Author Topic: President Bush lifts Executive Ban on Offshore Drilling (Read 3155 times)

ironglow · « **Reply #30 on:** July 18, 2008, 01:23:06 AM »

Dakota;
Short memory ? Pres Bush came into a faltering economy..the biased media didn't publish it as much though, since it didn't fit their agenda.
Actually, Slick had little to do with the economy after '94, when the new Rep congress pushed through tax cuts. I can recall Newt saying right after
the measure was enacted, something to the effect that " Clinton will get the credit..but that's OK, the nation needs it !"

OH..BTW..Did you notice, since the Prez ,made the announcement the global price of oil has come down precipitiously..for 3 straight days...

...THE BALL IS STILL IN CONGRESS' COURT ! Don't double-cross the American people..Pelosi..Reid..are you listening ?

crustaceous · « **Reply #31 on:** July 18, 2008, 05:08:32 AM »

Dakota,
Excellent memory!
http://www.academycomputerservice.com/economics/charts.htm
Don't let fantasy cloud the facts!
Job Growth Among the Slowest of Any Administration in over 70 Years
Private Sector Job Growth Among the Worst of Any Administration in over 70 Years
Job Growth Slowing Since Fall 2005 Peak
Unemployment Rate up by 1.3 Percentage Points
2.5 Million More Unemployed
Long-Term Unemployment More Than Double Since President Bush Took Office
Employee Compensation Has Lagged Far Behind Productivity
The Bush Economy Real Earnings Growth Weak and Unequal Relative to 1990s Expansion
Large Projected Surpluses Turned Into Large Deficits
$4.2 Trillion More Debt in FY 2008
Bush Tax Cuts Will Be More Than 100 Times Larger for Millionaires than for Middle Income Households
One of Only Three Administrations with a Decline in Household Income
Real Median Household Income Down $982
Real Household Income Has Declined for All Except the Richest since 2000
One of Only Four Administrations with an Average Annual Rise in the Poverty Rate
4.9 Million More Americans in Poverty
Chart 17: 8.6 Million More Americans Without Health Insurance

DakotaElkSlayer · « **Reply #32 on:** July 18, 2008, 05:26:50 AM »

Ya, I thought my memory was pretty good! I think I also remember that Cheney held an "energy task force" when the Administration was working on a national energy policy. Hmmm...didn't the Sierra Club launch a lawsuit to find out who showed up to participate? Did we not find out years later that Big Oil were the ones that met with Cheney? Let me get this straight, make an energy policy based on recommendations from oil companies and then act suprised when oil reaches record prices a few years later?!

Jim

DakotaElkSlayer · « **Reply #33 on:** July 18, 2008, 05:40:29 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on July 18, 2008, 01:23:06 AM

Dakota;
Short memory ? Pres Bush came into a faltering economy..the biased media didn't publish it as much though, since it didn't fit their agenda.

You don't really believe that, do you? Remember how before Bush actually took office, the economy slowed? Sure, it was much better than it is now, but it slowed from the rapid growth that we had been experiencing. I remember Bush at this time, every single time he was in front of the camera, he talked about how bad the economy was... He said that we were in a recession even though economic indicators showed that we weren't even close. He changed a lot of people's perception, like yours, of the economy so she faultered.

Yup, got a good memory. I thought Bush had the potential of being a great President so I paid attention....

Jim

TribReady · « **Reply #34 on:** July 18, 2008, 05:44:21 AM »

Quote from: crustaceous on July 18, 2008, 05:08:32 AM

Bush Tax Cuts Will Be More Than 100 Times Larger for Millionaires than for Middle Income Households

Chart 17: 8.6 Million More Americans Without Health Insurance

I'm not going to argue any of your points, don't know if they're accurate or not, don't care. But, you lose credibility by putting in dumb things like these. Of course millionaires get more back, they pay in alot more. This whole class envy thing plays right into the socialists hands. Get over it, they make more than us, so.
As far as health insurance, I'm a pharmacists and my wife's a nurse. Believe me, not one single person in this country will be turned away for medical care. The drug addict in the hospital for his "weekend hotel stay" gets the same care and treatment and access to technology as the CEO, and the addicts huge bills just keep going up and up and zero of it will be paid.
Any one, and that means anyone, can walk into any ER and receive treatment.

