Ron Paul: I hear members of Congress saying "if we could only nuke Iran"

[kevthebassman]

Did you mean oral hygiene  ? Enough said

Must be easier to use spell check than a toothbrush. I have all my pearly whites and only  a few fillings.

And we're very proud of you.  Now, getting back on topic......... 

[Dee]

Did you mean oral hygiene  ? Enough said

Must be easier to use spell check than a toothbrush. I have all my pearly whites and only  a few fillings.

And we're very proud of you.  Now, getting back on topic......... 

 

[powderman]

IRS. Good post, and true. We ARE at war. Good vs evil, islam against the entire world. Islam is a fast growing cancer and should be treated as such. POWDERMAN. 

[Swampman]

"if you havent served, you shouldnt be able to vote."

Or run for office.

[beemanbeme]

I have a very serious question.  It's kinda off subject but this thread is all over the place anyway.  Service in the Armed Forces requires you to be phyically fit.  Yet many of the jobs end up being sedentary. (ie sitting at a computer, etc) At one time, prior to WW2, it was felt that women couldn't stand the rigors of armed service, that was proven false. 
My question is why can't a fellow enlist in some sort of limited capacity.  You don't have to be 6' tall and 100% fit to enter data in a computer.  That would free up a man that was for other duties. 

[buffermop]

Regarding military service, thats the way it is in Israel. Every citizen must serve in some sort of capacity in the military.

[~Ace~]

So let me get this right 

The Constitution says we can not have a Standing Army....

But now the Sheeple say... if you don't serve in the Standing Army... you lose your other rights as Americans ? 

I'm amazed how FACTS have destroyed everything the War party here has said, so they rely on Silly Crap to try and save face... Why not Admit there is a Serious problem ? Admit that Israel is Instigating Another war to promote Their Agenda.... and we stand to lose Thousands, if not tens of thousands of our young men and women to satisfy their Lust.

Israel is Not a quaint little religious state... they are a Angry Militant Nuclear superpower

No more off topic Ignorance... Get some Facts or just think about what is being said. ~Ace~

[myronman3]

"if you havent served, you shouldnt be able to vote."

Or run for office.

amen.

[myronman3]

and if we keep putting off the problem until tommorrow, continuing to be too chicken to face reality and make the tough choices,  how many hundreds of thousands/millions of civilians are going to get wiped out?   soldiers die, and know that going in.  what is worse is being sent to some hell hole and having the public/politicians tie your hands behind your back so that you have to be there way longer than if they would just let you do your job.   
    you guys are doing exactly as our enemy hopes you will do.  you have short memories, and get distracted very,very easily.  you dont have the stomach, and they know it, and are counting on it.  i know some of you have loved ones in harms way right this minute.  but for the life of me i dont see how you can justify supporting the enemy that your loved ones are out there fighting.  if all the enemy  would see would be a resolute american public,  this would have been over a long time ago. 
but you enbolden the enemy and give them cause to hold out.    i would have disowned my family if they would have dishonored me in that fashion. 

[BBF]

TM You are hitting the bullseye with your remark about criticizing Israel, it just about automatically brands you antisemitic regardless of the critique. First thing is you are called a Nazi.

Just what is it about Israel that makes it such a valuable ally?

What sort of natural resources are they providing. ?

What military contribution comes from them?

What type of humanitarian work is done by them?

 If Israel were not to exist,(  it didn't for a long time) what sort of world wide calamity would that cause?( I am NOT calling for them to be erased )

Why do we( US) has to protect them at all costs in $$ and lives of our soldiers?

If you can justify preemptive strikes for one country, be not surprised if the others feel the same way, or protect themselves by any means for it to not happen again to them.

 for some others:Don't start on me about "serving" I have served   more then the minimum.  I was fortunate that at the time there was no Police Actions or other undeclared military escapades.

I do think the Draft is a wonderful idea for both genders. There is a lack of basic discipline in just about all of the young folks these days. Congress declares War, not the Presz or the UN.

sideline: GW Bush is not a conservative he doesn't even make a pimple on a Conservative's butt IMO

[magooch]

The U.S. military is not a social service organization and isn't meant to make whining wimps into men, or women.  The military doesn't need a whole lot of undisciplined, unprincipled drifting souls.  It needs and deserves our best and brightest and most dedicated to defend and secure us.  For the most part, that's what we have.  Let's not mess it up with a draft.

