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Re: Flash..on Fox News this morning..
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2008, 04:27:40 PM »
BILLY. I see you figured out the meaning of tm. According to the p[aper today the Godless one that drove the dozer and tm have something else in common. The killer had a Jewish girlfriend for aboutt 5 years, she had his baby, tm claims to have a Jewish wife, he says so, but I don't believe it cause he is still alive. POWDERMAN.  :D :D :D :D :P :P
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Re: Flash..on Fox News this morning..
« Reply #31 on: July 05, 2008, 06:48:02 PM »
No matter what the propaganda you spew it is still Muslim=bad, America=good.

And that, my friend, is why you are a truly blind, pitiful soul.  You live in a bi-polar world, and it is good luck that you've never been forced to see the world in shades of gray as it truly is.  I think the shock would kill you.

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« Reply #32 on: July 06, 2008, 01:26:37 AM »
 Kev;

   "The world in shades of gray as it truly is"  Whew !
    Perhaps you would like to rephrase that statement ! I am well aware that there is a current thought process becoming accepted in this world that says in effect,
    that everything in this world is in "shades of gray".
 
    That is a dangerous philosophy which historically, has led to all types of excess and cruelty. Yes, there are "gray areas" in this world..(e.g. Ford/Chevy, blonde/brunette,
  JohnDeere/Farmall, North/South etc.)  There are even some in governmental order (e.g. Capitalism/Communism) but a rational person can usually figure which is better
  by viewing what the final result is toward freedom for the individual.
   I submit that there exist many "black & white" areas for which you seem to hold such distain. Consider the lead in for THIS VERY THREAD. There are several things
   that come to mind that I believe, beg an answer that rises above the "gray morass" that some would have us to accept ! A couple examples:

  1) A twelve year old girl is kidnapped, raped and killed. ......Is that right , or is it wrong ?

  2) It APPEARS that 2 women were (sisters) were bringing pedophiles into their homes to live among their children.
               ....If such is true...Is that right or is it wrong ?

  3) Two "men" (I use that term loosely) and perhaps more; have combined their "wits" to form a scheme whereby they can capture, abuse and possibly kill
     adolescent children.   Is that right or is it wrong ?

    Surely a man can answer whether those actions are right or wrong...without any "gray area" debate !!!

    The problem with "gray area" thinking is that if one adopts this philosophy whole heartedly, they soon lose their powers of inductive and deductive reasoning.
   To start with, they may have a problem with deciding somewhat mundane questions, such as:

  A) Is widespread use of alcohol good for society ?

 B) Are songs such as "Highway to Hell" and "Amazing Grace" equally edifying to the human soul ?

 C) Should I teach my children to avoid smoking cigarettes ?

 D) Historically, has the acceptance of homosexuality as equal to normal relations, been good or bad for cultures ?

           Carried to an extreme, they really" lose it " ! Soon they cannot differentiate between Mother Theresa and Alister Crowley, Mahatma Ghandi and Che Guverra,
  George Bush and Saddam Hussein. Some devotees of the "gray area" thinking (or non-thinking) process, cannot firmly conclude the differences between Adolph Hitler
  and Generals Eisenhower, Bradley and Patton.
   
       In the 1930s, Germany had an over supply of "gray area" thinkers... ;)
       
       Left to erode the critical thinking process..such a mind lapses into the trap of "moral equivalence"; where they see the efforts of the "coalition of the willing"
  trying to bring millions of Iraqis ouit of slavery..is the moral equivalent of the Al Queda's efforts to bring those same people INTO even greater slavery !
       Some "Americans" afflicted with this syndrome even see our brave soldiers and Marines as the "moral equivalent" to the terrorists..these people have lost their
  ability to see the difference between emancipating and enslaving !
       They may even equivocate the drug smuggler with the honest border patrolman..

