Need Help IDing This Mod.700

[TXSPIKE]

I recently purchased this Mod. 700 from an individual.He said it was a Sendero,but there is no markings showing it is a Sendero.It was made in 9-1998 according to the barrel date code.It has a laminated factory wood stock,26"heavy bull barrel,factory bedded action,in a 7mm STW.Everything on this rifle is factory.It is the only on like it I've ever seen and was thinking it could have come from the Remington Custom Shop because it looks like the kind of rifles they produce,it has a CS after the barrel date code and it shoots really tight groups.Anybody know anything about these rifles?

[sniperVLS]

Could be a VLS, but the checkering on the stock isn't typical and it's missing the wider fore-end that is typical with the varmint models as well. It's not a Sendero, there have been 3 different models and none had blued barrels and all had H-S precision stocks.

Regardless of what it is, it sounds like a keeper

[TXSPIKE]

Definately not a varmint rifle,it's a 7mm STW.From what I could find out,Remington only made 7mm STW rifles for about five or six years starting I think in 1997,after that they are Remington Custom Shop only.This one was made in 1998.I haven't been able to get any responce from Remington.I've tried to email them for nearly a month.May have to call them so I can send pictures to someone personally.Whatever it turns out to be it must of had very limited production.Awesome rifle though,weighs 11lbs. with the 3x9x50 Ziess Conquest.

[sniperVLS]

Did you go thru the online Help Center at Remmys website? They usually get back to me within 48 hours and replies have always been detailed and helpful.

If you haven't, make an account and "Ask a Question" and if they reply, you'll find it in "My Stuff".

http://remington.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/remington.cfg/php/enduser/std_alp.php?p_sid=QTdSE_7j

*The VLS had an odd caliber or 2 as the years went by, that's why I mentioned it. Calibers that weren't your ordinary varmint round.

[Graybeard]

It's an LS not a VLS as it's not a varmint rifle. The stock looks much like one from an LSS Mtn. Rifle and might be really. Most of the LS rifles did not come with a fore end cap as the one pictured has but rather ended with an angle cut and no cap.

The only ones I've seen first hand or seen in photos before with the cap have been the LSS Mtn. Rifles which I've owned many of. If it came that way for sure then I have no clue other than the LS designation what it might have been called but it very well might have had the stock from one switched. However they have a thinner barrel than a magnum contour so would have needed to be opened. The regular LS rifles have magnum contour barrels or mine do and did come in both standard and magnum chamberings. I've just never seen one with the black fore end cap before.

[sniperVLS]

The regular LS rifles have magnum contour barrels or mine do and did come in both standard and magnum chamberings.

The barrel looked thicker, more akin to a varmint contour than a magnum contour hence why I assumed it was an odd ball VLS with a different stock. Seems I assumed incorrectly once again 

[TXSPIKE]

The barrel measures .825" at the muzzle and it is factory right down to the recoil pad.

[sniperVLS]

The barrel measures .825" at the muzzle and it is factory right down to the recoil pad.

That is most definitely a Varmint contour barrel, as far as I know the magnum contours are not that big a diameter.

Hmmmmmm

[Graybeard]

Yeah that's heavier than a magnum contour for sure and is more like the Sendero/Varmint contour. Dunno they both usually have a wider target type fore end on them. I've owned a VLS or two tho that did not have the wider flatter target type fore ends years ago and as I recall they had a stock much like the one shown.

It's likely a limited edition of some sort perhaps made for one of the companies that buy those limited editions from Remington regularly. My guess is still tho that it carried the LS designation but it might have had a VLS but with that chambering I doubt the V was applied. I suppose it could have carried the Sendero name.

Do you have the box for it or not? If so what does it say on the box can you give us a photo of it if you have it? I suspect you don't have the box tho as if you did it would have a lot of info that you've not given so am assuming the box is missing.

[TXSPIKE]

I found this link about the same type of rifle.Mine does not have Sendero stamped on it.http://www.archerytalk.com/vb/showthread.php?t=264211

[sniperVLS]

Wow so it is a Sendero, with a blued barrel and the stock is a wood one from H-S, there's something you don't see every day! The last post in that thread is the eye opener 

I was about to say that NO Sendero had a blued barrel or a wood stock but here at GB ya learn something, well a few new things every day 

Thanks for the update.

