Flash..on Fox News this morning..

[beemanbeme]

TM7, obviously you know very little or nothing about air traffic control and, yes, I know quite a bit. Not a whole lot, but quite a bit.  If as your demented mind would have it, they were to scramble everytime a commercial aircraft wondered off course or when Uncle Zeke hopped from his pasture over to Cousin Billy Bob's w/o filing a flight plan, the east coast would be more chaotic than it is.
And too, you have a commercial jet with 200 citizens on board flying along straight and true but off course. (and there is no way they could tell it was heading for the Twin Towers) and it doesn't respond to radio calls, what do you do?  Shoot it down over Manhattan? In fact, what could they have done if they had known it was going to crash into the Twin Towers?  You and your coven has had plenty of time to monday morning the hell out of this. What should have been done?  It isn't like it was a squadron of planes or a single UFO several hundred miles off shore and closing fast.  It was a commercial aircraft on a routine flight that as far as anyone knew strayed off course.  Come on, Mr Conspiracy, what should have been done?  Or is this some more of your "I get to find fault but don't have any answers"? 

BTW, did you know that there are over 6000 permanent personnel on board the USS Reagan.  That doesn't include transit personnel. That is indeed the largest but it gives you an idea of the size of one of those things.  Your "friend" must have really gotten around or been really fixated to have so much inside info on McCain.

[deltecs]

What relevance does the federal attorney for NJ have with the WTO in NEW YORK CITY.  If some relevance existed why not destroy the jurisdiction or cover up the evidence of his wrong doing in NJ instead of NYC.  No, I don't know who it was nor do I care right now.  You have a fixation that 9/11 was a cover up and conspriracy by our government.  I do not believe.  My decision was based on personal observation, subsequent evidence, and not upon conjecture or hypothesy.  Yes, I guess Zawahiri's tape could have been tampered, but I personally do not believe it and you are not going to convince me without accurate, impartial, and undeniable proof.  My supposition regarding Salem does fit the conspiracy problem as outlined by you.  The WTO fall has been documented to happen just the way it did when an aircraft hits it according to other reputatable and ethical engineers in refute of your experts.  So, there is no convincing evidence that your theory is sound or that the WTO did not collapse from aircraft damage.  As far as the Bldg #7, a piece of aircraft or the explosion shock wave could have caused it to fall.  I don't know that this is the case, but any object or severe shock wave could damage buildings in proximity.  I don't claim to know all about the WTO and 9/11, but I do not believe nor does the evidence indicate that a conspriracy existed other than the Islamic terrorists.  Enough evidence does exist that indicated them and any discrepcancies may not have discovered in the debris that would further implicate them.  Not enough evidence exists other than opinion and conjecture that indicates the truth of the conspiracy theory.  It is obvous that you have made up your mind about 9/11, non Islamic participation, a coverup by our government, and who knows what all else, subject to your interpretation of discrepancies in the official record.  I do not buy into it.  I wholeheartedly disagree with your perception of facts.

[jhm]

C-mon people some find a conspiracy in everything that happens, If I was going to try and pin everything on bush at least I would have picked a number like one instead of a 7!!!   At least I liked the Advocate!!!   JIM

[superhornet]

After a prolonged and exhaustive investigation, I have uncovered the events as they took place on 9/11.  The Muslims who were said to be involved were only innocent passengers on the aircraft.  The true culprits were employees of the current administration.  These were air marshalls assigned to each plane.  These were special air marshalls, hired off the street from homeless people, and trained a small bit. Each of these homeless people were in stage four evolutions of terminal cancer.  Each of their families would receive a $ million dollars after the deed was done.  Of course the source of the money would be unknown.  In the end they took over the aircraft and terminated the dirty deed.  Unknown to the airlines, the government had loaded each aircraft with 2000 pounds of Semtex of foreign manufacture.  This was in case the plot failed to reach fruition, and the blame could be placed on those outside the U.S.   Thusly, this accounts for all the fire, explosions, etc, etc, etc.........This is true to the best of my abilities....Of course it is only a theory, but sounds a heck of a lot more feasible than some of the bovine feces tendered by the leader of this side of the forum.....
 

[beemanbeme]

Uh Oh, TM7, Super Hornet is starting a conspiracy to undermine your conspiracy. Obviously he is a government dupe out to discredit your tinfoil-hat theories.    "egotizing" ROFLMAO

As I said, NORAD had indeed been discussed. But not to your satisfaction of course because the answers weren't the ones you wanted. ie: yeah but, what if, yeah but, what if.  Your answer to my question was too, too thin. And, of course, your call for a "bonafide investigation" means one that comes out like you want it.
 If every mil jet in N.A. had been scrambled, it would not have changed the outcome one iota. A person with half an eye and half a brain could figure that out. Assuming his time wasn't wasted doing outcome driven research trying to support his crack pot ideas and making up words. And the plane that crashed in PA was caused by the passengers trying to retake the a/c. That was documented by cell phone calls to family members.  What did your coven decide?  Even if the highjacked planes -- which you say Clinton knew about several years ago-- had a mil jet escort, what would your monday morning coven have done?  Maybe the mil jets should have flown into the buildings also? 