    In the extreme, "gray area" thinking ( or non-thinking) makes a person accept all kinds of evil and wrongs as equivalent to any kind of good and noble actions.
  Such people are the ones most easily led by the likes of a Stalins, George Rockwells, the mullahs or Che Guverras of this world. Very easy to say "all is gray", no need
  then to trouble oneself with really cutting to the quick to analyze a question.

    I am not accusing anybody here of such "gray area" thinking. In fact, there is no need of such; if a person is a gray thinker..their posts will soon either confirm or
  deny such a suggestion. 
       Realistically, some folks just think they are too smart..for their own good.. ;D
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« Reply #33 on: July 06, 2008, 01:55:23 AM »
  Guys;

       I should like you to take TM's invitation to visit a site where he apparently draws some of his intellectual sustenance from. It is the one he cited above;

                     www.voltairenet.org/

   When you do, go beyond the single article he has pointed out..just to see what he feeds upon. You may want to click on the little English language icon
   at the top left to get the English versions.
   Just go to the left column and click on their "book store". This will lead you to what the site is all about and what type of minds habituate their world !

     What a conglomeration of conspiracy theorists and "hate America" kooks !  Just do a search for info on the authors of their recommended books !

   One of their luminaries, Francis A. Boyle   is a legal adviser to the Palestinian Liberation organization (PLO) and a close friend of Mommar Khadaffe , Libyan
  dictator....More 9/11 and holocaust deniers than one can "shake a stick at "!  ;) :D

   The site is so full of Arab/Muslim propaganda..and seems to concentrate on the Arabic world so greatly, it makes one suspect the the site owners may well be
     operatives for same..(note the spelling of many words) Reading the so-called "news articles" the bias is so evident, only an "already prepared" mind could accept them.
  IMHO..anyone that reads this blog with serious intent, would soon become a "stark raver"... :P

     ...But you need not take my word for it..just go ahead, visit the site...and prepare for a laugh..
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Re: Flash..on Fox News this morning..
« Reply #34 on: July 06, 2008, 05:01:55 AM »
Without sinking into the quagmire of verbosity from you know who and you know who ( ;) ), I agree with Kev.  Seldom in this world can situations be defined in black and white; but rather, shades of grey. Rarely yes or no but more or less. With careful editing, examples of one can be found to prove most contentions. Especially when one doesn't have all or even any of the facts and is dealing with rumours and hearsay.
 Too often folks will take as absolute truth a sensationalized babblespeak report from a talking head that is nothing more than a blatant attempt to pander ratings and rush headlong into the night with a wooden stake and a flaming torch in a modern day witch hunt.  I'm sure the denizens of Ole Salem would be proud of them. :D

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« Reply #35 on: July 06, 2008, 06:17:09 AM »
I'm glad the world is so simple to me, Black and White, or a better way to put it Good and Evil. I do happen to have a college degree, and also served in the United State army in the first gulf war. I think I have seen enough of the world in my 41 years that I can discern Good from Evil.

I can also see through the hate America/ christian propaganda like our friend TrueMuslim7 spews here. He woulda made Joseph Gerbils proud.
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« Reply #36 on: July 06, 2008, 06:19:34 AM »
Ironglow, you're citing examples of easily analyzed situations, and then implying that my sort of thinking (critical thinking) lead to the holocaust and so-on.  What you are overlooking are situations such as the one that is the subject of this thread, in which nobody was right.

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The problem with "gray area" thinking is that if one adopts this philosophy whole heartedly, they soon lose their powers of inductive and deductive reasoning.
This statement is one I reject in it's whole.  The "gray area" way of thinking IS reasoning.  By admitting that there are "gray areas" you acknowledge that rape and murder are far more heinous offenses than cheating on your taxes.  Both are crimes, but they are hardly equal in nature.

My ability to see that both the Israelis and the Palestinians are in the wrong doesn't mean that I have difficulty telling that pedophiles, rapists, and murderers are unworthy of life.