*I'm not the only loon that thought it might be an odd ball VLS, others in that thread did as well 

[nomosendero]

Anyone want to make bets on this discussion?  I say they did make Senderos this way & my camera is close by.

How about it, I need some more money for a new scope!! 

[sniperVLS]

Anyone want to make bets on this discussion?  I say they did make Senderos this way & my camera is close by.

How about it, I need some more money for a new scope!! 

A little late, we already found out it's a sendero, and hey...I thought you had nomo of them! 

Take a pic anyways, you know I love them!!

If anyone wants to sell theirs, umm Please let me know!!!

[TXSPIKE]

Don't all Sendero rifles have Sendero stamped on it?Mine does not have Sendero stamped on it.Maybe they forgot.

[sniperVLS]

The ones I've seen were not stamped 

[nomosendero]

This one is stamped.


This was the first Sendero I bought & it's a keeper!!



As you can see it is a shooter. I just found out my calipers are dead, but the group I cut out of the target is a 500 yard group, it is about 1.25" . As you can see the 300 yd. is .85", these were shot the same afternoon at a hunting club range near Hardy, AR. I was invited to shoot at their range & after these groups they acted funny & they never invited me back. I acted normal, but this is not everyday groups for me, but that day it all clicked!!!


The Senderos are special.

[sniperVLS]

Goodness gracious I want one of those so bad now, thanks a lot fellas 

They acted funny because you and your Sendero out shot them and their rifles that cost 3 or 4 times as much 

Awesome shooting, awesome rifle!!

[TXSPIKE]

nomosendero ,
Did you have to order it with that stock?Was it extra?What year is yours?What was the retail cost?Just curious,looks like we own couple of very rare models and I'd like to know more about them.Wonder how much they would be worth to somebody who really wants one really,really bad.I plan on keeping mine for a long,long time,at least till I die.She is not for sale or trade.The first time I shot it with Winchester factory loads,she printed a 1/2"group.I reloaded five different loads of H-1000,three of each load using some old 150gr. Nosler BT bullets @ 80,81,82,83,84grs.They all shot the same!I could feel a slight increase in recoil as I worked my way up,but they all imprinted the five different targets with around 1/2"groups in the same area of the target,with several hitting in the same hole.Wow!That was easy,flip a coin.In the hands of a better shooter,I think she's quite capable of shooting a one ragged hole group,which I think I may get someday.I was also impressed how solid she was at the bench.The recoil is all straight back,that heavy barrel really keeps the muzzle down and was quite pleasant to shoot.Kudos to Remington,they built a fine rifle.

[nomosendero]

Thanks sniper, I have been known to sell about anything, but not this rifle!!

Tx, I bought mine in 95-96 if I remember correctly the winter of 95-96. It is my understanding that these were a limited run & I have seen a few others. I bought this one when I lived in NW AR. I walked into the WM Supercenter in Bentonville & there it was. It was $550.00. A WM Exceutive (retired from that position) was running the sporting goods of that store & he liked guns alot & would look for limited runs. He said he had received 2 of these & the first was bought by a guy headed for Alaska. It pays to drop in stores for a few minutes to see what's up.    Sadly, these type folks & the upper man. at WM is going the Lib. route now. 

A friend of mine had a 7STW version. He got in a bind and sold it, I was in a cash crunch at that time too, but I can't believe now that I did not figure out a way to buy it. 

[TXSPIKE]

Just got off the phone with Remington.The historical guys said they show they were only made in 1997 as a limited special run sent to a large gun distributer.He confirmed mine was a Sendero made in 9-1998 and felt like they may of had a carryover of production into 98.I sent him the pictures I had and he would try to gather up more info.Thanks guys.

[sniperVLS]

I drool every time I look at the pics you both posted 

[TXSPIKE]

This is what I received in the email from Remington today on this rifle.  "The CS in this case would be the tool mark of the final assembler or inspector. Symbols are typically used, but letters are used as well. The gun itself was a special run that was done for Sports South. It is a Sendero barreled action in a VLS stock. "    So now we know,the rest of the story.