[superhornet]

TM7----Yes, I have the passenger listings for all the TMS aircraft involved.  But, alas, I had to sign a government form declaring that whatever my investigation turned up no Names could be mentioned..darn the bad luck....

[beemanbeme]

TM7, you try to overwhelm your doubters (those without the tinfoil hats) by painting with a very broad and vague brush: "it was common knowledge", common knowledge among whom?  Apparently not the several readers in here that disbelieve you; "it was generally accepted", ibid; "widely published in the national media", what "national media" are you talking about that no one else saw it? I'll admit that the National Enquirer and the other supermarket tabloids probably gets quite a play amongst your set, but it isn't exactly what I would call "national media"; "widely published in the foreign press". ibid, although I don't know if National Enquirer has a foreign edition or not.

You point fingers, make accusations, and find fault (without solutions) but your information is so very thin.  Ethereal as it were.  You claimed to be an absolute authority on all things Jewish having been married to a Jew for 20-25 years.  I asked you could I become a Jew?  Your reply was to read the Talmud. --kinda like if you were to ask me if you could become a Christian and me telling you to read the Bible, old and new testaments. You didn't know.  You claim to be an authority on Israel "having spent time there".  I asked you how long you had been in Israel?  And you ignored that question.  You badmouthed McCain about hotdogging with hot starts in his fighter jets as if you were standing there during run ups.  Come to find out, you didn't even know what the hell a hot start was and was quoting a "friend".  Then come to find out, the "friend" was quoting "general knowledge".  Your list goes on and on and on. And if anyone questions your sources or calls some, gasp shudder, logic into play, you try to streamroller them with a fit of spit-slinging rage and name calling.

You lard your vague accusations with made up words and now frenchified phrases in an attempt to present an aura of intellect but the word pseudo keeps popping into my mind.  And, of course, the oblique innuendos are almost as clever as Ironglows:  "any INTELLIGENT person......", "why hasn't there been a PROPER study......" , "NORMAL HEALTHY minds......" 

So now, since you and your coven are the only SANE and LOGICAL people in America amongst 300 million that realize that this is another conspiracy that includes the ENTIRE Federal government and all of its various agencies, portions of some State governments, All of Corporate America from middle management on up, most if not all of the upper brass in the US Military, all of the US media, print, TV, and radio, elements of the Canadian government, and that, even though Pres Clinton knew about this several years ago, they were all so tight mouthed, not a word slipped out prior to the event, then your coven should be smart enough to know that if you keep insisting on a FREE and OPEN investigation that ANY INTELLIGENT person would want, you're gonna disappear some dark night. So you might want to pick another conspiracy. You know, like is Elvis really dead?

FYI. Profiling is illegal.   I doubt if any of the terrorist, on check in, said "Hello, Awbugolly's the name, Highjackin's the game."   

[beemanbeme]

Wipe the spittle off your chin, and go buy another roll of Reynolds wrap. It ain't working; your routine is becoming jaded.
As I have said, it's pointless to refute your silly little plaints. You always have another "what if", "yeah but", "what if", "yeah but", so why bother. 

[superhornet]

TM7------------does this fit     "The partisan, when he is engaged in a dispute, cares nothing about the rights of the question, but is anxious only to convince his hearers of his own assertions". Should fit you like a glove....

[billy_56081]

  Well TrueMuslim7 I don't claim to be an expert on everything as you do, but I as a graduate of Air Defense Artillary school in Ft. Bliss Texas can tell your ignorant rantings about IFF (Indentify Friend Foe) is nothing but wind. IFF has ABSOLUTLY NOTHING to do with civilian aircraft. Geez can you make up garbage, you are smart enough to make up some whoppers that to someone that doesn't know about certain terms will sound true but when you say them to someone who actually knows what you are talking about they come out as complete B.S. They do not shoot down ALL aircraft that do not return a signal, they are either Identified bye thier transmission as Friendly or unknown.

TrueMuslim7 do you make up so much garbage in your mind that you actually believe it yourself? Come on man wake up out of your fantacy world!

[billy_56081]

TrueMuslim7 go tell your skinhead buddys all your B.S. You come in here and tought all your "knowledge" as fact and then when challenged you make up more B.S. Just from  reading your silly little ignorant blather about IFF tells me you are probably making up all of your other blather also. You may have you quite an education but you are the perfect exampple of what Ron White talks about. Get a clue man I'm sure I'm not the only one seeing through your little veil of mistruths.


