Obama promises "change"...

[ironglow]

   
  Now, as Obama tries tyo "suck up to the center", his rabid liberal backers are wondering...
         
    The "change" he talks about..is that change, as in....chameleon ?

[buffermop]

No, He is referring to a regular change of his underwear.

[crustaceous]

Both Obama and McCain are "changing"
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/22/obama_and_mccain___flip_flop_flip_flop/

[magooch]

Any change in Osama's rhetoric should not be mistaken for change in his philosophy (if he has any), it is strictly to garner votes.  His radical left wing supporters need not worry, because if this scourge happens to get elected, he'll revert to his un-American, socialist agenda so fast that a sonic boom will be heard across the country.

[Ruskin]

He will take your hard earned dollars and leave you with pocket change. 

[bilmac]

He will take your guns and leave you defenceless.  Remember this time around we have a liberal congress and a Supreme Coart teetering on the edge. Lord help us.

[Redhawk1]

Obama = Change..
Change his mind from one minute to the next.
Change that tax laws and get more money from us hard working people, that want to improve our lives, just so people on welfare, food stamps, government funded housing and the list goes on, can sit on there butt and not work.
Change gun laws to take away our gun rights
Change how we deal with terrorists, and have cum by ya peace meeting with them.
Change America to become an Islamic State.

He wants us to learn  foreign languages, hell I could care less to learning another language, I am in America and I speak I English! He is ashamed of us because of that. Sorry we don't speak Islamic....

Obama is so close to Osama it is not even funny. So how is that for CHANGE!

[jimster]

Any sitting Senator that says if he is president he can do something, can do it right where he's at in the Senate...that is where all legislations and policies take place.

If they say they can cut taxes, they can do it before November...they don't have to wait until they are "president"...

all hogwash....that goes for the lot of them.

[Heavy C]

He will take your hard earned dollars and leave you with pocket change. 

You bet.  I don't even think he'll leave the pocket change.  There's always one more program to fund!

[nodlenor]

Things change every day. It's what changes and how that matters. Just saying change means nothing, and that's what we have had running for president for the last several elections "nothing".

[magooch]

How soon we forget; however, I remember what my taxes were before Dubya and I remember 9/11 and how we all knew that that was just the beginning of more attacks to come.  I also remember how people and the media were hollering for something to be done about prescription drugs.  I remember the Dumbycrats ranting about how we had to get rid of Saddam Hussein.  I remember how the education system in this country needed change.  All these things and more were addressed by the President we have now.  Some of them turned out pretty damned well and others are still a work in progress, or may not have turned out the way we might have hoped, but at least he didn't just sit around and change his mind every other day. 

Now, flame away, Bush haters.

[ironglow]

  Magooch;
     You are absolutely correct; all these liberals complain about how Pres Bush "misled" the people about WMD..they are full of pollywog water !
  All the major intelligence agencies of the world ..(e.g. British MI-5 and Moussad)  concurred in the assessment !
 
     Pres Clinton agreed            www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle-east/july-dec98/clinton_12-16.html

     Now, some disagree, but Pres Bush's Medicare program came just in time for me and my wife.. We worked all our lives and paid into the system.
  My wife has been stricken with a catastrophic illness, requiring about 15 different prescriptions for her daily meds. Some of these RX cost several
  hundred dollars per month. No way we could have afforded them all..she would have just had to die.
   
    They make out well against me; I only require a couple low-cost prescriptions, covered by Vets..

   This helps to make up for the previous administration slapping income taxes upon our Social Security..

[Chilachuck]

I have to admit Obama has really been delivering what he promised. Change. Is there a single position he has not changed on, aside from wanting to be President?

To bad he does not deliver change on that one, too.

[bilmac]

I too am a a Bush fan, whether the media says I should hate him or not. He was too freindly with Democrats in his early days when he believed all Dems could be like Texas Dems, honerable men at times. And I really didn't like his ideas about illegal aliens, but otherwise what a change from Clinton. Agree with him or not you know that Bush always has the best interest of the country as his priority, not his own self interest like King Clinton.
 
I was argueing with a buddy who for some unknown reason has turned into a flameing liberal. After the usual back and forth I asked him if on 9/12 he thought that we would not be attacked again for 6 years. The argument was over. Bush did exactly the right thing. While the Dems were figureing out how to protect our, airports and our nuclear plants, and our water supplies, and our power grid, and our food supplies, ect ect ect. Bush told the military ro go get them where they lived.

