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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #60 on: August 04, 2008, 05:40:56 AM »
Hmmm, that would seem to be a slight mis-quote of Elmer Keith's famous diatribe to Jack O'Connor's beloved .270 Winchester....."makes a damned adequate coyote rifle."

Actually, Elmer got the idea from me so it is really a matter of him mis-quoteing a statement of mine!   ::)  Sides, if the 270 was a "damned adequate coyote rifle" then the 243 would be an adequate coyote rifle and I said it was a fine one!  So your criticism of me was close, but, as Clinton said, "no cigar!"   :-*
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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #61 on: August 04, 2008, 05:53:15 AM »
beeman and altlaw...Let us know what went wrong and the details of your problems with the cartridge, maybe we can help...

I don't know about Bee, but I've posted my experiences more then once in these "you hurt my feelings by daring to imply the 243 Win isn't the best cartridge to ever come along" threads.   :)  While I don't intend to post them again, I will say I own one 243; a Browning Low Wall just like GB's.  Love the rifle, killed a bunch of deer with it.  But if it wasn't for that rifle I wouldn't have a 243 and would not feel like I was missing anything.  My opinion is that it is a marginal deer caliber.  YMMV.  The brass necks up to 260 or 7/08 real easy though.   ;D
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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #62 on: August 04, 2008, 06:51:40 AM »


 The brass necks up to 260 or 7/08 real easy though.   ;D
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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #63 on: August 04, 2008, 09:16:26 AM »
Hmmm, that would seem to be a slight mis-quote of Elmer Keith's famous diatribe to Jack O'Connor's beloved .270 Winchester....."makes a damned adequate coyote rifle."

Actually, Elmer got the idea from me so it is really a matter of him mis-quoteing a statement of mine!   ::)  Sides, if the 270 was a "damned adequate coyote rifle" then the 243 would be an adequate coyote rifle and I said it was a fine one!  So your criticism of me was close, but, as Clinton said, "no cigar!"   :-*

Hmm, I thought Clinton said "only the cigar....".    ::).  If you've killed a bunch of deer with the .243, must be more than a marginal caliber for you.  After all, why would you keep killing deer with a round that you think is isn't up to the task?  Guess it's now "do as I say, not as I do" time..............

Don't get me wrong, there are better calibers for game than the .243, and I think that the .260 and 7/08 are a couple of the best.  But the basic fact remains that the .243 is fine for deer and will kill as dead an anything else will.

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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #64 on: August 04, 2008, 09:42:09 AM »
[why would you keep killing deer with a round that you think is isn't up to the task?

GACK!!!    THWIPPPPPPPPPPTH!!   :o  I never said the 243 wouldn't kill deer!  I never said the 243 wasn't up to the task!  I said it was, in my personal opinion, marginal in whatever killin god's you pray to realm!   Why is that concept so hard for people to understand!?  ::)  You make a comment about the 243 being marginal and you get a million "I guess nobody ever told those umpty-nine gazillion deer I've killed with my 243 that it is a marginal caliber!"  or "at what time during the deers demise did the (243) bullet fail!?"  Actually you get that one by knocking someones choice of projectile, but you are all alike...   Anyway soon these people are sending you PM's or sometimes post that they gonna whip your butt for daring to suggest such a thing!   :-\ 

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Guess it's now "do as I say, not as I do" time..............

Darn sure is!  At least for my kids (5, youngest is 30) or my baby lawyers... 8)

See, you done got me in this thread after all!  It's a plot I tell you!  You 243 people are trying to give me a heart attack!   :'(
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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #65 on: August 04, 2008, 10:39:38 AM »
Easy now!!! Y'all gotta know that the .243 is right on the lower edge of respectability as a big game round.  Yep, it kills 'em.  Yep, it's killed a bunch of 'em.  Some folks swear by it... some swear at it.  Some use it (like me) in specialized situations.  I don't take my 6mm in the swamps or somewhere that a poor hit or bad bullets could result in having to cross someones fence or property.  I use it for some of the bigger open fields...  I don't know, I guess it would make a fine elk and moose round... but I won't use it for such, but I'm sure somewhere it's the cat's meow for kudu...  I prefer to pick my round to suit what I'm going to be doing that day... but then, I guess I could just forget about all the fun of the choices and sell all them rifle-guns and such and just stick with my boring but nearly perfect .30-'06... since everyone knows that the .308 ain't no good anyhow... (nothing like stirring two pots at once huh?)