[sniperVLS]

I'm not in the mood to argue so I won't bother with "But it's not a VLS stock"

I'll let someone else do that 

Bill? anyone?

If noone responds I'll argue it tomorrow 

[nomosendero]

Just got off the phone with Remington.The historical guys said they show they were only made in 1997 as a limited special run sent to a large gun distributer.He confirmed mine was a Sendero made in 9-1998 and felt like they may of had a carryover of production into 98.I sent him the pictures I had and he would try to gather up more info.Thanks guys.

I moved to Pocahontas AR in the summer of 97 & I bought the gun the winter before I moved, so it would appear they may have started making the guns a few months earlier, as I said I am pretty sure that I bought it in 95-96, according to them it must have been the next winter, but definitely several months before I moved. I wonder how accurate they are since they for sure blew it on the stock they claim to use.

[nomosendero]

I'm not in the mood to argue so I won't bother with "But it's not a VLS stock"

I'll let someone else do that 

Bill? anyone?

If noone responds I'll argue it tomorrow 

You are correct, it is NOT a VLS stock!! If you look at mine, there is no swell at the forearm as the VLS has & then it has checkering & black pistol grip cap & forearm tip & the VLS does not have those. No, the stock is very different indeed, their info is a little off on the time of intro & way off on the stock! I would say at least the Sports South part is the one thing they got right if I had to guess. 

[TXSPIKE]

 Nomo,I wonder what they would tell you about your rifle.Maybe you should call them and find out.

[TXSPIKE]

Nomo,check your barrel date code on the left side of the barrel next to the receiver.Remington Owners,

Remington Year of Manufacture Codes maybe found on the barrel of your Remington rifle [or shotgun] on the left side, just forward of the receiver; the first letter of the Code is the month of manufacture, followed by one or two letters which are the year of manufacture. For shotguns with removeable barrels, the code will be valid for the manufacture of the barrel; maybe for the receiver, as barrels do get switched around.

According to the "Blue Book of Gun Values", the coding continues as follows:

Month Codes: [first letter]
B - L - A - C - K - P - O - W - D - E - R - X
1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 11 - 12

Year:______Code: [second (and third*) letters]
1930_______ Y
1931_______ Z
1932_______ A
1933_______ B
1934_______ C
1935_______ D
1936_______ E
1937_______ F
1938_______ G
1939_______ H

1940_______ J
1941_______ K
1942_______ L
1943_______ MMZ
1944_______ NN
1945_______ PP
1946_______ RR
1947_______ SS
1948_______ TT
1949_______ UU

1950_______ WW
1951_______ XX
1952_______ YY
1953_______ ZZ
1954_______ A
1955_______ B
1956_______ C
1957_______ D
1958_______ E
1959_______ F

1960_______ G
1961_______ H
1962_______ J
1963_______ K
1964_______ L
1965_______ M
1966_______ N
1967_______ P
1968_______ R
1969_______ S

1970_______ T
1971_______ U
1972_______ W
1973_______ X
1974_______ Y
1975_______ Z
1976_______ I
1977_______ O
1978_______ Q
1979_______ V

1980_______ A
1981_______ B
1982_______ C
1983_______ D
1984_______ E
1985_______ F
1986_______ G
1987_______ H
1988_______ I
1989_______ J

1990_______ K
1991_______ L
1992_______ M
1993_______ N
1994_______ O
1995_______ P
1996_______ Q
1997_______ R
1998_______ S
1999_______ T
2000_______ U
2001_______ W
2002_______ X

[TXSPIKE]

This one's close,but it ain't no Sendero.http://www.remington.com/products/firearms/premier_dealer_exclusives/model_700_CDL.asp

[nomosendero]

PO   6-96 I guess. The only other stamp of a number is above it & to the right, A6, which doesn't fit. Like I said, I moved in 1997 & I had the rifle for many months, so that makes sense. The new Rem "experts" are a little off, but it is no biggie, I was too.

[TXSPIKE]

Nomo,yours has a unique stamp in the picture you posted showing it as a 300 Win. Mag.What all does it say?