And for your question on SOP on unidentified aircraft and IFF what part of IFF is not on civilian aircraft don't you understand? DUHHHHH!

[powderman]

HEH. I try to stay out of these absurd assertations of true muslims but it's hard to do. Seems he is still wearing out tinfoil hats. POWDERMAN. 

[powderman]

tm. You've been given facts by folks that actually know what they are talking about and they just roll off you like water on a duck. You have a certain brand of foil you are fond of, or just any ol kind will do? POWDERMAN. 

[beemanbeme]

Expert?  Hardly. I have a diverse knowledge considering my drunken background in a holler in West Virginia as opposed to the international exposure one would receive in say Vermont, but I am armed with a couple of commodities which you are sorely lacking: Logic and common sense.  Add to that "no hidden agenda" and, viola. (that's one of those kewl words that don't really mean nothing but it makes folks think you know more than you do) you can look at a situation and using what knowledge and logic you do have, see it for what it is. 
Lotsa questions. Lotsa "what ifs", "yeah buts". I don't know all the answers. Or even most of them. I could answer the ones I do know but what good would it do?  You don't read the replies. Or you ignore them.  You're too busy dreaming up another set of "what ifs".  First off, look around, THIS IS NOT PAKISTAN. And imagine that I have made all the usual remarks about if you think they're so great etc etc.........  Secondly, as I asked before, do you and your cabal suggest that the aircraft full of American civilians be shot down over Manhattan because of a malfunctioning gauge or radio?  Let's fast forward to: "Oh my God, He's gonna ram the Twin Towers!"  What are you gonna do?    Think quick now.  Logic tells you that the building is not going to collapse so you are going to lose 200 on the a/c, 100 max in the building, 200 on the ground.  If we shoot it down, 200 on the a/c, unknown how many on the ground from the crash path, falling debris, and secondary fires from flaming jet fuel.  Dang, different perspective huh, TM7. One would think you would have learnt stuff like that at the "elite military university" you keep alluding to.  When somebody asks YOU, what would you have him do, "I want him to do his job" isn't much of an answer.  I told you that the PA a/c crashed because the passengers tried to retake the a/c.  Also, in all probability, the four a/c were not being tracked by the same air controllers. Each was unaware of the others problem. There isn't any "big picture" of all of the air planes over America.  The country is divided in to zones. And as the skys get more congested, the zones get smaller.  Around the airports, you have approach control zones, etc.
I am retired now. Some of the answers about the response to threats are privileged and some (most) I just don't know. But that wouldn't make any difference, TM7. I'm sure, even as I speak, you're dreaming up another set of "what ifs".   If you would clear you mind of your intense desire to bash America at any cost and look at this thing with a rational mind, you would see it is what it is. BTW, terrorist groups, often several, in their zeal to claim responsibility for an evil act will notify the media before the fact.  If you want to look for a conspiracy, look at CNN, et al, with regards to having a mole in the various terrorist camps.  And even giving them a little aid and succor to "create" a little news so they could be first to report.
Anyway, as I've said, they'll always be a shot heard on a distant knoll, Elvis' missing xrays, Jesus in a peanut butter jar, so I'm done. I think Super Hornet has the answer. 

[ironglow]

TM;

  Although not an expert in the field, I believe a bit of common sense and logic can serve well to provide an answer.
  On 9/11, the world was operating with 9/10 mentality, the cold war had been won..the attacks by terrorists before
  9/11 had been passed off by the previous admin as not terrorism, but as a "law enforcement" problem.
   The US dfenses were just as much asleep on 9/11/01 as they were on 12/07/41...

   The cowardly attacks were as much a surprise as was Pearl Harbor. At Peal, defenses were in great dissaray for the
  first hour or so before our troops started really fighting back. Once they fully realized they were truly under attack
  and had guns unlocked, manned and ammo issued..then they got some reprisal working.
  
   Timeline for 9/11:

  A) 8:46 American flight # 11 hits WTC

  B) 9:03 United flight # 175 strikes WTC

 C) 9:37 American flight # 77 Pentagon

 D) 10:03 United flight # 93 crashes into cornfield, Shanksville, PA

   Not at all difficult to visualize a nation caught flat-footed, with thousands of aircraft in the air,
   taking an 1 hr & 7 min to sort out which of the thousands of flights in the air..just which
  ones posed a definite threat..and were SURE ENOUGH about it to shoot it down.
  Don't forget, if our Air Force and ultimately our Prez had ordered the downing of a plane full of
  innocents..both would still be getting excoriated, if not jailed..by the "disloyal opposition"..

   The F-16s may have tagged onto flight # 93 some time earlier, but were putting off shoot down
  until the last possible moment .

  Not really hard to figure out...

  Hey !..Some folks out there are STILL operating with a 9/10/01 mentality..