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« Reply #37 on: July 06, 2008, 01:14:24 PM »
 Kev;
  Just pointing out that there are "black & white" areas as well as gray areas. 
   Surely, if one accepts that everything is swamped in a "gray area", then how are they to sort their way out of a continum of one "gray area" after another ?
 
       Though we may disagree, some of the most gray area devotees are often the first ones to attenpt to tell others they are wrong. If everything is "gray", how can
  they even presume to judge anything..standing upon a pile of gray.To me, this "gray area" technique is simply a way of softening up gullible minds, so the "gray area guru"
   can fill the empty spaces..the "gray areas'..if you will !
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« Reply #38 on: July 06, 2008, 04:31:04 PM »
I see what you're saying.  I do accept that some things are black and white.  Just not all things.

A man who beats his infant son to death because he won't quit crying is an evil scumbag who deserves summary execution by lynch mob.  That's black and white.

A Palestinian who shoots the Israeli who just bulldozed his house, however, falls into one of those gray areas.  That's a difficult situation to sort out, which is why I would like it if we would just keep our big noses out of that situation altogether.

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« Reply #39 on: July 07, 2008, 03:46:19 AM »
Yup! Especially when the people giving you the "information" have their own agenda.

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« Reply #40 on: July 07, 2008, 11:45:29 AM »
 That I can agree with..some gray, some black & white..
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« Reply #41 on: July 07, 2008, 02:02:03 PM »
YERK OFF! That is truly funny TrueMuslim7. You have truly captured Minnesota speak there.   ;D
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« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2008, 04:31:43 PM »
true muslim. If anybody should go to iraq, it's you. You'd be right at home with your muzzie buds. Ya might even be lucky enough to see them cut a head off, or blow up a daycare center. That oughta get ya to slobbering with anticipation.  POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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« Reply #43 on: July 11, 2008, 01:30:43 PM »
A question for TM7 ,
What should the people of Israel do about the Palestinians ?
The Palestinians lost their living space to the British if I remember correctly.
The Brits. turned it over to the Jews.
Look up some history about what Native American Tribe lived on the land where
your house sits. Would you just up and give it to a member of that tribe if asked to?
I am of both Cherokee and Apache heritage, and would love to own the land of my fore-fathers !
Is it gonna' happen???.............Nope! 
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« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2008, 05:05:58 PM »
  Yep SS;
  And my direct ancestor, along with about 5 others ..owned much of RI..including most of the land around Narragansett Bay ! Guess the good folks
  in Rhode Island are just waiting for the other shoe to drop..when I show up demanding about 1/5th of the property thereabouts !

   ..But I figure, what's the use..if I do get it back, you'll send one of your cousins up to claim it away from me ! :D ;D ;)

   

        y only advice for the Palestinians and the rest of the Muslim provocateurs:
     
       " If you set out to "kick butt" on the Jews, first, make sure you can accomplish what you aim to do !"
  That's how you lost the West Bank, Golan Heights, Gaza strip and the Sinai Peninsula.
 Let's face it; theonly way you got the Sinai and the Gaza strip back, was to whine and cry to the UN or anyone else silly enough to listen !
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« Reply #45 on: July 12, 2008, 06:05:38 AM »
The j ews didn't start the fights.They were attacked and always vastly outnumbered and outgunned. Historically most nations don't give back land that they have won in a fight, only since the good old UN has this been happening. Maybe if it hurt to loose a war the muslems would n't start so many

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« Reply #46 on: July 12, 2008, 07:19:28 AM »
So when the Israelites wandered into the present Holy Land, nobody lived there or did they take it from someone?? Sort of like Columbus claiming the New World for Spain?? Nevermind those Soul less, no count Injun's that were around. ::)
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« Reply #47 on: July 12, 2008, 10:07:31 AM »
You have what you can hold.  What you are willing to defend. Predators and prey. When you skin it back that's the way the real world works. Always has, always will. 
And, FWIW, those folks that would have you believe the Indians sat around hugging and kissing on one another until the white man came along and screwed things up ain't read too much history. ;)

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« Reply #48 on: July 12, 2008, 10:10:14 AM »
You have what you can hold.  What you are willing to defend. Predators and prey. When you skin it back that's the way the real world works. Always has, always will. 
I agree wholeheartedly.  That's why we should cease sending billions and billions of dollars to Israel.

