Author Topic: Ruger NO 1 or Encore in 45-70? (Read 11485 times)

shooter6br · « **on:** July 18, 2008, 03:58:04 AM »

I am planning to buy either a Ruger NO 1 in 45-70 or an Encore in45-70. I dont plan to change barrels So which gun would be your choice? I plan to shoot at the range from a bench mainly Thanks Rick

Hairtrigger · « **Reply #1 on:** July 18, 2008, 06:30:31 AM »

How heavy of loads do you want to shoot? Reloading manuals give different levels. Ruger will handle the highest level, If I remember correctly the TC will not.
That may not be important if you are shooting paper but may be helpful on a hunt.

kyelkhunter3006 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 18, 2008, 07:54:23 AM »

I'd have to vote for the Ruger. Strong as a bank vault, if you plan on shooting the heaviest of loads on a and kind of regular basis, you'll give up the ghost before the gun will. It's much better looking than the Encore too. With the Ruger scope mounting system, it's less pieces to break as well.

30-06man · « **Reply #3 on:** July 18, 2008, 08:33:50 AM »

Ruger No1. If you have no use for changing barrels it will be better. It also has less things that could factor in how it shoots and it will be more consistent.

Rangr44 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 18, 2008, 01:24:26 PM »

Ruger #1 - Besides, break-opens are a PITA, when shooting repeatedly from a bench.

kyelkhunter3006 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 18, 2008, 03:21:55 PM »

That's a good call.....

Hairtrigger · « **Reply #6 on:** July 18, 2008, 04:18:10 PM »

Quote from: Rangr44 on July 18, 2008, 01:24:26 PM

Ruger #1 - Besides, break-opens are a PITA .

Worth repeating!

Tencubed · « **Reply #7 on:** July 19, 2008, 04:43:02 PM »

When you decided to buy a 45-70 did you consider at all the Sharp's reproductions? For bench work and long range either of your choices would be great but you might want to take a look at the other options out there.

Just a thought.

Mike

Davemuzz · « **Reply #8 on:** July 20, 2008, 09:42:30 AM »

Quote from: Tencubed on July 19, 2008, 04:43:02 PM

When you decided to buy a 45-70 did you consider at all the Sharp's reproductions? For bench work and long range either of your choices would be great but you might want to take a look at the other options out there.

Just a thought.

Mike

I would agree with Mike. You've narrowed your gun choice to a specific caliber.....and for a specific purpose....(shooting from a bench). So, the Sharp's reproductions are built for accuracy. Why not give 'em a look?

BTW, I own the T\C Contender and Encore frames. I shoot 'em from the bench but their primary purpose is for hunting. I don't find them exceptionally difficult to reload at the bench. Also, a few years ago when I bought my 45-70, my primary purpose was to get one for hunting. I also had a "liking" for the lever action....so I ended up with a Marlin 1895XLR. I've never been unhappy with my choice. But....I don't think I would want this lever gun for all day bench shooting.

MHO

Dave

Tom W. · « **Reply #9 on:** September 01, 2008, 01:26:36 AM »

I'd get the Ruger. But then again I'm fond of the Single shot rifles....

Swampman · « **Reply #10 on:** September 01, 2008, 01:33:23 AM »

I'd rather have an NEF Handi Rifle for the money. It's very accurate, and a lot of fun to spank those $1000.00+ dollar rifles with.

kyelkhunter3006 · « **Reply #11 on:** September 01, 2008, 05:22:47 AM »

Who didn't know that??? LOL I couldn't resist....

Hairtrigger · « **Reply #12 on:** September 01, 2008, 06:07:25 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 01, 2008, 01:33:23 AM

I'd rather have an NEF Handi Rifle for the money. It's very accurate, and a lot of fun to spank those $1000.00+ dollar rifles with.

