Author Topic: WSSM IN ENCORE (Read 2245 times)

WN · « **on:** July 25, 2003, 04:40:26 AM »

Is the Encore frame strong enough to handle the new WSSM. The new 243wssm has really got mt attention.

smoky · « **Reply #1 on:** July 25, 2003, 05:39:05 AM »

I am not exteremly familiar with the short magnums, but from what I have read, that is a concern. Particularly, some custom barrel makers as well as the TC custom shop, do not list any of the short magnums as a choice in their list of calibers. I will say that you may be able to achieve what you need from the ackley improved calibers, most of which are available for the encore.

Smoky

Big Gun · « **Reply #2 on:** July 25, 2003, 07:40:06 AM »

Virgin Valley lists several of the WSM cartridges (production and wildcat) as available chamberings on their web site - you might check with them on the WSSMs.

TopGun · « **Reply #3 on:** July 25, 2003, 01:24:20 PM »

Hey guys, remember, just because someone chambers X cartridge in X gun or barrel doesn't mean it's safe. :shock: I have a feeling that if it was safe, TC Custom shop would be in line to market them? :eek: Just my thoughts. Good luck!

Ronaldthe1 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 27, 2004, 10:32:02 AM »

Why would TC arms / TC Custem shop start making barrels for a Cart. they dont know if it will be a seller are not. send a few letters and see what they can do.
I would love a Encore barrel in 22 WSSM.

22hornet · « **Reply #5 on:** January 27, 2004, 10:43:46 AM »

From what I've heard is its a bolt thrust issue with the WSM family which can cause your frame to stretch. But some people have had good luck with them as long as they don't try to get bolt gun pressure out of a break action gun.

Gitzit · « **Reply #6 on:** January 28, 2004, 03:42:38 AM »

The short magnums offer NO advantages in the Encore. The greatest advantage they offer is the fact that they can be chambered in short action bolt guns, hence a lighter, faster handling bolt action. These are non issues when talking about the Encore. Especially when you factor in all the caliber choices available from the Custom Shop and others. Anything ballistically possible with the short magnums can be duplicated with existing chamberings from the Custom Shop and others without the short magnum pressure issues. Just my $.02 worth.

Ronaldthe1 · « **Reply #7 on:** January 28, 2004, 04:16:17 AM »

But what about the "me want" / "cool factor"? That is what living in the USA is all about. :toast:

HogFan · « **Reply #8 on:** January 28, 2004, 04:47:29 PM »

The message I got from T/c almost 2 years ago, was they would not chamber the WSM for the Encore due to too much metal having to be removed from the barrel, causing it to be too weak, and a possibility of it blowing up. Well that burst my bubble, because at the time, that was my reasoning for getting an Encore to buy the barrels in 270WSM and 300 WSM! Well I have my Encore in 7mm-08, and love it. I've heard of a few people getting custom WSM barrels, and couple have blown up on the owners. I wouldn't chance it.

HogFan

5Redman8 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 29, 2004, 03:48:13 AM »

I would like to see proof of a blow-up. There are still some WSM barrels floating around. The only problems I have gotten wind of were frames OVER-STRETCHED.

444encore · « **Reply #10 on:** January 29, 2004, 05:31:07 PM »

Gitzit,
Your 2 cents worth are worth more than 2 cents. Ofcourse Ronald ,it is the American way to have what you want with no other reason than "you want it" But I don't see many folks running out to get a pet rattle snake just because they can. Nor do I see many bolt guns with such size restraints on the chamber area o.d. as the Encore @.995".
There was a reason T/C built the Encore. To handle loads the Contender could not. And this doesn't cover every round on the market especially those that came out after the Encore's introduction as most short magnums have. Maybe some day T/C will come out with with an even larger frame to safely handle large diameter hi pressure chamberings. But for now it is dangerous to exceed the thresholds set by a design concept. Just ask Marlin why they developed the .450 Marlin round.