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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #66 on: August 04, 2008, 10:46:29 AM »
[why would you keep killing deer with a round that you think is isn't up to the task?

GACK!!!    THWIPPPPPPPPPPTH!!   :o  I never said the 243 wouldn't kill deer!  I never said the 243 wasn't up to the task!  I said it was, in my personal opinion, marginal in whatever killin god's you pray to realm!   Why is that concept so hard for people to understand!?  ::)  You make a comment about the 243 being marginal and you get a million "I guess nobody ever told those umpty-nine gazillion deer I've killed with my 243 that it is a marginal caliber!"  or "at what time during the deers demise did the (243) bullet fail!?"  Actually you get that one by knocking someones choice of projectile, but you are all alike...   Anyway soon these people are sending you PM's or sometimes post that they gonna whip your butt for daring to suggest such a thing!   :-\ 

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Guess it's now "do as I say, not as I do" time..............

Darn sure is!  At least for my kids (5, youngest is 30) or my baby lawyers... 8)

See, you done got me in this thread after all!  It's a plot I tell you!  You 243 people are trying to give me a heart attack!   :'(

LMAO.   I'm not a ".243 person", per se.  I haven't owned one for years (still looking for the perfect one though), I just happen the think that the .243 does a fine job on deer.  Anymore, I hunt just about everything that I legally can with my T/C Omega or some other smoke pole.  Or maybe with my 30-06, depending on the mood.  If it makes you feel better, I just emailed E.R. Shaw for a quote on one of their new semi-custom rifles.  Caliber?  .260 and 6.5x55.   ;D

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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #67 on: August 04, 2008, 10:53:29 AM »
LMAO.

 :-*

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I just emailed E.R. Shaw for a quote on one of their new semi-custom rifles.  Caliber?  .260 and 6.5x55.   ;D

COOL!!   :o
Start another thread about it so we don't hijack this one!  Inquireing minds have things they want to know!   ;D
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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #68 on: August 04, 2008, 11:04:06 AM »
COOL!!   :o
Start another thread about it so we don't hijack this one!  Inquireing minds have things they want to know!   ;D

Seconded!!!!!!!   And some more !!!'s.

I had no idea they had this setup and would be eager to learn more.

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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #69 on: August 04, 2008, 11:08:08 AM »
Back to the .243......it's fun to watch everyone get riled up.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/392257/hunting_with_the_243_winchester_possibly.html?cat=11

Hunting with the .243 Winchester - Possibly the Perfect Deer Round
 
By george chavez, published Sep 28, 2007


The .243 Winchester has been around for some time. It has been used to take a multitude of game from prairie dogs to moose. Yet some macho hunters consider this round underpowered for even deer. They could not be more wrong.

The .243 Winchester is a wonderful round. It is accurate, has light recoil and hits with enough authority to take deer sized game cleanly and humanely. The .243 is a necked down version of the .308 Winchester. It is normally factory loaded with bullets which weigh from 80 to 100 grains. Those who hand load have a choice of weights all the way up to 105 grains. It pushes these bullets anywhere from 2700 to 2900 feet per second with plenty of foot pounds of energy to do the job.

I bought my wife a Winchester model 70 many years ago. The caliber .243. It is the only center fire rifle she has owned. She hunts with me often. And I have seen her take many deer and several antelope with this rifle. It has performed spectacularly in the field. In fact my wife has taken the better of buck antelope between the two of us. On that hunt I watched in amazement when she sent an eighty grain Speer bullet downrange and knocked that antelope buck head over heels at about two-hundred and fifty yards.

In my hunting experience I have used many different calibers for my hunts, from the 22-250 Remington, to the .338 Winchester magnum. Of all of the rifles I've owned I feel my favorite is the 7mm Remington magnum. But when I really think about it I could have taken every head of game I have with a .243 Winchester. I am slow to admit it but it is the truth.

This round has caused the demise of several comparative rounds. When Winchester brought out the .243 Remington brought out a similar round called the .244. The Winchester round proved to be more effective and won the sales war hands down. Remington redesigned the .244 and called it the 6 millimeter Remington but it was too little too late. The .250 Savage and the .257 Roberts were likewise overshadowed by the performance of the .243.