Sorry, I typically don't respond like this, but the tax arguments and healthcare arguments just burn me. They don't hold up and undermine any other points being made.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #35 on:** July 18, 2008, 06:30:17 AM »

When Bush took office , the economy got that great boost 9/11 , boy that helped now didn't it ?
Correct me if I'm wrong but ain't that what caused the problem or at least started it ?
And to think Bill C. could have taken care of old BIN L. a couple different times . GO DEMOCRATS ! and we may have not had to deal with $ 4.00 gas ?

ironglow · « **Reply #36 on:** July 18, 2008, 10:55:55 AM »

Crusty;
Now, you know you ghot thjose "statistics" from some left wing blog or spin sheet , and almost everyone here KNOWS how the left likes to
make up "statistics' on-the-spot !

So those "facts' have no credibility here..

Dakota;
I don't recall any big excitement about an "energy task force"..and Sierra Club..most know they are in bed with the eco-nuts. I suppose that if I
were to try to find out how to handle the energy situation, I may well ask oil producers ! I don't think there would be much reason to ask donut
shop operators !

The biggest "secret meetings" i can recall is the one Hillary held, when she was first elected (along with bill). She was going to "fix" the health care system !
She spent $$millions, anmd had hundreds of unidentified guests. It was so clandestine, I doubt anybody outside the Clinton Clique..knows just who attended!
I suppose we can rest assured they were a bunch of Sopcialist/Marxists though..

Anyway; that is all "water over the dam", we are concerned with the HERE & NOW..

The President's announcement alone..by way of speculator's and OPEC'S concerns..caused the world price of oil to slide 10% over the last 3 days...
...whether our fuel costs rise or fall..is now up to Congress..

Must I repeat ?... <<<< THE BALL IS IN CONGRESS' COURT ! >>>>

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #37 on:** July 18, 2008, 12:56:10 PM »

ILLEGAL WAR ?

deltecs · « **Reply #38 on:** July 18, 2008, 02:36:42 PM »

Quote from: TM7 on July 18, 2008, 09:27:49 AM

Bush et al plundered the Treasury, started a needless illegal foreign war, borders wide open, surrogate for some little apex country, trashed the economy, some alledge terrorist attack on his watch, and totally rolled back our Constituionally guaranteed freedoms in the name of some oversold tired W OF T.....He should have been thrown out of office and sent to exile to his 100,000 acre ranch in Paraquay and never heard from again, or worse. He (and this Congress) will go down in history as the absolute worst and most corrupt president ever; and ever posing as a conservative.

..TM7

I'll bet you are wrong that Bush will go down as the most corrupt president ever. He still has a long way to go to beat Cliinton, in my book.

DakotaElkSlayer · « **Reply #39 on:** July 18, 2008, 02:58:07 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on July 18, 2008, 10:55:55 AM

The President's announcement alone..by way of speculator's and OPEC'S concerns..caused the world price of oil to slide 10% over the last 3 days...
...whether our fuel costs rise or fall..is now up to Congress..

Must I repeat ?... <<<< THE BALL IS IN CONGRESS' COURT ! >>>>

Ironglow,
Something totally NON-POLITICAL I want to add... My wife got an email or letter from one of the airline CEO's. The letter to try to get people to write congress or something; didn't pay that much attention. The letter had a valid point, don't know if it was factual or not. The CEO blamed high prices on speculation... He stated something along the lines that back when gas was cheaper, only a small percentage was sold on speculation. Recently, the amount bought through speculation has greatly increased and has contributed to much higher prices. Anyone who didn't sleep through ECON want to elaborate on this?

Jim

Sourdough · « **Reply #40 on:** July 18, 2008, 09:17:04 PM »

Oil and Natural Gas has been found under Cook Inlet. The greenies have already brought suite in court to have the Cook Inlet Baluga Whales classified as endangered. That way they can stop any drilling in Cook Inlet. They are already trying to stop drilling in the Bearing Sea due to Walrus and Polar Bears. The only large animal that lived on the ANWR coastal plain year round, (recently transplanted Musk Oxen) Have all disappeared. They died off and F&G has no idea why. There goes one of the greenies reasons for not drilling in ANWR.

ironglow · « **Reply #41 on:** July 19, 2008, 01:06:18 AM »

Sourdough;
Obviously; the "Greenies" are some of our biggest enemies to progress in our nation. I prefer to use not the term "greenies".. but rather, "watermelons",
green outside but RED inside. These turkeys simply hate US because it is a free enterprise nation, not based on the Socialist/Marxist view. One need only
talk to them or even listen to them for a short time to see clearly that such is their "hangup".
Further proof ! their buddies in red China are the worst polluters in the world, but not a peep from them..at least not the hassle they give decent folks
here in the US..