Just do a search here, you will find tons of posts asking how to get a handi to shoot well. The chances of getting an inaccurate handi are much better than buying a No.1 that is inaccurate.
The Mini-14 and handi are closer to the same accuracy level

tanoose · « **Reply #13 on:** September 01, 2008, 06:58:54 AM »

I will have to disagree strongly on the handi rifle accuracy i have a 25/06 and a 45/70 both super accurate out of the box i will also state that i gave away a handi rifle in 30/06 that was more accurate then my remington 700 BDL 30/06 was . Maybe i've been lucky but thats my experience with the handi rifles.My buddy has had the same experience with his handi rifles in 223,25/06,30/06, and 45/70 I am talking about factory remington ammo used in all except the 223 which found the winchester varmint packs super accurate.I will be sending my 25/06 receiver out soon to have a 24" bull barrel in 223 fitted and will expect nothing but super accuracy when it gets back

Graybeard · « **Reply #14 on:** September 01, 2008, 08:07:22 AM »

Quote

Just do a search here, you will find tons of posts asking how to get a handi to shoot well. The chances of getting an inaccurate handi are much better than buying a No.1 that is inaccurate.

Not sure I'd buy into that. The Ruger #1 is notorious for accuracy issues. I had a 1B bought new that couldn't keep anything on an 8.5x11 target sheet regularly at 100 yards. Real shame as it was in 6MM Remington a round I've long wanted and that was my first attempt at it. I will one day find me a Remington in it and be done with it. I do like the looks of the #1 but it would be about my last choice for anything I wanted to actually hit what I aimed at.

The Encore is strong enough for all .45-70 loads I'm pretty sure it's the Contender that might not take some Ruger Level loads.

I do agree tho that a Sharps is the corrrect answer to the OP's question of what .45-70 to get for his application.

john keyes · « **Reply #15 on:** September 01, 2008, 11:27:00 AM »

H&R Buffalo Classic

Graybeard · « **Reply #16 on:** September 01, 2008, 11:54:36 AM »

Quote from: john keyes on September 01, 2008, 11:27:00 AM

H&R Buffalo Classic

Wouldn't be my first choice but must admit my BC outshot my Ruger One.

Hairtrigger · « **Reply #17 on:** September 01, 2008, 12:36:15 PM »

Ruger used iffy barrels years ago ( late 1970's if I remember ) since then it is unusual to hear of accuracy issues on new No.1's .
Just pick each rifle up and handle it, see which you prefer... maybe you will like the handi better! I sure do not.

kyelkhunter3006 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 01, 2008, 01:09:33 PM »

I've had a couple of #1's and they shot very well, both were MOA out of the box. I've also shot several others that were that good too. As stated, if you search the net, you'll find a ton of things to do to an NEF/H&R to help with accuracy issues.

All I've ever seen for a Ruger are to free float the forend (which is regularly done to "accurate out of the box bolt actions") or use the Hicks Accurizer to tune pressure on the barrel, alter the scope bases so that they don't touch the frame, and to change the trigger if you want a lighter or better pull.

The various Sharps rifles would also be good, as long as he wants to shoot open sights. If he's planning on scoping it, then.....

Swampman · « **Reply #19 on:** September 01, 2008, 04:11:18 PM »

It is unusual to hear of an accurate Ruger.

Tom W. · « **Reply #20 on:** September 01, 2008, 06:53:01 PM »

Be not deceived. I have two Ruger no. 1 B's, one in 7mm Rem mag and the other re-chambered to 30/06 a.i. and they are both super accurate. I also owned two Handi-rifles, one was a .270 and the other a 30/30. Traded off the .270, but it shot really well with factory Remington cheapo 130 grain bullets. The 30/30 shoots a cast Lee 160 grain bullet really well, but I don't think that they will outshoot my Rugers.

All of my Rugers are accurate.

kyelkhunter3006 · « **Reply #21 on:** September 02, 2008, 10:21:20 AM »

Quote from: Swampman on September 01, 2008, 04:11:18 PM

It is unusual to hear of an accurate Ruger.

Yep, that's true, unless you talk to the people that own them and shoot them. There isn't much Ruger talk on the Remington and NEF forums.