The media likes to poke fun of the way he speaks, but when Bush speaks it is truth, unlike Clinton who you can tell when he lies, that happens whenever his lips are moving.

[buffermop]

Say what you want about WILD BILL, but when he was president we had no economic melt down. Jobs were more secure and major banks were not going under. Who ever gets in for president has quite a task to undo the damage Bush has done. George Sr. had a better scope on the presidency than his clueless son.

[jager]

"Wild Bil" did ride high in the media (that wasn't all he was riding ) with those that help "sell" his policies to the public, and even protected him when he was in political and legal trouble. He did not ride high with with those of us who didn't buy his "bilge" of "feel good politics".
  He was essentially "asleep at the switch" in regards to protecting our country during his two terms. He ignored "building" terrorist threats and even let his Justice Department block the CIA and FBI from talking to each other. It might surprise you that he did take us into Bosnia without U.N. authorization, and the "media" cheered. The troops were suppose to be out by "Christmas"; we still have a "presence" there (100 year war?) Does Somalia, Waco, Elian Gonzalas, and Kobar Towers sound like great achievements? This all occurred with virtually the same media that attacks Bush on every domestic and foreign issue, while refusing to report any good new in Iraq or the economy. Take a look who our "big media" is "cheering" now to be President. Can you even imagine that Clinton would have gotten by with as much "flip flopping" (oh, I guess "she" didn't!).
  You can check out Clinton's numbers on unemployment, Wall Street "highs", number of military that lost their lives while he was in office, his treating of "terrorist" like they were local "thugs", his great deals for China's missile program and North Korea's "nuc" program, etc., etc. He was the "quintessential  politician", apply named "Slick Willy".  Like Obama, he had a "gift for words"; but unlike Obama, he didn't change his opinion on every "core" issue he pursued. Clinton's initial liberal pursuits with "gays in the military" helped get him the "Conservative Congress of '94" and Clinton was smart enough to take advantage of the "real change" the country wanted.
  With Obama, we just get "change on demand" without any plan to "implement" his "multiple" positions on any given issue. Obama has the "siren" voice of Clinton, but not even a "smidgen" of his "political savvy" of who the people are that populate this country. If Obama becomes President, he will certainly make "Wid Bill" look better in retrospect, even to those that hold my opinion of his 2 terms in office.

[ironglow]

  Right Jager;
   We were only saved from an economic problem because the Reps took over congress in '94 and cut back the ridiculous tax structure the Clintons
   brought in with them. Yes, it may have been a bit more stark economically, had Clinton done the right thing after the first attack on the WTC, or
   the embassies, or the USS Cole..but it may have avoided the fuill destruction of the WTC and the partial of the Pentagon..
  If the Dems had not kept fighting our energy independence tooth & nail, we may be more comfortable today. It is not entirely their fault, since the
  Reps should have been pressing the issue, every chance they got !
 
        One thing I will NEVER forget about Dem/Liberals...is their hate for our fighting men & women. Liberals generally being too cowardly for combat,
  turn against the fine AMERICANS who DO possess the real courage necessary to fight a war ! ..Jealousy, I guess !
   They whip up all kinds of fervor for a couple terrorists in Abu Gharib who wear some shorts for a head dress, while virtually ignoring an evil enemy that
  beheads any of ours that fall captive to them !
   They worry about the terrorists at Gitmo getting "full rights of the AMERICAN Constitution"..and seem to overlook the torture deaths of American troops
  taken captive by the evil ones !
    They FALSELY (proven) accuse a few of our Marines in Haditha of "atrocities", while ignoring the millions murdered by Saddam Hussein,..They seem to like the name...HUSSEIN..

   ..But I suppose Dem/Lib is a good refuge for self-flagulating, masochistic Americans...a place to commiserate together, and sing Kumbayah...