Dakota;
A "non-political " statement like that deserves a non-political answer..The spectre of fresh exploration and drilling was raised by an unnamed, high place,
US official. High enough placed to possibly get the ball rolling on new venues for oil sources. Oil speculators reacted, bringing about the sharpest one week
decline in crude prices in history (12%) ! Drudge has a posting this morning.. Such speculative pull back can continue into the future, if the plan for new
exploration and production materialize.

More firmly than ever, I say " THE BALL IS IN CONGRESS' COURT !" (below, see speculators dumping oil stocks.)

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #42 on:** July 21, 2008, 01:30:26 AM »

As i ride around i notice on lots many SUV's and PU trucks not being sold , in driveways i see the same etc. . It appears the big SUV and PU truck are endangered , A law must be passed to support the use of these trucks . We must have Govt. money set aside to help pay for the fuel these trucks need . Drivers / owners should not only recieve tax breaks but cash support at the pumps .
In the sprit of Robin Hood the Govt should tax the small car driver to pay for the big trucks gas in an effort to make us all equal !

NYH1 · « **Reply #43 on:** July 21, 2008, 07:32:45 AM »

They can do all the offshore drilling for oil they want, heck they can drill for oil in all of our back yards and that isn't going to help with the cost of oil one bit. The oil companies will have a million reasons to justify why the prices are still so high, and the government Republican't and Dumbocraps alike won't do anything about it. If oil cost $130 a barrel if pumped from the Middle East, it's going to cost $130 a barrel if pumped from your back yard.....don't kid yourselves!

NYH1 · « **Reply #44 on:** July 21, 2008, 07:55:14 AM »

Quote from: DakotaElkSlayer on July 18, 2008, 05:26:50 AM

Ya, I thought my memory was pretty good! I think I also remember that Cheney held an "energy task force" when the Administration was working on a national energy policy. Hmmm...didn't the Sierra Club launch a lawsuit to find out who showed up to participate? Did we not find out years later that Big Oil were the ones that met with Cheney? Let me get this straight, make an energy policy based on recommendations from oil companies and then act suprised when oil reaches record prices a few years later?!

Jim

Yeah, that's like having Colonel Sanders guard the chickens!

DakotaElkSlayer · « **Reply #45 on:** July 21, 2008, 07:00:44 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on July 19, 2008, 01:06:18 AM

Dakota;
A "non-political " statement like that deserves a non-political answer..The spectre of fresh exploration and drilling was raised by an unnamed, high place,
US official. High enough placed to possibly get the ball rolling on new venues for oil sources. Oil speculators reacted, bringing about the sharpest one week
decline in crude prices in history (12%) ! Drudge has a posting this morning.. Such speculative pull back can continue into the future, if the plan for new
exploration and production materialize.

More firmly than ever, I say " THE BALL IS IN CONGRESS' COURT !" (below, see speculators dumping oil stocks.)

Seriously, wouldn't we be farther ahead if Bush announced tomorrow that the national speed limit was going to be put back down to 55mph??? I am pretty sure that would conserve more oil than we would get from the likes of drilling ANWAR or the coasts. Best of all, it would be instantaneous...

Jim

DakotaElkSlayer · « **Reply #46 on:** July 21, 2008, 07:02:42 PM »

Quote from: New York Hunter on July 21, 2008, 07:55:14 AM

Quote from: DakotaElkSlayer on July 18, 2008, 05:26:50 AM
Ya, I thought my memory was pretty good! I think I also remember that Cheney held an "energy task force" when the Administration was working on a national energy policy. Hmmm...didn't the Sierra Club launch a lawsuit to find out who showed up to participate? Did we not find out years later that Big Oil were the ones that met with Cheney? Let me get this straight, make an energy policy based on recommendations from oil companies and then act suprised when oil reaches record prices a few years later?!