[myronman3]

i dont like the idea of a draft either.  too many worthless boneheads would be bad. 

[beemanbeme]

My point was not intended that we should make a raking of the bottom feeders and dregs that would parse the Constitution to try and disguise their cowardice but rather I am sure there are many bright, patriotic young men and women that would love to serve their country that don't measure up physically. 

Uhhh, the U.S. military may not be meant to turn whining wimps into men and women but it has been doing exactly that for a looong time.

[beemanbeme]

45-70, the same standards and logic you are applying to Israel could be used with a number of our allies.  So when do we become isolationist? 

[SHOOTALL]

so if ya didn't serve in the military you should not vote , OK , build your own bases , load your own ammo build your own ships and forget the tax money also !
Ya'll get so up tight when we rattle a saber now and then ! GEE !

[Fazak]

So when do we become isolationist? 

Today would suit me.

[SHOOTALL]

That would be nice if the EPA , OSHA , and all the other departments would let us make what we need !

[S.S.]

Israel a Scam?
That is interesting?
Ever been there?
The "ONLY" other soldier other than an American that I would want covering
my butt in a firefight would be from Israel.
Imagine your own home being on the front lines of a war for over 50 years.
the war on terror has been fought in their own backyards long before 9-11.
longer than many or most folks on this forum have been alive.
The U.S. backs them sure, and thank God they do!
Just something to think about; If any politicians really said that about "Nuke Iran",
Their wish may be closer than they think. Israel has said it will not allow Iran to
have the capability to create nukes. Iran is within a few months of having them?
Israel does not bluff..

[beemanbeme]

Tm, I am very much in agreement with you in why do we have to get involved in every fishwife bitchfest around the globe but I strongly agree with S.S.  If for no other reason than what we are faced with in our current election: picking the lesser of the two evils.  I certainly think I would rather have Israel watch my back than Iran. 

[powderman]

SS. Agreed Sir, good post.
tm. Great idea, why don't you go to iran and be a human umbrella like a bunch did before iraq was invaded??? You could report back to us how much the Godless ones supported you and loved you, if they didn't cut off your head first. We'll start a collection for your airfare. POWDERMAN. 

[billy_56081]

   I have been to Israel, and made it my business to take a close look around. It is a very discriminatory place.  The imported khazar clique running things are not ethnic semites at all...nor are they practicing the Torah. Not only are muzzies and Christians second class citizens (or goyim as they are called), but so are the ethnic semetic jews. Actually, it seems the true ethnic Jews, muzzies, Christians, Druze, Zorasterians, Gnostics, Coptics, and everybody else all got along pretty well over the centuries after Christ....Stalin must be laughing in his grave, having been instrumental in having this apex country come about and getting rid of one of his problems by creating another elsewhere.  They're an OK ally, not beyond practicing deceit, should not be considered our reason for existing as zionist and Christian zionist would want you to believe. They certainly are not above, nor have never been, above criticizism and fault.

   The Eretz Israel that PM talks about from his Bible is the greater Israel that is to spread to the Eurphrates and southward.  I can assure you that muzzies are not going to idlely sit by and let this happen just because some misinterpreted religious passages say it should;;;nor would we if Mexico all of a sudden says that they have ancient mythical rights to half the USA.

   The Israelis are good fighting men (and women), plenty ruthless, and the military industries are their main business and export. But they are not invincible as the Egytian-Israeli war indicated, for had not Uncle Sap been available that little war might of turned out much differently.  Of course they are about 4th or 5th in possesion of WMD today's world.  There are comments on this war in the link below (now declassified), actually a war by the Egyptian/muzzies to destroy and keep WMD out of the region.!!

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cpc-pubs/farr.htm

..TM7

HMMMM! Ethnic jews huh? Boy TrueMuslim7 you really have read your Nazi propaganda well.

[kevthebassman]

For pete's sake Billy, normally I wouldn't wade into these little pissing contests you two have with each other, but this forum is supposed to be for debate.  You know, someone presents a point, you present a counter-point, etc.  TM is guilty as well, but you make an art of it.