There is an old saying amongst hunters and soldiers alike. It is Beware of the man who owns one rifle. The reason for this belief is that to use one rifle makes the shooter/hunter more proficient, yes more intimate, with this one rifle. Well my wife has owned the one rifle and she is a crack shot. I must say I am a believer. Of course I take pride in saying i reload for her. And I must say the .243 is very easy and actually pleasurable to reload.

I believe the .243 Winchester is a perfect rifle for deer sized game out to about 300 yards. I also believe it is also a good varmint round with inherent accuracy. In the deep woods though I would probably, and I mean deep woods, steer toward a brush buster like the 30-30 Winchester or .35 Remington. But all-in-all the .243 is hard to beat as the perfect deer rifle. I may need to get me one.




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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #70 on: August 04, 2008, 12:12:20 PM »
I shot 2 deer with a .300 win mag a few years back. I shot both deer at the same distance, same angle, same bullet. The first one fell over DRT, barely kicked. The second one ran close to 100 yards. So I guess that the 180 grain Sierra Gameking out of a .300 win mag is a marginal deer round. I have shot a few deer with a .243 / 100gr Nosler and had different reactions. 1 fell over DRT, 1 ran about 25 yards and fell over, 1 ran just over 100 yards and layed down. All were broadside lung shots. I shot a buck one morning right at daylight. I aimed for lungs with a 30/30 150gr Silvertip, shot and the deer jumped and spun around. I thought I missed. I shot again for lungs and the deer jumped and ran less than 20 yards and stood still. I thought I missed again. I shot a third time and the deer took off running. He ran 125 yards before falling over. Upon finding him I found that I had put all 3 rounds through the lungs/heart.

The fact is that deer don't follow the rules after being shot. Not many animals do. I shot an armidillo with .44mag hollowpoint out of a rifle and the dang thing ran off, way off. Is the .44mag 240gr hollowpoint marginal for dillers?

Things happen while hunting. I have helped track deer shot with every 30-06 that should have died within a few steps. No matter how many deer you have killed with whatever caliber, there is not a formula you can use to tell you what will happen the next time you shoot one.

I plan to kill a few deer with a .243 this year. I hope the deer plan to die close to the truck. That is all I really care about.
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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #71 on: August 04, 2008, 12:26:13 PM »
This is quality entertainment !  :D
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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #72 on: August 04, 2008, 12:36:14 PM »
I agree. Anytime the .243 is brought up, it turns quickly into a That round is the Best Ever Vs. That round is Horrible grudge match.
Fun to watch.....and you can actually get some good info from both sides to digest and make your own choices from.
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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #73 on: August 04, 2008, 01:08:23 PM »
This is quality entertainment !  :D

Heavens knows I try...  ::)
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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #74 on: August 04, 2008, 01:14:04 PM »
Back to the .243......it's fun to watch everyone get riled up.

sadist...  ;)

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In the deep woods though I would probably, and I mean deep woods, steer toward a brush buster like the 30-30 Winchester or .35 Remington.

And you cite a guy who touts the "brush buster" myth as an authority?    :D

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I may need to get me one.

 :o   :P  he may need to get one????   ::)
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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #75 on: August 04, 2008, 01:20:08 PM »
I agree, I hate to hear anyone say "Brush buster"

1. Doesn't work like that
2. Unsafe
3. Unethical
Growing up that's what guys would say.  Now, I teach against any type of shot like that.

Interesting how you saw that at the end of his article.  He writes a whole story on the .243, then says I may need to get one ??!!
Oh wait, that's how journalism works these days  :)
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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #76 on: August 04, 2008, 01:34:56 PM »
I agree, I hate to hear anyone say "Brush buster"

That's also a pet peeve of mine.  Especially when sales guys do it.  I was in a local pawn shop a good while back and was looking at a .30-30 (that I did end up buying) and the sales guy started talking about how good the .30-30 was as a "brush buster".  Sometimes you just wanna tell somebody they're an idiot but business dealings require that you hold your tongue.

