You guys are a real hoot. Every time you run short of logic, you are ready with an ample supply of strawmen and ad hominem attacks.
Myronman
you peaceniks are a real hoot. all i hear is a bunch of excuses and sniveling. what is funny is you enlightened ones hide behind guys like me when it hits the fan because your ideas dont cut it when it comes right down to it; and you aint got the guts to do what needs to be done. but dont worry, there are plenty of americans out there that still have their guts and will pick up your slack. but what really irks me is that you sad sack service dodging peacenik know it alls are still able to vote. that is the one thing the founding fathers did wrong. if you havent served, you shouldnt be able to vote. how much crap would that solve? i would bet about all of it. flamers flame away.....
Who's a peacenik? Since when does opposition to the insane ramblings of internet heroes qualify one as a peacenik?
This is what is known as
argumentum ad hominem. You are unable to refute my logic, so you deride me instead, in hopes of changing the topic. Nice try.
Look what an attitude of appeasement and "it ain't our fight" got England in WW2. Had we not gotten involved and decided it was OUR fight, England would be speaking German as a prime language.
The difference is that Germany was a great industrial power with the largest and most modern army in the world, and was only a few hundred miles away. They were also in the habit of invading their neighbors without provocation. Iran is a third world nation on the other side of the globe, and they haven't invaded anyone.
Kev, 20million Iranians?? 13million American in NYC alone.
20 million Iraqis, most of whom share the same ethnicity as the majority in Iran. There are about 70 million Iranians. The number of people in NYC is impressive, but we're not talking about invading NYC. If we start another war in the middle east, we're going to be fighting on their turf. That's to their advantage.
You asked what would it cost for America to crank up our war machine? That's not the question. The question is would America be willing to pay the price?
Myronman, the cost is a HUGE factor. How long do you think the 20 million new draftees would hang around if their paychecks started bouncing? How are we going to maintain our already crumbling highway and rail systems while fighting a major war? Do you think that the companies involved in the mining of raw materials, manufacturing of components, and shipping of goods are going to take an IOU for their work?
Patriotic talk only goes so far. It doesn't buy many bullets and you can't pay factory workers with it.
But, back on task, nukes aside, what do you think would happen to Iran if America as a country gave her full focus on war with them? If America said, "Enough! We are sick and tired of some knee-jerk third world country with a 6th rate dispot running it hollering and strutting and rattling his spears 'cause he doesn't think we will do anything threatening us. We're sick of these "wars of containment". We want to WIN." Do you think we're not up for it? Do you think those volunteers in Afghan were dragged over there kicking and screaming against their will? And from the unconventional nature of the war, every one of our troops, from the guy that's stacking skivvies to the man on point, is in peril. Yet they believe in America.
I think you are taking a big leap in assuming that America as a country would give her full focus to such a war, especially considering the fact that Iran hasn't attacked us.
If we mustered the same resolve we brought to bear in WWII, Iran could be overrun in a matter of weeks or months. Occupation would be more troublesome, as we've found out in Iraq. Iran's military isn't (and doesn't have to be) prepared for a full-scale confrontation with the US. They've only got to sink an oil tanker or two then run and find a spider hole to hide in until it's time to start the guerrilla campaign.
That isn't the question at hand here, however, because we haven't and aren't likely to muster that kind of support for an attack on Iran.
the apologists never seem to learn. history is something they either ignore or try to twist it to support their side. and, because they ignore history and do not learn it's lessons, they are doomed to repeat it.
This is rich, coming from someone advocating starting another land war in Asia.
Kevin so if these 20,000,000 Sand trolls come at us how are they gonna come? Will they come in human wave attacks? (where we could do a fine job with carpet bombing) or are they going to come one at a time where we can just pretend they are prairie dogs?
I don't think it'll be nearly as easy as you hope.
Now Kevin tell us all about your extensive military and combat background, being you are such an expert on what will happen, you must have went to West point or one of the other acadamies. Again I feel you are toltally ignorant of the spirit of the American soldier and you are an insult to thier sacrifices they have made for your freedom.
Argumentum ad hominem; see above. A wise man once said- "Never argue with a fool, he'll drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."