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« Reply #49 on: July 12, 2008, 11:26:40 AM »
No, that's why we'd buddy-up with one tribe and not another.  cumo kuat (that word that TM7 sez everybody uses meaning what's in it for me. 'Course I don't understand why a fellow just couldn't say "what's in it for me?" ;) )

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« Reply #50 on: July 12, 2008, 11:33:56 AM »
 Darn it Tm..those "head bobbers" didn't own the World Trade Center, the Pentagon or that cornfield in Penna. and had no
   historical claim on them; ...Still, they attacked all three !
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« Reply #51 on: July 13, 2008, 02:22:43 AM »
  It would seem obvious to most that what was in it for the Islamofacists was in their view hopefully, the destruction of our economy in one, fell swoop. They DID
  take a pretty good bite out of it. They tried the same trick with the WTC in '92, but didn't succeed..seems that would offer a clue as to who finally accomplished
  the job..
   Also they hoped for a ME war to further deplete our capital; they got it, and it has hurt us ! The current administration made two critical mistakes (IMO) in the
   move against Saddam Hussein's Regime:
  1) They expected the Hussein regime to fall quickly..and it did, but they did not anticipate the heavy involvement of Iran in the conflict; the "insurgency" has
  been an Iranian sponsored and paid for war. We have been fighting Iran's money and weapons..which are carried by Islamonuts..doing Ahminadijabs bidding..

  2) They assumed that the vast bulk of Americans would be in favor of stopping the worldwide network of terrorism (don't need to list the 12,000 odd acts of terror
  by them since 9/11). The Prez, in his uncomplicated, honest and forthright manner, figured that perhaps at least 95% of Americans would want to stop the nut
  cases that attacked us..killing so many and destroying so much ! Pearl Harbor was less loss of property and lives.
   Never expected that some would use a national tragedy in an effort to turn a political advantage.

          Surely, I must admit surprise also ! I expected as many Americans would rally together to defeat such an implacable foe ! I could hardly believe the action of
  so many who prefer to excuse or even DEFEND the real murderers..and turn in a "feeding frenzy", upon our own..

    A word of wisdom..shared;
  The Bibles states it and Abraham Lincoln reiterated it..          "A HOUSE DIVIDED CANNOT STAND !"
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« Reply #52 on: July 13, 2008, 07:14:56 AM »
First off, this "to the victor goes the spoils" is not a myth. Too much written history and archaeological evidence to call it a myth. Even for someone stretching sooooo hard to discredit America by any means possible. You speak of a sense of fair play and humanity. A Christ-like motivation. Sorry TM7, that deserves a ROFLMAO.

NORAD has been discussed.

Also discussed has been the fact that the Muslim consortium that attacked America on 9/11 succeeded far beyond their wildest dreams.  Any structural engineer can tell you that and , in fact, several have. With pictures, diagrams, legends, and little pointy arrows and the whole bit.

But, TM, there will never be enough diagrams and little pointy arrows for some. There will always be those phantom shots from the distant knoll; Jack Ruby couldn't have acted alone.  I worked for 40 years for a major company.  Dealing with people.  There is a certain kind of person that is never satisfied. We called them "what iffers".  No matter what was done for them or what solution was found, they always had another "what if". 