Of course, this is the same shop that when I bought a sporterized SMLE No 1 Mk 3 from them, they had it marked as a Nagant (not even Mosin Nagant - just "Nagant" which is technically a revolver).  I told them before I bought it that it was actually a "Lee Enfield" and they didn't seem to pay me any mind. Two of them got together when they were filling out their logbook and sure enough when one asked the model they said "Nagant", and when writing in the caliber they decided between the two of them that it must be "7.62x39  . . . like the SKS".  I tried to get their attention twice to tell them it was actually a .303 Brit but they ignored me and I didn't bother to try again.  The guys there are idiots when it comes to guns - at least sometimes they underprice stuff and you get it at a deal though.

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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #77 on: August 04, 2008, 01:36:30 PM »
As I posted in another thread:  I haven't any steps to push a slinky down so watching the popgun shooters turn red in the face is some of the best entertainment I have.  That and watching Obama run for President of Germany.  ;)

Have you noticed, of the various cartridges, the .243 is the only one that the users feel called upon to try to justify.  I'm glad old George was able to string together enough old wive's tales and trite adages and general BS  to come up with an article.  Obviously they were paying him by the word. Of course, a myriad of cartridges could have been substituted for the .243 and the article would still be reasonably correct.  Maybe that was old George's plan, just change it around a little each month and sell it to a different gun rag?  Whatta you think??  :D

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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #78 on: August 04, 2008, 02:54:04 PM »
I hope Obama wins. In Germany!  ;)  The .243 for deer is a annual favorite for me to participate in. I just can't not do it !  :o  ::)

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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #79 on: August 04, 2008, 03:22:08 PM »
LMAO.

 :-*

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I just emailed E.R. Shaw for a quote on one of their new semi-custom rifles.  Caliber?  .260 and 6.5x55.   ;D

COOL!!   :o
Start another thread about it so we don't hijack this one!  Inquireing minds have things they want to know!   ;D

The new thread is now posted, for those who need to know..............

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« Reply #80 on: August 04, 2008, 03:49:48 PM »
I'v got a friend in colo. that takes at least two elk every year with one. It may be too small but we always have elk to eat and have yet to have to trail one over 150 yds.
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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #81 on: August 04, 2008, 06:42:00 PM »
The intention of my original post was to obtain the performance of the 243 Win from those who actually have hunted with it. Maybe I should of been explicit but i wanted to hear the good and the bad reports of the caliber but that was my goal. So far however I have seen positive results from a majority of the users and honestly have been suprised as to the number of good experiences versus the bad at which the good out number the bad by a pretty good margin. I say suprised because of all the posts and reports of those who say the 243 Win is not enough but appear to never have actually hunted with one. As to whether more of those who have had bad experiences have not yet or choose not to leave their feedback and change the ratio I do not know, so I will take it at face value for now. As to the persons who thinks that anyone wants to bash those who use real guns, I have yet to find in the manual of a gun from 243 Win down to a pellet rifle that states that they are not real guns. I know its a metaphor and an attempt to push the " real man " button but it is both predictable and juvenile. Trust me theres no conspiracy. I am still looking forward to hear more of the good and the bad of the 243 Win as I want to be more informed, although I would not be suprised to start seeing fake bad experiences now that I mentioned it. And if anyone believes that only real men are those who shoot the bigger calibers yet still flinch and better yet close their eyes in anticipation of the recoil, then they might as well take a mallet and beat themselves with it as either do not make any sense.

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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #82 on: August 04, 2008, 08:18:23 PM »
I totally agree with AtlLaw, its my opinion, when you step up from the 243 to 260, 7mm-08 or 308, you get a much better deer hunting cartridge!

Please note, I'm not saying the 243 will not kill deer, its just my opinion the 260, 7mm-08, and 308 do a better job!

For the record, I've personally hunted and killed killed deer with the 243, 7mm-08, and the 308 Win. I've also seen my hunting buddies kill deer with the 260.