Hairtrigger · « **Reply #22 on:** September 02, 2008, 01:12:12 PM »

Quote from: kyelkhunter3006 on September 02, 2008, 10:21:20 AM

Quote from: Swampman on September 01, 2008, 04:11:18 PM
It is unusual to hear of an accurate Ruger.

Yep, that's true, unless you talk to the people that own them and shoot them. There isn't much Ruger talk on the Remington and NEF forums.

I read posts on two forums that are Ruger only...
again...
It is way easier to find a handi that will not shoot well than a Ruger

mjbgalt · « **Reply #23 on:** September 02, 2008, 01:47:04 PM »

dunno guys, i bought a new one in .25-06 not that many years ago and it put bullets all over the place. no pattern or rhyme or reason at all. it would put two about an inch apart and then throw the next one 4" away. then it would start out at a different point of impact on the next group.

pretty rifle and i love their looks...but i wouldn't buy another one until they fix that problem. kinda like the ranch and mini 14 and mk2 bolt action. for some reason people allow them to build guns which shoot 5" groups.

i like my ruger rimfires and revolvers but i cannot make myself buy another rifle. being burnt twice is enough.

-Matt

Hairtrigger · « **Reply #24 on:** September 02, 2008, 02:00:46 PM »

I go through streaks with rifles, for awhile I owned no Rugers then I got on a M77VT streak and owned a bunch. I am down to 5 now. I also got on a No.1 buying streak NONE of which I would sell.

Swampman · « **Reply #25 on:** September 02, 2008, 02:08:29 PM »

"i like my ruger rimfires and (their single action) revolvers but i cannot make myself buy another rifle."

Mega Dittos

kyelkhunter3006 · « **Reply #26 on:** September 02, 2008, 02:53:43 PM »

I agree that the Mini's and factory 10-22's stink as they come from the factory. I must be lucky, cause in the course of owning a couple of #1's, a couple of M77's, and shooting probably 12 more between the two, I've never met a bad shooter. I'll be the first to admit that they weren't all MOA guns, but out to 300 yds on a game animal, MOA isn't that important.

Of course, with those guns, I've never had a problem with the bolt stops (M77), extractors, ejectors, or trigger parts breaking.

I can't say that about the Remington's I've had, since I had all of these issues at one time or the other.

mjbgalt · « **Reply #27 on:** September 02, 2008, 05:26:13 PM »

my .243 mk2 was a 2" rifle at best. and it was a heartbreak both times i bought ruger centerfires, because they are beautiful and well-made and built like a tank and i really liked them and felt like i got a good value.

then i took them to the range and felt like someone punched me in the stomach.

i really like CZ'S rifles, maybe that's where I need to look next.

-Matt

kyelkhunter3006 · « **Reply #28 on:** September 03, 2008, 10:04:58 AM »

CZ's are probably the best value vs $$ spent on the market today. A little on the heavy side for some people, but they are NICE.

Graybeard · « **Reply #29 on:** September 03, 2008, 10:14:08 AM »

Quote from: kyelkhunter3006 on September 02, 2008, 02:53:43 PM

I agree that the Mini's and factory 10-22's stink as they come from the factory. I must be lucky, cause in the course of owning a couple of #1's, a couple of M77's, and shooting probably 12 more between the two, I've never met a bad shooter. I'll be the first to admit that they weren't all MOA guns, but out to 300 yds on a game animal, MOA isn't that important.

Of course, with those guns, I've never had a problem with the bolt stops (M77), extractors, ejectors, or trigger parts breaking.

I can't say that about the Remington's I've had, since I had all of these issues at one time or the other.

You must be mighty tough on your guns or have had the bad luck to buy the few defective ones out there or maybe that were previously abused by someone else. I darn say it's doubtful anyone on here has owned more Remington rifles than me. I don't have a good count any more but it's well over 100 by now for sure. I've NEVER yet had any of those parts break on any of mine and I do use but not abuse them.

I've owned but few Ruger rifles but none have been acceptable in performance so far. I won't say for sure never ever again but it's unlikely another Ruger rifle would come home with me.