Why did this Muslim consortium attack America instead of Israel?  I don't know but my theory is that they knew that if they had of done this to Israel, their heads would have long past been on a pike and those of any supporters of theirs.  Anyone that had given them a cup of cool water would be dancing with the virgins now.  Had they been from one country, there would not be one stone upon another.  "They would cease to exist as a people". (dang I like that phrase)  But in America, we would talk and talk and talk.  And impede and impede and impede. And demand reviews and reviews and reviews.  And studies, Ad nauseum.  And if they were caught, they would be brought to trial under our laws (of course) and a court appointed lawyer (that we pay for) would spin this thing out forever.   

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« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2008, 01:42:25 PM »


 TM7-----------------------------Are you a closet------Muslim ????????????? :-*
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« Reply #54 on: July 15, 2008, 06:57:46 AM »
TM7 went off the deep end.

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« Reply #55 on: July 15, 2008, 01:15:12 PM »


 TM7-----------------------------Are you a closet------Muslim ????????????? :-*
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Nope.....quite the opposite I'm an out front in your face American striving for a little fairplay.  What closet are you in?  Do you remember your oath?

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Beeman...NORAD has not been discussed, and the 911 Commission said they needed and should have much more info, AND that they were lied to. Is there any length you won't go to cover up and smooze over any and all blatant corruptions of spirit, facts, and truth to fit the version of your fraternity. What do they call you ...The Sandman.

IG...please do a search on Salem and WTC Bombing 1993 or 1992.  You will find that the bombing was set up by the FBI and agents using this Egyptian guy called Salem, AND that the FBI supplied the explosives, materials AND real detonators, AND plans and designs for the bombs.  The Egyptian, Salem, recorded many conversations with our agents.  The patsies were all current CIA asset types.  AND, most importantly, THESE FACTS I JUST MENTIONED WERE PRINTED IN MAINSTREAM MEDIA AND MADE NATIONAL TV NEWS REPORTS for a few days than covered over. Perhaps you have forgotten these facts, but this is the sad truth.  Had the Ryder truck been parked closer to the main core monolith the bomb might have toppled the tower,,,,a testimony to how strong the towers were built as far as the inner core structure. This is the sad truth of the 1993 bombing, not fictional nor conspiratorial...this is generally conceded as to what happened and not contested by the FBI, and is a matter of record.

NOW, WHAT DOES THIS PORTEND ABOUT 911, 2001 ?

...TM7




What if Salem was part of the terrorist group and faked the conversations, explosives, and fabricated the entire story to create internal skepticism?  Gee, isn't that happening?  What proof, independent investigation, or evidence exists that Salem's allegations are true and not falsified?  None that I know of.  It does provide a solution to the conspiracy theory though, doesn't it?  And it wouldn't be the first time anyone lied, committed perjury, and falsified evidence to hide their guilty involvement.  Oh yeh, Slick Willy did that, didn't he?   An independent and impartial investigation needs done regarding the so called Salem evidence, before spending more millions on 9/11 again.  Oh, sorry that cannot happen, due impossibility of finding impartial investigators, so we'll just have to take Salem's solemn and irrefutable word for US involvement.
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Re: Flash..on Fox News this morning..
« Reply #56 on: July 15, 2008, 03:06:23 PM »
99% of all Lawyers give the other 1% a bad name. What I find hilarious about this is they are such an arrogant bunch, that they all think they are in the 1%.

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« Reply #57 on: July 15, 2008, 04:12:28 PM »
TM7 went off the deep end.


WENT???????

HEH. What was your first clue??? POWDERMAN.
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Offline ironglow

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Re: Flash..on Fox News this morning..
« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2008, 02:53:35 AM »
 C'mon TM;
  Zawahiri tapes..by some FBI guy..?   Give up now, you're just digging yourself in deeper...
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Re: Flash..on Fox News this morning..
« Reply #59 on: July 16, 2008, 05:06:39 AM »
Yes, NORAD and their surveilence of air traffic was discussed. But, obviously, not to your satisfaction. 
And now you say the FBI BLEW UP THE WORLD TRADE CENTER??  What is the "mainstream media" you refer to?  And what were the "real explosives"?