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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #83 on: August 05, 2008, 12:54:10 AM »
Any properly constructed bullet that will penetrate 12-15 inches at 2800 fps or so will kill a deer IF ya' don't hit a big bone.  It will kill an elk or moose as well, IF you have good placement and good bullets.  The smaller lighter bullets will also be stopped more easily by bones.  They will break apart more easily than a heavier bullet also.  IMHO - the .243/6mm is a GREAT coyote round.  It's a pretty Ground Hog round too.  Too much powder and recoil for prairie dogs on a regular basis though.  It's a nice deer round for smaller deer that are calm and still, perhaps feeding in a green field or crop field.  That's my opinion.  Not necessarily a fact, but my opinion.  In my opinion, stepping up in caliber and weight gives bullet designers a bit more leeway to provide a projectile that will regularly be able to bust through bone without disintegrating or stopping.  Also, I prefer a complete pass through if possible.  Yeah, I've killed a couple with my 6mm but didn't get the pass through.  Neither went far, and they were easy to find.  I still prefer my .308 or bigger...  my wife likes the 6mm for shooting since it's a heavy barrel and that tames the kick.  I fixed that with my .308 by putting a kilo of #9 shot in the butt of it.... Maybe she'll like the .308 now.  Heck, I'm through here... you've read enough to realize that the .243/6mm will kill deer but it might be more sensitive to shot placement and bullet selection... have fun, shoot straight and enjoy them backstraps...


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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #84 on: August 05, 2008, 04:28:03 AM »
Sorry, Trendy, that fluttery thing laying at your feet is a B---S--- flag.  Go back and read your own post. The first one. If truth and light was what you sought, why did you feel the need to include the snotty little ego stroking remarks about magnum shooters and spoilt meat, etc?  A simple little "Let's hear about your hunting experiences with a .243, good and bad?" would have handled it don't you think?  But you choose to editorialize and try to skew the survey and imply that any digs or reports of flinching or wounded animals fleeing that were subsequently killed deader than a wedge by the mighty .243 would be given extra points.
And your last post is just as bad: "gee guys, I just wanted to find out about the .243, etc, etc"  I may print out your posts, shred them, and put them around my tomatoes.  I don't know how you confuse the concept of shooting a gun with manhood?  Maybe you have some (not so) deep seated issues?  "I can kill the biggest animal with the smallest rifle and the teeniest bullet" or perhaps, "I can kill stuff further away than you can" and finally, "my bullet goes faster than yours does, neener neener neener". That you bring it up is of interest. ;)  I am blest that I am free from those issues. To me it is still called hunting and stalking and where the manhood comes in is having respect for the quarry and giving it as quick and humane a death as possible.  Robert Ruark was not a computer age gun rag hack and he never wrote an article about "see how far I can snipe a deer with a little bitty gun" but he did say "use enough gun".  :D

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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #85 on: August 05, 2008, 04:45:58 AM »
I say suprised because of all the posts and reports of those who say the 243 Win is not enough but appear to never have actually hunted with one.

Actually, I think you'll find that most people who posted in this particular thread HAD hunted with one.  I haven't really posted much on it because I've never hunted with one, but it's not a big stretch to admit that it is a fine deer round, but that it (like other cartridges) does have it's limitations and those limitations are going to be a bit more restrictive than some bigger/more powerful rounds.  .30-30 for example is a wonderful deer round, but there are certain situations where you might have to pass up a shot that would have been pretty reasonable had you been carrying a .30-06 for example.  That doesn't mean that the .30-30 isn't good for deer, or that the guy who totes one is more of a "man" than the other.  It's just the simple facts behind the ballistics.  It's not an insult on manhood or anything to recognize and work within the limitations of your gear.

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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #86 on: August 05, 2008, 08:29:45 AM »
Alright, I'm going to violate my rule and be serious here; mostly because one of the OP's statements touched on an personal integrity issue.

The intention of my original post was to obtain the performance of the 243 Win from those who actually have hunted with it.   Maybe I should of been explicit but i wanted to hear the good and the bad reports of the caliber but that was my goal. So far however I have seen positive results from a majority of the users and honestly have been surprised as to the number of good experiences versus the bad at which the good out number the bad by a pretty good margin. ... As to whether more of those who have had bad experiences have not yet or choose not to leave their feedback and change the ratio I do not know, so I will take it at face value for now.

Did you do a search of prior threads on this subject?  I believe you will find there are plenty.  If you wanted to do some form of statistical analysis you could have broadened your potential data base by looking up what had been said before about your topic.  Of course if you just started the topic to get a discussion going on a subject you find interesting, then why would you want to criticise those who choose not to respond?  It may be that people who like the 243 as a deer cartridge are enthused about what they like and respond.  It may be that people who think the 243 is a marginal deer cartridge have said it here on GB's before and don't see the need to keep criticising the round, especially when it is so highly thought of by many others on the forum.

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I say surprised because of all the posts and reports of those who say the 243 Win is not enough but appear to never have actually hunted with one.