[deltecs]

"Wild Bil" did ride high in the media (that wasn't all he was riding ) with those that help "sell" his policies to the public, and even protected him when he was in political and legal trouble. He did not ride high with with those of us who didn't buy his "bilge" of "feel good politics".
  He was essentially "asleep at the switch" in regards to protecting our country during his two terms. He ignored "building" terrorist threats and even let his Justice Department block the CIA and FBI from talking to each other. It might surprise you that he did take us into Bosnia without U.N. authorization, and the "media" cheered. The troops were suppose to be out by "Christmas"; we still have a "presence" there (100 year war?) Does Somalia, Waco, Elian Gonzalas, and Kobar Towers sound like great achievements? This all occurred with virtually the same media that attacks Bush on every domestic and foreign issue, while refusing to report any good new in Iraq or the economy. Take a look who our "big media" is "cheering" now to be President. Can you even imagine that Clinton would have gotten by with as much "flip flopping" (oh, I guess "she" didn't!).
  You can check out Clinton's numbers on unemployment, Wall Street "highs", number of military that lost their lives while he was in office, his treating of "terrorist" like they were local "thugs", his great deals for China's missile program and North Korea's "nuc" program, etc., etc. He was the "quintessential  politician", apply named "Slick Willy".  Like Obama, he had a "gift for words"; but unlike Obama, he didn't change his opinion on every "core" issue he pursued. Clinton's initial liberal pursuits with "gays in the military" helped get him the "Conservative Congress of '94" and Clinton was smart enough to take advantage of the "real change" the country wanted.
  With Obama, we just get "change on demand" without any plan to "implement" his "multiple" positions on any given issue. Obama has the "siren" voice of Clinton, but not even a "smidgen" of his "political savvy" of who the people are that populate this country. If Obama becomes President, he will certainly make "Wid Bill" look better in retrospect, even to those that hold my opinion of his 2 terms in office.

Excellent post and perception of Slick Willy.  However, you forgot to mention enactment of the Brady Bill and his re election statements regarding his administration's prevention of 10,000 felons from obtaining firearms, due enforcement of it.  What is not mentioned in the media, is the total disregard for prohibition of felons, with a name and address, was already prevented from owning and possession of firearms.  An addition, the media totally ignored the fact that Slick Willy only prosecuted 3 of the so called 10,000 felons for attempting to buy firearms.  Isn't the President in charge of the Executive Branch of government and charged with enforcement of federal laws?  Then if they were truly felons, why didn't he prosecute them, or was he lying about them being felons?  Either answer indicates incompetence.  The other issue is perjury.  He lost his license to practice law and should have been convicted in the impeachment, for lying in a deposition under oath in a federal discrimination case.  Then there is the video response the whole nation saw, where he said "I did not commit sex with that woman".  If he'd been underage, the courts, would have and do, disagree with this statement.  It is called statutory rape, a sexual act and prosecutable.  So, what makes it different as an adult?  Just the consentual participation by adults, but it still is sex.  Our country was enthralled with Slick Willy, and it has and is, being carried over to Obama by the emotional electorate. 

[bilmac]

IF THE SCHOOL JANITOR HAD BEEN FOOLING AROUND WITH SOME LITTLE GIRL HIRED AS SUMMER HELP AND GOT CAUGHT hE WOULD BE HISTORY. NO QUESTIONS ASKED. NOW. IMMEDIATELY. PEOPLE AROUND TOWN WOULD BE LOOKING FOR HIS SCALP.

BUT IT'S OK FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES TO DO THE SAME THING?. 

[ironglow]

Bilmac;

   ...But sometimes the truth is too strong to take !

  Actually, I doubt the gross immorality bothered the left wing at all, MORALS seem to be a foreign concept to them.
  After all, most Liberals in power today were paret of the "sickening sixties" and they indulged freely in the "new morality",
  which is no more than a convenient way of saying "NO morality"..

[bilmac]

His lack of morality and the fact that he got away with it caused a new generation of his kind. Even in conservative Wyoming kids were Lewiniskiing each other on the schoolbus. Lying was inimportant unless you got caught at it. I think the schools are gaining control again.

The sexual harassment act was pushed through by liberals who insisted that anybody in power was likely to use it to coerce subordinates into doing "favors". So what happens when their guy gets caught, the whole liberal world, especially the press joines ranks behind the guy and there were NO consequenses. Hypocracy at its extreme. 