retrieverhunter · « **Reply #11 on:** February 06, 2004, 04:54:11 PM »

I have read the other posts and I have one of the Virgin Valley 300 WSM Encore barrels floating around. Dave at VV actually talked me into the cartridge and before I had received it they had changed their policy on chambering the WSM's. I found out by trying to order another barrel in 270 WSM. Steve at VV had me scared to death about my barrel but Jeff at VV called me back personally and it is not as bad as everyone is making out. My barrel is a stainless full bull and I have only shot Winchester factory ammo which is the hottest and have had no trouble. I would bet my life on this barrel/cartridge combo.
To answer the WSSM question, VV has a 243 WSSM in their inventory now.

Ebjonnes · « **Reply #12 on:** February 07, 2004, 05:10:33 AM »

I am allitle confused why Bullberry won`t chamber a Encore barrel in WSM.He gladly made me a sporter in 338/348 Win.imp., that has both alarger casehead dia. and more case capacity than the WSM.

persistentprogrammer · « **Reply #13 on:** February 07, 2004, 10:03:33 AM »

Compare the pressure between the calibers, as far as I know, that's why the short magnums are so volatile.

old4x4 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 07, 2004, 03:25:57 PM »

Ebjonnes, What kinda velocities do you get out of that barrel? I bet they're impressive!!

Ebjonnes · « **Reply #15 on:** February 08, 2004, 04:03:25 AM »

Old 4x4, I don`t have a chrono. so I cant give you exact vel. I am up to 70 gr. IMR 4350 under a 210 partition .I`m thinking this load would be about 2800fps.Absolutley no high pressure signs or action problems.

saltydog · « **Reply #16 on:** June 02, 2010, 05:58:16 AM »

I shoot the 223 WSSM in a Winchestor 70 action and have found it very accurate. The 223 WSSM is the fastest of all the 223's - beats the swift out in velocity but creates 60K plus pressure. It is unfortunate the WSSM's create so much pressure as the 25 WSSM in an Encore action would allow the reloader to seat the bullet out where it needs to be with heavier bullets due to the shorter action of the WSSM family. THis does not allow powder capacity to allow it to perform better than a 25:06 or 257 Roberts plus. The family of WSSM cartridges is pretty well headed for the ash heap of history which is unfortunate as the concept is sound but in a declining market the question of why has to be asked. It is ironic the WSM family of cartridges is doing well.

yooper77 · « **Reply #17 on:** June 02, 2010, 10:12:17 AM »

Quote from: WN on July 25, 2003, 04:40:26 AM

Is the Encore frame strong enough to handle the new WSSM. The new 243wssm has really got mt attention.

I wouldn’t even consider any WSSM in the T/C Encore since it is able to handle any length cartridge. All of the WSSM cartridge can be beaten with standard 0.473” bolt head cartridge. If I wanted a fast 6mm then I would consider a 6mm-06. Brass can be made from 25-06 Remington, 270 Winchester, or 30-06 Springfield for a lot less than the 243 WSSM and beat this velocity without trying.

yooper77

Encore28 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 02, 2010, 04:53:48 PM »

Topgun
You hit the nail on the head!!! My thoughts exactly!!!

Encore28

Jay, Tx · « **Reply #19 on:** June 06, 2010, 09:17:26 AM »

If a fast 243/6mm caliber is what you want, I'd look at some of the more "mainstream" options out there. Of course I reload, so there's no concern about obtaining ammo for any choice I'd make. The 243 or 6mm either one "ackley improved" would get you a slightly faster than normal round. These would also give the advantage of the longer brass life that the 40* shoulder provides. Or even the often opined "overbored" 6mm'06 would give you the 'turbocharged" 6mm round. These options should be readily available from any of the aftermarket barrel makers, and you'd get to use the full potential from the round itself without worries of frame stretch or any other, more dangerous, problems that might or might not arise. And, any of the options above would still have the "cool" factor some look for. I'm a "different" kind of guy when it comes to calibers, so I understand the will to be weird.