Jim
Yeah, that's like having Colonel Sanders guard the chickens!

Or, like having the president of PETA head your state's Fish and Game!

Jim

ironglow · « **Reply #47 on:** July 22, 2008, 03:43:11 AM »

This thread: Prez Bush lifts executive ban on offshore drilling....

Let's THINK now,,,Which end of the court is the ball in ?

ironglow · « **Reply #48 on:** July 22, 2008, 04:26:49 PM »

the ball, the ball..who's got the ball ?

30-06man · « **Reply #49 on:** July 22, 2008, 05:10:43 PM »

Quote from: ironglow on July 22, 2008, 04:26:49 PM

the ball, the ball..who's got the ball ?

It got lost somewhere in between Nancy Pelosi and Obama.

NYH1 · « **Reply #50 on:** July 22, 2008, 06:32:40 PM »

Quote from: DakotaElkSlayer on July 21, 2008, 07:02:42 PM

Quote from: New York Hunter on July 21, 2008, 07:55:14 AM
Quote from: DakotaElkSlayer on July 18, 2008, 05:26:50 AM
Ya, I thought my memory was pretty good! I think I also remember that Cheney held an "energy task force" when the Administration was working on a national energy policy. Hmmm...didn't the Sierra Club launch a lawsuit to find out who showed up to participate? Did we not find out years later that Big Oil were the ones that met with Cheney? Let me get this straight, make an energy policy based on recommendations from oil companies and then act suprised when oil reaches record prices a few years later?!

Jim
Yeah, that's like having Colonel Sanders guard the chickens!
Or, like having the president of PETA head your state's Fish and Game!

Jim

Pete Grannis, so far so good. Cheney meeting with the big oil executives to come up with a solid energy plan, so far not so good.

ironglow · « **Reply #51 on:** July 23, 2008, 12:53:19 PM »

TM;
I didn't avoid your question, I just considered it a moot point. Bush #41 may have been wrong ! The Congress may well have been wrong many times since 1990 !

In any case, do you suppose it is just possible that the situation may have possibly changed over the last 18 years ? Now, I know the radical Muslims think the
"crusades" happened just yesterday..but we don't have to adopt the same thought processes..

DakotaElkSlayer · « **Reply #52 on:** July 23, 2008, 07:21:05 PM »

Just looked online and I found that adopting a national speed limit of 55mph will save 167,000 barrels of oil a day!!! Why aren't you folks yelling for this?!

Warner cited studies that showed the 55 mph speed limit saved 167,000 barrels of oil a day, or 2 percent of the country's highway fuel consumption, while avoiding up to 4,000 traffic deaths a year.

"Given the significant increase in the number of vehicles on America's highway system from 1974 to 2008, one could assume that the amount of fuel that could be conserved today is far greater," Warner wrote Bodman.

Jim

30-06man · « **Reply #53 on:** July 23, 2008, 08:51:46 PM »

Quote from: DakotaElkSlayer on July 23, 2008, 07:21:05 PM

Just looked online and I found that adopting a national speed limit of 55mph will save 167,000 barrels of oil a day!!! Why aren't you folks yelling for this?!

Warner cited studies that showed the 55 mph speed limit saved 167,000 barrels of oil a day, or 2 percent of the country's highway fuel consumption, while avoiding up to 4,000 traffic deaths a year.

"Given the significant increase in the number of vehicles on America's highway system from 1974 to 2008, one could assume that the amount of fuel that could be conserved today is far greater," Warner wrote Bodman.

Jim

Heck back then people actually cared that they got good fuel mileage. Try to find a good fuel efficient car today that gets around 30MPG city and that isn't a Hybrid. Its very hard but back then you could find one easily. Today I see women and men driving in Ford Excursions and Hummers and not using them for anything. They don't use them as a truck and they don't need all of that space. You can fit a family of 4 info a Honda Accord or something like that and have good a good amount of room and drive two or three times as far on that one tank of gas. I drive a Dodge Ram 2500 but I use it all of the time hauling a load that I couldn't haul with a Ranger or F150. Also I am getting decent fuel mileage, its just the prices. I drive about 57 on the interstate now as it is where I get my best fuel mileage. I get 23-24 with a 5.9 Liter Cummins Diseal.

ironglow · « **Reply #54 on:** July 24, 2008, 05:06:11 AM »

Now TM;
First off, I doubt the "secret meetings" term..just because the veep wants some info from the best able persons that can provide it,
doesn't necessarily mean it must be put on TV as if it were Congressional hearings..