[beemanbeme]

TM7, I wisht you would clarify one thing for me.  I am getting mixed signals from you various Jew bashers.  You say a bunch of mongrol Jews has taken over Israel and there are several different "kinds" of Jews roaming around Israel and there is a not very amicable split between Israel and the American Jews.  In another thread I quoted a line I found floating around in the back of my head: "we were a religion, Hitler made us a race" and boy was I taken to school.  Absolutely wrong. Jews were a race.  One COULD NOT become a Jew. Further, to emigrate to Isreal, you had to spring direct from the loins of David, etc, etc.  
I've read about mixed marriages; Jews and Christians, Jews and Palistinians in Israel and for some reason, I've always kinda thought I could walk up to a Synagoge and knock on the door and say put me in coach, I'm ready to play and convert.
Please, in a few unembellished (you've got to consider my education ) sentences, straighten me out.  

[beemanbeme]

"read the Talmud, etc, etc" no very likely. Nor am I gonna make it a life's work. I see too much dotting tees and crossing eyes amongst the Christians to give me an inkling of what that would be like.  That why I asked you.  And came away dry, I might add. 
Once again, without the soap box of your agenda, PULEESE, could I become a Jew? I have read (with help) about a black tribe of Jews in north Africa so are there different sects or "tribes" of Jews that believe in the faith that are not of the House of David or did David do the nasty with some Nubians? ( ) Kinda like, you could pick at the difference between a Baptist and a Methodist forever but they're still basically the same. 

[billy_56081]

  Ok back to the subject of Iran. Right at this time and over the past several years, IRAN has been pumping weapons into Iraq with the express intent that they are to be used to murder American soldiers. A friend on mine's son Brent Koch was killed by an IFP supplied by IRAN. TrueMuslim7 keep your mulim loving Nazi garbage to your skinhead friends. Irael is not the enemy. The enemy is a sick cult called Islam, if you want to study your kindergarten "conspiracy" crap why don't you look into what is going on with the muslims? Only someone mentally handicapped could not comprhend that there is a huge conspiracy, by the muslims to control the world. They know that being on full alert all the time is expensive, that is why they have patience. I am sick of hearing the propaganda from the Jew haters and Muslim lovers. My friends boy lost his life because of the worlds sympathy towards Islam. In the Balkins they had it right, too bad some liberal hippy peacenics stepped in, they had a good thing going there.


And TrueMuslim7 you are  a Jew basher. Now tell Beema how and if he can become a Jew, since you know so much about it.

Well we are waiting!

[BBF]

Billy I can tell you this, he would not be welcomed into an Orthodox or Conservative synagogue

[beemanbeme]

From your answer, I assume there are several sects of Jews.  Then the question begs to be asked, how long were you in Israel? 

[billy_56081]

Depending on what assembly he may be able to convert, or revert as I would understand it. He would have to rebuke Jesus. He would always be a second class jew, a goyim convert of convenience. The Talmud tells the whole story, but seems Beeman wants instant knowledge without effort...can't help him. As for Billy, there is no hope or help whatsoever available, possiblely heavy medication and/or incarceration...he defines useful idjit...but useful can quickly change to unuseful. His bad temper and comments only lend creedence to otherwise important commentary by illustrating how the ill-informed are easily mislead and used for other people's agendi....tis a sad case actually.


..TM7

Heavy medication or incarceration? HMMMM now that sounds alot like the Nazi's did in Germany with those who didn't go along with them. And bad temper? Heck I find your writings and rantings as an everyday stress reliver, you crack me up that is why I invited u you to the BBQ. You will be the comedy entertainment.

[Graybeard]

nor would we if Mexico all of a sudden says that they have ancient mythical rights to half the USA.

Isn't that kinda what the folks in control in Washington DC are trying to do now but with the entire country not just the part once controlled by the mexican government?

[nw_hunter]

It must be a bitch to be one of the four or five only smart people surrounded by 300 million satisfied, healthy, well-feed dummies.

My God!  If you, Billy 56081, and the 300 million you refer to actually believe that, all hope is lost.  At your age (beemanbeme) you've benefited from our ten trillion dollar debt, probably social security, some type of pension, and free or low cost medical care.  These are luxuries that those that come behind us won't have because of our mismanagement of this country.  They will be paying for you after you're long gone.

Not that you haven't paid into the system.  Unless you're a freeloader, you have.  But not nearly as much as you will be taking out in your senile, old age.

So... Drink your beer and eat your steaks with Billy Bob.  Rub your stuffed bellies, pass gas, and go on thinking that everything is right with the world.  Well, your world anyways.

The ignorance of some just totally amazes me.

Ain't it truth!