanted us out of Iraq and I never heard any talk of him taking votes away from any Liberal.

[Fazak]

All 3rd party votes will go against Mccan, and aid obama.

What about those votes that go third party instead of voting for Obama?

No body who is willing to vote for Obama is going to vote for Barr!! Barr can only syphon McCain votes. Nader can only syphon Obama votes.

How can you rationalize that opinion?

The Iraq war is one of the biggest issues this election.

Both Barr and Obama are much more in favor of shutting that mess down than McCain.

I'm quite certain that there will be many voters who will be choosing between Barr and Obama on that issue alone,.. and those voters won't be giving any thought at all to voting for McCain.

Personally, I wouldn't vote for McCain if he was the only candidate running.

He's stabbed conservatives in the back on many occasions while serving as a Republican.

After McCain/Feingold and McCain/Lieberman, I wouldn't vote for McCain for dog catcher.

To boil it down, if McCain is the best the Republican party can muster these days, it's time for them to move on out of the way and let another political party step forward to represent Conservatives in America.

McCain just doesn't make the grade for me.

 Ron Paul wanted us out of Iraq and I never heard any talk of him taking votes away from any Liberal.

I can guarentee you that very few Ron Paul supporters will be voting for McCain.

[Cabin4]

All 3rd party votes will go against Mccan, and aid obama.

What about those votes that go third party instead of voting for Obama?

No body who is willing to vote for Obama is going to vote for Barr!! Barr can only syphon McCain votes. Nader can only syphon Obama votes.

How can you rationalize that opinion?

The Iraq war is one of the biggest issues this election.

Both Barr and Obama are much more in favor of shutting that mess down than McCain.

I'm quite certain that there will be many voters who will be choosing between Barr and Obama on that issue alone,.. and those voters won't be giving any thought at all to voting for McCain.

Personally, I wouldn't vote for McCain if he was the only candidate running.

He's stabbed conservatives in the back on many occasions while serving as a Republican.

After McCain/Feingold and McCain/Lieberman, I wouldn't vote for McCain for dog catcher.

To boil it down, if McCain is the best the Republican party can muster these days, it's time for them to move on out of the way and let another political party step forward to represent Conservatives in America.

McCain just doesn't make the grade for me.

 Ron Paul wanted us out of Iraq and I never heard any talk of him taking votes away from any Liberal.

I can guarentee you that very few Ron Paul supporters will be voting for McCain.

And I can guarentee you that the overwhelming and significant majority of any former Ron Paul supporter that does go to the poll to vote will vote for McCain or Barr. I agree that many Ron Paul supporters may not vote, but if they do they are not voting for Obama. If they do vote for Obama, they are either idiots, have no idea what the issues are or are just dam confused.

[billy_56081]

Thanks for your service Hardertr.

  I myself served during the first Gulf war. I understand that you are concerned with the war as we all are. I myself am not a one issue voter but the second ammendment is one of my issues that I do vote on. I will not vote for Barrak Hussien Obama, and in fact will do whatever it takes to keep this scourge from becoming President. I am for pulling out of Iraq only after we have won the war on terror. The military was decimated by first the Bush 1 presidency, and then even more buy Slick Willy. They decided to cut down the full time forces and to enlarge the National Guard and reserves. When we pulled out of Somalia it emboldened the Islamists and if we surrender Iraq and Afghanastan to these vicious animals it will only embolden them more.


  I will vote for the person that has the best chance of defeating Barrak Hussien Obama. I would even think about voting for Bob Barr if he actually had a chance, or being I live in the peoples republic of Minnesota I may vote as a protest against Mc Cain for Bob Barr if and it is looking like it at this time that Mc Cain has no chance of winning Minnesota.  I will vote against the local liberal Republican candidiate or write my own name in. My neighbor is running for the Minnesota state house as a pro abortion candidate I will not vote for him because of his stance and have told him so personally and have informed many conservatives in the area of his stance.

  I think some of the Barr voters in state where the vote is close need to reconsider. While Mc Cain is too liberal for my taste, I have never voted for a candidate in my life that I actually liked (well actually I have voted for my brother who I like twice for sheriff), but I have voted against the worst candidate. Like it or not you will never get a perfect candidate. The best people in this country would not want that job.


  And for anyone even with a slight conservative bend in you soul, If you  vote for Barrak Hussien Obama you are completly lost. There has never been a candidate in our history as anti conservative or dangerous as this wolf in sheeps clothing. He will sell out America to the Islamists in a heart beat. Obama will disarm America both in thier homes and militarily. He will pactk the supreme courts with young liberal activist that will force the filthy yoke of liberalism on America foe decades. Now we hear Barrak Hussien Obama speaking on faith based initiatives, now to you conservative that like the sound of this, which faith will it be? I'm thinking we will have Sharia courts and law as part of his "faith based" initiatives. It is allready happening in Europe, it won't be long till it starts here.

  Anyone who thinks tis Islamist problem is just a bunch of misguided poor people or criminal acts is sadly mistaken. Islam in it's nature is a religion that is intended to yoke the entire world. It was a way that a violent phsycopath named Mohammed controlled his subjects. its is a cancer on freedom and will not stop until it is either eliminated or has spread its all controlling web over the whole wrorld.