[rockbilly]

Though I don't condone what Slick Willie did behind the closed doors of the oval office, I do think that anything that takes place between two consenting adults in privite is no ones bussisness but their own.  After all wasn't she over 21, and a legal adult?  The incident with Monica came to light as the result of a disgruntled friend who had been demote and was seeking revenge.  It was drug through the media by little Kenny in his attempt to gain political favor and popularity, and effort to get a convictions on other charges.  Take this out of the picture, and overall Clinton would have likely gone down in history as a "good" president.

What we face today is two incompent jerks that will lead this country down the road of no return.  We can't do much about the President situation, but we can get behind those running the Senate/Congress and help elect proven leaders who will stand up for this country and get her back on track.  

[Ruskin]

I doubt an honest assessment of "slick" would show him to be good.

We are in a war on terror today because of his incompetence.  He had chances to take OSL and did not. Instead of running the country like he should have, he was getting a knob job by a starry eye girl. 

He being the Chief Law Enforcement officer of the land and his lying should have had him booted out of office.  I read the book by Schippers, who prosecuted the case in the house- a democrat, we only got the tip of the iceberg.

[billy_56081]

I'm certain Barrak Hussien Obama will bring change. What I am affaid of is that his "change" will not be for the good. I predict that if Barrak Hussien Obama is elected that within 2 years of his election there will either be a presidential assasination, or there will be a revolution in America.

[ironglow]

  Rockbilly;
  Do you see anything wrong with the intern choking sessions being done while the "president' was conducting official business ?
   
  Do you see any problem with his immorality, being that he was married and had a teenage daughter ?

[lrs]

I'm certain Barrak Hussien Obama will bring change. What I am affaid of is that his "change" will not be for the good. I predict that if Barrak Hussien Obama is elected that within 2 years of his election there will either be a presidential assasination, or there will be a revolution in America.

If history is any indication, and it ususally is, I fear you may be correct.   
I am geting my garand refurbished, storing ammo, and taking martial arts. 
No kidding.

[TribReady]

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[deltecs]

Though I don't condone what Slick Willie did behind the closed doors of the oval office, I do think that anything that takes place between two consenting adults in privite is no ones bussisness but their own.  After all wasn't she over 21, and a legal adult?  The incident with Monica came to light as the result of a disgruntled friend who had been demote and was seeking revenge.  It was drug through the media by little Kenny in his attempt to gain political favor and popularity, and effort to get a convictions on other charges.  Take this out of the picture, and overall Clinton would have likely gone down in history as a "good" president.

What we face today is two incompent jerks that will lead this country down the road of no return.  We can't do much about the President situation, but we can get behind those running the Senate/Congress and help elect proven leaders who will stand up for this country and get her back on track.  

Cllnton will go down in history after his emotional and dedicated constituentcy has died, as one of the worst presidents.  Remember Andrew Johnson?  His presidency was picking up the pieces of a nation torn by war and his economy was so so.  Yet he is listed due the impeachment as a terrible president.  How can Clinton's impeachment do any less for his legacy.  How can Clinton's perjury as chief executive add to his good president name?  I agree that whatever goes on between 2 consenting adults behind closed doors are private, except as evidence in another case which is a federal crime.  So any secrets between consenting adults are not secret, if relevant in a different case that denied another,s right to be heard in court.  And that is what happend.  A possible victim of sexual harrassment was not permitted to proceed in court to have her case heard in front of her peers, based on sworn testimony by an acting president that was false.  This from a president and attorney.  Perjury is perjury for all, regardless of position.   

[Echo4Lima]

Rockbilly, the who's, where's, and why's have absolutly no bearing.  HE LIED UNDER OATH TO A FEDERAL GRAND JURY! You or I would have had to make bail.

All of Bushes economic numbers have been higher than any of Bills. Those numbers are out there.  Read them yourself. Clinton didnt do anything!  The only thing he did was try to keep his poll numbers up.

Deltecs, Nixon was asked how he would be judged by history.  He said, "most historians are liberal so in the short term I wont be judged well".  He has since been looked at fairly better than when he left office.  The same holds true for Clinton.  The lib historians are judging him well now but it's steadily sliding.  When the smoke clears, the only people that will think he was good will be the blinded die hards.

[ironglow]

     Guys;
 
  Remember when that whole thing was transpiring; the Dem/Libs were all saying ....."everybody does that!"

   I have never been in an intern choking session, have you ?