Be carefull when you say "all."  If someone posted an experience as his reason for thinking the 243 was marginal, you are saying he made up the experience.  And, if someone hasn't hunted with a 243 but posts anyway, you are telling him his participation is meaningless and not wanted.

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I am still looking forward to hear more of the good and the bad of the 243 Win as I want to be more informed, although I would not be surprised to start seeing fake bad experiences now that I mentioned it.

You do your forum mates an injustice by saying they would lie in a post just because you challenged them into replying.  One should never question the personal integrity of someone without good cause and without the ability to prove your assertion.
Let me respond to your query then, even though I have done it before:
As best I remember, the last 2 deer I killed with my 243 were small 8 pointers, about 125 yds, standing broadside shots.  One dropped at the shot, tried to get up and run, then died.  The other ran at the shot, maybe 75 - 100 yds then died.  On both bucks there was no exit wound and no blood outside the body.  The hand load I was using was a 100 gr. Sierra BTSP and enough REL22 to give me 2950 +/-.  Look up my post for more details.  I want an exit wound to increase the odds of a blood trail.  Am I lying or telling the truth?

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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #87 on: August 05, 2008, 08:42:11 AM »


I think, for whatever that's worth, that these forums are for fun and maybe (hopefully) some illumination; discussions, sometimes animated, not argument or name calling.

Can this be made a "Sticky" on each and every forum out there?
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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #88 on: August 05, 2008, 09:44:06 AM »
atlaw...Thanks for posting specifics...I killed 8-10 deer with the 100gr Sierra SPBT GameKing in the Federal Premium loading...My experience mirrows yours...
They killed deer and were reliable with both high shoulder shots and lung shots but the lack of an exit on lung shots bothered me...

I've tried at least 10 factory loadings and found that if you needed/wanted an exit wound then you were best sticking to the
100gr Remington CoreLokt
100gr Hornady SP Custom InterLokt
100gr Federal Premium Nosler Partition
100gr Speer Nitrex GrandSlam

In fact, I had more exit wounds with the Federal Premium 85gr HPBT GameKing than the 100gr Sierra SPBT GameKings...
I also seldom had exit wounds with the Winchester 100gr PowerPoints, in both the Supremes and the standard box...

The funny thing is that my one of my brothers and his son also use the Sierra GameKings in their .270s...They seldom have an exit
wound on lung shots as well...I've killed several deer with his gun as well and often thought that he would be better off with a "harder"
bullet, but they group well in his guns and he just doesn't want to change...

On the other end of the spectrum was the Remington Priemier 100gr SPBT that was on the market several years ago...I always got an exit
wound, even on high shoulder shot deer...Lung shot deer had an exit wound about the size of a nickle, whereas the standart CoreLokt on
lung shot deer will be about an inch and a half...If this had of been the only bullet that I had for deer, I would have not been impressed...
Lung shot deer ran 75-125 yards, with standard CoreLokts they usually run 30-75 yards...Fortunately Remington pulled them off the market
when they came with their bonded CoreLokts, makes me wonder if they are a bit hard as well...

I believe that for a given caliber and used for specific game, like deer then there are a few bullets that will excell...I want a bullet that is hard enough
to exit on lung shot deer and give a good sized exit hole and also hard  enough to penetrate both shoulder blades if needed...If a man is killing his deer within
100 yards than his requirements might be different than one sitting over a bean field where shots can run out to 300 yards...Thankfully, we have plenty of 
excellent bullets in most common calibers to choose from...

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Re: Survey Of Actual 243 Win Hunters
« Reply #89 on: August 05, 2008, 11:30:05 AM »
I've said before that had Winchester brought out the .243 with a decent 120-140gr bullet (as well as the 100gr for coyotes ;) ), we wouldn't be having this conversation. Nor would the 7-08 be held in such high regard if, in fact, it even made it off the drawing board.  The .260 would probably be an unknown. But, the guys with the ties decided that they would stick with 100gr and claim all sorts of velocity since not every kid on the block had a Chrony back then and, of course, speed is something everybody can understand. Just look at NASCAR. Don'tchaknow. Also it's that thar kinetic energy. "Shoot 'em in the foot 'en it'll blow his heart up". Fellow named George Somthin', writes for Guns R We'uns said so.  :D