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Why so quiet.... and food storage.
« on: July 21, 2008, 05:45:25 AM »
With everything going on in the World today, I am surprised this isn't a busier area of the board. 

Any folks starting food storage or anything else they care to share?

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Re: Why so quiet.... and food storage.
« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2008, 07:30:22 AM »
I've been stocking food supplies for the last several months getting ready for harder times which I think we will see in the near future. I guess the reason most are quite is we don't want to let anyone know where our food caches are so the non-working group will be looking for it. If you have more than the FDIC limit ($100,000 checking saving or $250,000 IRA) in any bank accounts, you might want to spread your money or IRA's out to some more accounts so they will be FDIC insured if more banks go under.
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Re: Why so quiet.... and food storage.
« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2008, 12:26:09 PM »
Some fellow preppers and myself have been looking for a safe(food grade/low aflatoxin) source of food grade whole corn for storage.  Have you heard of a good source.  I spoke with folks from a local mill that makes corn meal products, and have recieved confilicting reports of whether or not the corn they sell for feed is the same as they grind up into meal. 

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Re: Why so quiet.... and food storage.
« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2008, 12:29:48 PM »
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Re: Why so quiet.... and food storage.
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2008, 01:21:09 PM »
Some fellow preppers and myself have been looking for a safe(food grade/low aflatoxin) source of food grade whole corn for storage.  Have you heard of a good source.  I spoke with folks from a local mill that makes corn meal products, and have recieved confilicting reports of whether or not the corn they sell for feed is the same as they grind up into meal. 

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I think that the feed corn is not the same corn and shouldn't be used for food products.
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Re: Why so quiet.... and food storage.
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2008, 01:22:53 PM »
I've got some silver, but don't know if I'd get rooked on buying gold at it's prices on today's market.
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Re: Why so quiet.... and food storage.
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2008, 05:24:55 PM »
I'm off of buying gold for a while; Gold is 4X what it was 9/11, but guns and ammo are only about 2X. Food is about 1.5X.

I suspect most people here are "survivalists" in outlook, even if they don't think so or make any noise about it. It's just about  being ready if there's hard times, and hard times always come back.

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Re: Why so quiet.... and food storage.
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2008, 12:01:28 AM »
No one want to be thought of as a nut job. Things aren't like the late 70s and early 80s but there is this "uneasy feeling".


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Re: Why so quiet.... and food storage.
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2008, 10:12:30 AM »
And we're on the verge of electing a certified nut job pres.

There is an outfit that sells bulk long term storeage food stuffs. We used to buy their oatmeal in 5 gal buckets that was packed in nitrogen to retard deterioration. We bought it because it was better oatmeal than the Quaker stuff off the shelf. The wife makes an oatmeal cookie to die for.

I think the outfit is Walton Feed out of Idaho, they are redoing their website at the moment so I can't be sure. I think they also sell grains to be ground. By buying from them you'll have to pay some fancy shipping charges where it would be a lot chieper th go to the local feed store, but maybe you can garner some information from their web site ads when they get it running again.

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Re: Why so quiet.... and food storage.
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2008, 11:31:27 AM »
I worry, or just figure, that if I don't go all out with massive food stores, fuel, water, etc than why bother. 

I know I need to start atleast packing away some things, but where to start without feeling like a "nut job"
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Re: Why so quiet.... and food storage.
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2008, 05:13:31 PM »
I know I need to start atleast packing away some things, but where to start without feeling like a "nut job"
Compare how much buying in bulk saves over buying by the week.

For the grains -- Are you where you can keep chickens?

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Re: Why so quiet.... and food storage.
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2008, 05:10:41 PM »
I worry, or just figure, that if I don't go all out with massive food stores, fuel, water, etc than why bother. 

I know I need to start atleast packing away some things, but where to start without feeling like a "nut job"

You can start really easily with getting at least a three month supply of normal things you already eat.  "Normal" canned goods, and flour and such.  That three month supply is easily replenished and rotated.  Then you can start on long term storage stuff.  As far as feeling like a nut job, I figure if nothing happens, the grandkids can laugh about grandpa's crazy food prep.  On the other hand, if we do hit another depression or worse, then at least my family will eat.  It doesn't take a long time, or a lot of money to get enough canned goods, rice, beans, powdered milk, sugar, salt, and wheat to last a year. 

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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2008, 05:01:00 PM »
Calm before the storm.  gypsyman
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Re: Why so quiet.... and food storage.
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2008, 06:21:04 AM »
how long do you reckon canned juices will last? will they last as long as canned food? thank you for your input.

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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2008, 03:05:47 PM »
Get yourself a 100 # sack if beans. Cheap, nutritious, easy to store.

