Ghosts in the woods

[sunshinegirl]

I understand why you yous fall back on the bible all the time. It is a comfort spot you seek. You have to have an open mind and not let rules dictated by 3 thousand years of religious control. If you are really interested in bible study, then look to the past of when & where the bible originated from. I imagine you read the king james version, a king who wanted more power than the pope, wanted a divorce, and broke away to create his own interpretation of what it is to be a christian. You never wonder what is in the Moslem Koran, wondered where angles came from, and how the jews banned them. I imagine the earth was created 6 thousands years ago too. Ever wonder what Hydrogen has only one electron, where live formed. why the 3 wise men were astrologers who saw signs in the planets.  Wonder why heaven is up & hell down? Is the center of the planet hell? To stick one head in the sand ,and the if it isn't in the bible, then it doesn't exist. I believe in science, not mysticism. Swampman thinks, he imagines, he wonders, he says what is in his heart.

[torpedoman]

A good friend called a few weeks back and told me one of our buddies had died  i told him "lee is smarter than us now" he asked why i said that ,and i told him " He now knows the answers to all the questions we wonder about"

[JPSaxMan]

I think Swampman would disagree with you on that sunshine girl but if you say so.

I respect your opinion. However, the Bible is not just a book to me - it is the book of God, His Word, His Truth. Those who do not believe will not understand. I have an open mind, I just choose to live my life and base my principles, moral standards, and way of life off the Bible (since after all it seems to be a pretty good book to live by...if you've ever read it). Even if I'm reading the KJV, the truth is the Bible is still the Bible...the KJV and the original texts aren't that far apart. It's not like the original texts are telling me to believe in Satan and worship Mysticism. Or to believe that ghosts or spirits exist from heaven...its all the same can of worms.

Thanks for the discussion, it's always good to have clean discussion with other intelligent individuals.

[Swampman]

I believe in science, not mysticism. Swampman thinks, he imagines, he wonders, he says what is in his heart.

I believe in the King James Bible & science and that science would find God before the church if they had enough time.  About 34 years ago God (Jehovah a.k.a. Jesus Christ) gave me the answer to every question I ever had.

The Muslim Koran, is the work of a false prophet.

[sunshinegirl]

For the record, I was raised catholic, and was a staunch believer in what I was taught for 12 years in a nun run school. I have read the bible, and the first part of the morman's too. All I can say is my eyes have been opened to to real world. If you guys are true christian, and not Sunday Christians, then go for it, and I applaud you for following your beliefs. My mind does not allow me to blindly follow, and there fore, I see what you may view as evil. I see beyond what other know exist, and I want to know more. Hopefully I will make contact before I die fo it will be the greatest joy for me. Peace to you, and enjoy life. Rachel

[JimFromTN]

This isn't a hunting story but its kind of a fishing story.  I met a good friend of mine back in college.  He was from west TN and was in a bass fishing club.  I had an old boat and an old car to pull it with so we became fishing partners for a few years.  He ended up dropping out and joining the military.  I'd hook the boat up and pick him up whenever he had leave.  Eventually he got out and went back to school and graduated.  He lived about 150 miles from me and I would come into town and stay with him and we would hit some of the local lakes.  He, like many of us, met this pretty girl and hung out at her house constanty.  Whenever I'd call his parents house to find out where he was, they'd say call over at her house.  She lived with her mother and grandfather.  I called over there and the grandfather would answer and I'd ask for my friend.  The old man would get cranky and tell me that he doesn't live here.  I said under my voice, "thats not what his parents said".  Anyhow, I went up there and stayed at her house and the 3 of us would go out fishing the next day.  I did not see the grandfather that night.  I figured he was away or had already gone to bed.  I got in pretty late.  My friend and I were setup to sleep in the den on the floor.  I laid down and tried to go to sleep.  As I was about to fall asleep, I saw the old man out in the hallway.  He was walking back and forth and he would stop at a mirror above a small table.  It looked like he was looking at himself.  I did not say anyhing.  I just laid there and watched.  Eventually he walked away and I fell to sleep.  The next morning we went fishing and again I did not see the old man but I forgot to say anything.  Anyhow, I went back home and called my friend a couple of weeks later.  I asked my friend about the grand father.  He said he died about a month and a half ago.

I have seen and heard things that I am not convinced were not ghosts but it every case I was on the verge of falling asleep.

[Skunk]

So Jim, are you saying the Grandfather was dead when you spoke with him on the phone? Dead when you stayed at the girl's house? Both?

[Swampman]

He was walking back and forth and he would stop at a mirror above a small table.  It looked like he was looking at himself.

That's the really interesting part.

[Skunk]

He was walking back and forth and he would stop at a mirror above a small table.  It looked like he was looking at himself.

That's the really interesting part.

Well ya it's interesting, especially if he was dead.

[Swampman]

He was trying to figure out what was going on.  He either can't figure out why he can't see himself in the mirror, or why nobody else can see him, if he can see himself in the mirror.

[JimFromTN]

Sorry I did not specify the time frame more clearly.  This all took place over about a 2 month period.  I spoke to him on the phone a few weeks before he died.  He had already died when I stayed at the house.  I had no idea that he had died until a couple of weeks after I stayed there.

I don't know what he was doing in the hallway.  I did not ask because I thought he was a cranky old man ( I don't think he liked my friend), nor did I try to touch him to see if he was real seeing as I had no idea that he had died in the weeks before.  I just laid there and watched him wonder aimlessly.  I was a young man and to me some old people were interesting while the others just seem to wonder around aimlessly looking for a purpose at the end of their lives wanting to stike up conversations about D Cell batteries and other trivial things that I had no desire to talk about.  I was working part time at KMart in the home improvement dept at the time and had many of those types of encounters while working there.  Perhaps his ghost was wanting to find some batteries and strike up a conversation, I don't know.  I realize now that someday I will be the one wondering around aimlessly in the local home improvement store wanting to talk to anyone who will listen about batteries or light bulbs or some other trivial thing.  I accept my destiny.

[DennyRoark]

Just found this thread and had to post.  For 15 or so years I hunted a large woods here in NW Ohio.  I would often get a creepy feeling.  As I explored more of it, I found some large "cracks" in the ground, and a place I think might have been an old smoke house.  Many times over the years I would see lights moving thru the woods in the pre-dawn darkness.  At first I thought they were head lights, but one morning one went zipping by my head while in the treestand and kind of bobbed around real fast for a minute or so.  Really spooked me.  So I started paying attention more and they were around a lot.  Several years later as my youngest daughter got old enough to hunt away from me, she noticed them to and got the same creepy feeling.  I had never said anything to her about it until she told me.  She wouldn't hunt alone there anymore!  There is a huge old Indian marker tree in the front of the woods.  Ball lightning?  No!  I won't say haunted, ghosts or anything but I have no explanation.  I also saw a black "cigar" shaped object (for lack of better words) fly from horizon to horizon in 7 seconds near there once.  I'd guess about 5-10,000 feet altitude, in the middle of the day with no sonic boom.  I'm not crazy, but I don't talk about these much.

[Travis Morgan]

What about 1911 crazy? He's full of crap as a Christmas goose!

[JPSaxMan]

1 Sam 28:15

Swampman,

This verse has nothing to do with what we were discussing. A bit late replying I know, but just thought I'd let you know.