[USMCmailman]

  TM7------------------------The only Oath I took was to fight ALL enemies both foreign and domestic!--------I guess you would be the domestic one !   

 billy 56081----You are right on!-------TM7 is a TOTAL MUSLIM !!!!!!!!!

" not all Americans love America ! "    TM7--------GO AWAY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[billy_56081]

  I'm thinking what we all have to do from now on is take EVERYTHING TrueMuslim7 says and completly made up lies. He finally came up babbling his B.S. on the IFF on civilian aircraft. IFF is something I was personally trained on in the Army it has ABSOLUTLY NOTHING to do with civilian aircraft only military. And then he tries to make it sound like something really impressive while it is just an electronic version of challengs and password as all who server in the military will recognise from doing guard duty. Even on guard duty if the person getting challenged does not give the correct response they are not killed outright as TrueMuslim7 would have wanted to do the the hijacked aircraft on 9/11. Heck if ole TrueMuslim7 woulda been on guard duty in the Army I wonder how many friendly soldiers he woulda killed, )well with the way he spouts his hatred of America I think he'da shot guys with the correct password). I wonder how many drunken old boys or guys sneekin in from a little fun with the local fun girls would be shot under ole True Muslim7's scenario of shooting anyone that didn't respond with the correct password.

  Get some facts in what yor saying or quit spreading your made up lies.

[ironglow]

 Billy;
  I had a guy approach my post one night at about midnight . When I challenged, he either already had, or quickly developed a case of the "stutters".
   
  D'ya think I shoulda blowed him away ? 

[powderman]

Well, seems like true muslim 7 is still ignoring real life experiences from real people. Must really be tough seeing the world bassackwards like you do true muslim. POWDERMAN. 

[beemanbeme]

Once again, your agile little dance and your suggestion that someone other than you doesn't have balls and your suggestion that OTHERS covers their ignorance with name calling deserves a huge ROFLMAO. 
As I posted a looooong time ago, I think most of your problem is a result of your attention deprived childhood. Perhaps before being bundled off to some 4th rate military school in a futile attempt to straighten out your snotty little arse. (which has since metaphorphized into an "elite military university") Thus, one has to wonder if these, tedious, argumentative post are just another facet of your attention deprivation. Simply stated, a "look at me" cry for any sort of recognition, good or bad. What do you think, TM7? 
BTW, regarding your examples of one, do you remember Francis Powers?  What about the civilian airliner that was shot down over N.Korea? What do you KNOW about them? Oh, that's right. You get to ask the questions. 

[billy_56081]

  Well for once I think we have exposed TrueMuslim7's lies. His education has made him a fine propgadist, but once in awhile when you run into someone that actually knows what he is talking about, our Muzzy/Nazi's propagana is exposed for the B.S. it is.

  Ron White was right!

[beemanbeme]

Oh, come on TM7. You've made no points to prove.  That's the problem.  You've drawn an ethereal web of conjectures and suppositions without substance.  And you dump these vague accusations in someone else's lap and challenge, "okay, prove me wrong!".  And, not matter how well grounded the answers are in knowledge or common sense, they aren't right because they don't suit you.  Kinda like a vote count in Florida.  If not for the USSC, those dumb-azzed NYC Jews would still be counting votes in Dade county.
By any road, I am sick of this. And I am sick of your little temper tantrums.  So lets just say, like SuperHornet opined, you won.  Exactly what, I don't know, but I hope it makes you feel better.  Do be careful though. If this conspiracy is so intense and tightly controlled and so VAST and you're the only one that has breached it, I'd hate for them to come and get you some night and take you to Git Mo.  You see, living in a trailer, up a holler, in West Virginia, I haven't any stairs to push a slinky down so's you're my only source of entertainment. Don'tchaknow.

[powderman]

Instead of the truth setting tm free, it has actually shut him up. Surely he'll come up with a bunch more $2 words to just to say, I DON'T KNOW. POWDERMAN. 

[billy_56081]

I'm sorry that I pointed out about what TrueMuslim7's misinformation about the capabilitys of IFF, and what it is and isn't. He sure can jabber with alot of big words and make it sound like he knows about different subjects. But the fact is I do have alot of personal knowledge about the IFF system and what he was talking about was ALL WRONG.

[powderman]

BEEMAN. No matter how many times you answer stoooopid questions they will go right over true muslims head. He clearly knows nothing about the subject, but keeps right on yapping for attention, kinda like the runt of a whole litter of pups. He jes wants the big dogs attention. POWDERMAN. 

[Graybeard]

If you guys have nothing better to do and say than to call each other names and make personal attacks then shut the hell up and find something worthwhile to talk about. Applies equally to all guilty which seems to be about everyone in this thread. You guys must be mighty bored if name calling and attacks are all ya have to do for entertainment.

[BBF]

Thank you Bill