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Re: Why so quiet.... and food storage.
« Reply #15 on: January 01, 2009, 11:45:09 AM »
how long do you reckon canned juices will last? will they last as long as canned food? thank you for your input.
There should be an expiration date somewhere on the can.
With some can codes,might be best to write to the company.
Properly done,canned foods (canned fruit I am familiar with) should last
from 5 to 7 years.
It depends on QC,and the cooker temperature.
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Re: Why so quiet.... and food storage.
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2009, 03:49:58 PM »
Dear Folks,

  Just some thoughts on prior comments, based on some observations.  I lived, farmed and hunted on my farm as an adult for 15 years.

   1.  Corn?  Corn is absolutely the last thing you would want to try to store or plant.  Corn has very very low nutrition value for its weight.  It is extremely hard (and time consuming) to plant and cultivate for the yield you get.  And, the plants are very delicate.  The seed you would buy would probably hybrid, which means it is sterile and will only grow one year.  (The seed it yields will not grow).  99% of all corn in the U.S. is feed corn (sometimes called field corn) and is for feeding cattle.  It tastes like wood, and is not for human consumption.  What people eat is called sweet corn, and is even more delicate and hard to grow than feed corn.

   2.  Beans. Beans are what you would want to store and plant.  Kidney beans and other large beans are practically the perfect food.  They contain protein, carbohydrates, sugar, fiber, vitamins.   When planted in properly prepared soil, beans (especially bush beans) are easy to grow and care for.  Soybeans are also an almost perfect food. You can also squeeze oil from them.  About a third of the planet lives on beans, rice, and a small amount of meat or fish (primarily as flavoring), and they are HEALTHIER than we are!  (Rice is hard to grow, but think about potatoes.  Pretty easy to plant and grow.)

  3.  In virtually every survival/outdoor book I have ever read, folks spend about 99% of their time on THREE things.  (i) keeping warm, (ii) keeping dry, and (iii) finding clean drinking water.  So, whatever "circumstance" you think you will find yourself in, be sure you have invested in stuff to cover these things in spades!  (matches, lighters, ponchos, 6 mil plastic, water filters, water purifiers, water containers, something big enough to boil water in).  If you get too cold, or too wet, or don't have clean water to drink, you will die very quickly!  Then, all of those guns and cases of 7.62x39 you have won't be worth squat.

  4.  Hunting for big game?  Forget it!  You would need to hunker down, stay close at home, dig in and hide.  Wandering around in the woods looking for a deer will get you killed.  If you have to count on big game hunting, then you haven't planned very well at all.  You are better off pre-digging your garden, and making sure you have lots of vegetable seeds of the different types that you will need for your garden. You don't need meat to live!     (Personally, as soon as the balloon goes up, I'm driving down the road, shooting a feeder calf in a neighbor's pasture, quickly field dressing it, dragging it home with a chain behind my Nissan Pathfinder,  and starting up a fire to jerk it.  My neighbor can send me a bill!)

  5.  Instead of big game hunting, think about the fact that birds are really really easy to attract (especially mourning dove and other larger birds) with something as simple as a bird bath and some bird seed.  Set it up, build a little blind 15 yards away, and pick them off every morning on the bird bath or feeder with a .177 caliber air rifle.  You could easily take 10 every morning in this fashion, since they return about 5 minutes after any disturbance. Then, simply clean and pluck your kill, and put them in a stew pot.

   6.  A good garden attracts lots of small game, especially if you leave lots of brush and weeds around it.  Again, use the air rifle.

   7.  Got salt?  You had better have hundreds of pounds of it sacked away. Cattle salt in bags from the feed store may not be a bad way to go.

   8.  Buy a huge mineral block from the feed store (the brown colored cattle block). You and your family are going to need the iodine and other minerals in it.  Don't worry.  They are cheap.

   8.  Sugar.  Forget it. You don't need it.  Empy calories and rots your teeth.

   9.  Trade goods?  Cheapest and smallest to trade:  .22lr ammo,  small airline bottles of whisky (although, if you have a place to store it, a huge bottle of Jack that you could dole out in small bottles would be alot cheaper), cigarettes, coffee, lighters, aspirin, hard round candy, the little Burpe's envelopes of vegetable seeds, Krazy glue, tiny sewing kits, tiny bars of soap like the hotels give you, tooth brushes, and some instant coffee.   

   10.  Once things calm down a little, you are far better off trading a few trade goods to get a few chickens (and then breeding them) than wandering around the countryside trying to kill a wild boar or a
deer.
 
   12.  Like it or not, you are going to have to "commune up."  One family alone can't survive.

   13.  Survival is going to be extremely tedious, filthy, gross, horrible and boring.  And then comes the plague.

Just some thoughts.