Use your gray matter..I have heard all kinds of complaints about Cheney wanting to increase oil production..so he talks to "oil men".

Tsk,tsk..if one wants to hear ways to ensure a steady supply of oil, who should he talk to..PETA..the Girl Scouts..Mothers against Drunk driving,
environmentalist whackos...or the people who KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT the exploration, recovery, refining and distribution of petroleum ?

ironglow · « **Reply #55 on:** July 24, 2008, 06:32:18 PM »

TM;
I would just bet there were meetings about beef prices, college tuitions, Humvee procurement, maritime laws, mad cow disease and the honey bee problem..
and they were not widely publicized either..pretty much depends upon what "trips your trigger", I suppose..

Glanceblamm · « **Reply #56 on:** July 25, 2008, 02:53:59 AM »

DakotaElkSlayer Wrote:

Quote

The CEO blamed high prices on speculation... He stated something along the lines that back when gas was cheaper, only a small percentage was sold on speculation. Recently, the amount bought through speculation has greatly increased and has contributed to much higher prices. Anyone who didn't sleep through ECON want to elaborate on this?

This (IMO) is a true statement. Can we give those people (the speculators) riddilin or something

It seems like the oldest one playing this game deals with the Coffee bean futures as you really have to watch when you buy because of the wide price fluctuations. Perhaps others to include oil are learning this because if someone
Sneezes on the Kurdish border [SIC] the prices will skyrocket.
It (the economy) really isnt about what one can do to help society out anymore but rather to do what one can do to earn the dollar.

30-06man · « **Reply #57 on:** July 27, 2008, 06:51:59 PM »

I paid $4.29 this morning for diesel and $3.49 for gas. It seemed to drop fuel prices some and hopefully more. Also the higher prices of diesel is due to China stocking up on it for the Olympics.

ironglow · « **Reply #58 on:** July 27, 2008, 11:34:07 PM »

If the fuel prices do come down, you can bet that as usual, they won't come down to where they were just a few months ago. If history is any teacher, they will do
just as they always have over the last 45 years (since OPEC)...pull back part way..
That way, gullible folks will say; "Oh relief, wonderful, I can afford to drive again". Then they will go on as I have seen them a dozen times before. the politicians
who were for "energy independence" will back off a bit, since the public is no longer excited and demanding..and the politicians that are "in the tank" for the greenies,
Luddites and "hate America" crowd, will breathe a sigh of relief and turn back to sipping their Starbucks as they drive to their senate office in their big SUV.
Sure, our threat to become energy independent by renewed exploration & drilling will help to bring prices down, temporarily..but as soon as we relax our demands
for independence and go back to the same old reliance upon our enemies for our oil supplies..the prices will go up again..

30-06man · « **Reply #59 on:** July 28, 2008, 05:46:48 AM »

Quote from: ironglow on July 27, 2008, 11:34:07 PM

If the fuel prices do come down, you can bet that as usual, they won't come down to where they were just a few months ago. If history is any teacher, they will do
just as they always have over the last 45 years (since OPEC)...pull back part way..
That way, gullible folks will say; "Oh relief, wonderful, I can afford to drive again". Then they will go on as I have seen them a dozen times before. the politicians
who were for "energy independence" will back off a bit, since the public is no longer excited and demanding..and the politicians that are "in the tank" for the greenies,
Luddites and "hate America" crowd, will breathe a sigh of relief and turn back to sipping their Starbucks as they drive to their senate office in their big SUV.
Sure, our threat to become energy independent by renewed exploration & drilling will help to bring prices down, temporarily..but as soon as we relax our demands
for independence and go back to the same old reliance upon our enemies for our oil supplies..the prices will go up again..

I don't think I could have said it any better. I heard the other day Chevron was ready to start drilling off of the Alantic but the Dem congress has stopped it already.