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Re: Why so quiet.... and food storage.
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2009, 02:35:15 AM »
Some good ideas Manny. I agree with your assesment of hunting. Also game will quickly disappear when everybody who gets hungry shoots a deer whenever they want, I expect the same will happen to birds too. The first homesteaders quickly killed the game where ever they went. Deer have returned to places like eastern Nebraska only reciently. The population dynamics are exactly reversed now. Lots of game and few people then, lots of people and little game now.

 I disagree about corn. Sweet corn would be the last thing you would want to grow for subsistance. It is highly hybredized and when it is dry it shrivels up to nothing. True strains of Indian corn would be what you would want to grow. I don't know where this idea that corn is animal feed and no good for humans came from but it is greatly overblown. There are Indian ruins in the southwest where you can still see the little corn cobs littering the ground. The hybrid varieties grown in the big fields for specific purposes like cattle feed or ethanol may not be much, but you couldn't grow that kind anyway, they are all specialized hybrids.

Again I say look at how the people who were the best adapted to living in a natural North American environment did it. Corn beans and squash were their big three.

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« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2009, 02:45:03 AM »
My mind goes into gear as soon as I push the send button. As far as trade goods. I would expect that trade goods will be important. I don't know if I would want to trade in alcohol, it makes people crazy. Bullets may be dangerous too, but being a supplier within my community is something that I hope an old man can do to make himself useful to society. I am hoping that the ability to create ammunition will earn me a place. 

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« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2009, 08:00:57 AM »
Hey Bilmac,

   Good points. I forgot about squash.  It grows GREAT (on the east coast) with almost no care.  I'm not sure how much nutrition it has.  I'll need to research that.

   As to corn, you can go on line and do some research.  Corn is really nothing but water, starch and sugars.  It has very little food or nutritional value.  Yea, it fills you up, but it doesn't help your body much.  It leads to obesity and high blood pressure.  And, it absolutely drains the soil.  Again, I would skip it all together.

   Another great plant is the turnip!  It grows very well, even into the winter, tastes pretty good, and produces greens that taste good (got salt?) and are rich in vitamins.

    Tomatoes are very easy to grow too, and the main benefit is lots of Vitamin C.  (In the north, you might never see an orange or grapefruit again!)

    Speaking of something cheap and essential to buy:  Got a few rolls of chickenwire?   With it, you can easily raise chickens, ducks and rabbits. Without it, you are sunk.  (Even if you don't raise animals, you will definitely need it to keep rabbits and skunks out of your garden!)

    Again, I am a big fan of a high quality air rifle in .177 with a scope, as this will easy kill varmints, squirrels and garden pests up to about 25 yards, and you would use this about 10 times more than your .22LR.
 
   My wife's grandmother was born on the plains of South Dakota in 1892, in a sod hut.  She lived to be 102.  I talked to her extensively back in the mid 1970s, when her mind was still clear as a bell, and asked her everything about growing up on a farm in those days.

  Two things she said struck me.  First, they didn't eat meat every day. Only about 2 or maybe 3 times a week.  They loved Sunday afternoons, because that's when they killed a chicken or two and had a nice dinner.   

    Second, she said that when a neighbor got sick with any type of illness or disease, you did not go further than the first step of their front porch steps.  You would go to the step, call to the house, ask them how they were, and then leave a little basket of food on the front steps, and maybe a bucket of water, and then leave.  They either got well, or they died, but this practice helped prevent any wide spread of infectuous disease.

   She said she was very healthy growing up, and really can't remember being sick (except standard measles and chickenpox).  But, she remembered that it seemed like about 1 in 4 babies died within a year or so of being born.

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Mannyrock

   



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Re: Why so quiet.... and food storage.
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2009, 08:31:59 AM »
Some good points that you posted mannycock. I wasn't in agreement with one though about driving down the road and shooting a feeder calf, especially after you mentioned the trade goods for bartering purposes. I would have tried doing some bartering and not took advantage of my neighbor that way as I wouldn't want him to raid my crop when I wasn't looking. Plus in my state, I think it may be a felony crime to do that with someone's livestock.  ;)
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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2009, 09:54:35 AM »
Alman,

   Yes you are right.  I was only being sarcastic about shooting a neighbor's feeder calf.  It would be a felony everywhere.    It would be better to buy it from him for cash at the outset (if he thinks money is worth anything) or trade for it later (when he is running out of whiskey and cattle feed).

   Regards, Mannyrock

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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2009, 11:14:14 AM »
If the SHTF, he would probably be willing to barter or sell to get a little moola for himself. Anyway, you made some excellent suggestions that others should heed.  ;D
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