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Please do your homework
« on: July 28, 2008, 10:38:24 AM »
CAPITAL GAINS TAX
 
MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples).  McCain does not propose any change in existing home sales income tax.
 
OBAMA
 28% on profit from ALL home sales
 
How does this affect you?  If you sell your home and make a profit, you will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.  If you are heading toward retirement and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This
proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes as part of their retirement income.
 
DIVIDEND TAX
 
MCCAIN 15% (no change)
 
OBAMA 39.6%
 
How will this affect you?  If you have any money invested in stock market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 4 0% of the money earned on taxes if Obama become president. The experts predict that 'higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.
 
INCOME TAX
 
MCCAIN (no changes)                             OBAMA (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
                                                                      
Single making 30K - tax $4,500            Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $12,500           Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $18,750           Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K- tax $9,000            Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $18,750           Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $31,250        Married making 125K - tax $38,750
 
Under Obama your taxes will more than double!  How does this affect you? No explanation
needed. This is pretty straight forward.
 
INHERITANCE TAX
 
MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax) OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax
 
How does this affect you? Many families have lost businesses, farms and ranches, and homes
that have been in their families for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax.
Those willing their assets to loved ones will not only lose them to these taxes.
 
NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA
 
 * New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet (I have a 2800 sq. ft house).
 * New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already) 
* New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water, electricity)
  * New taxes on retirement accounts and last but not least....
* New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-world countries!!!

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Re: Please do your homework
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2008, 11:41:20 AM »
Do you really think anyone who post on GB is going to vote for Obama?
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Re: Please do your homework
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2008, 11:45:53 AM »
Taxes are going up who ever gets in.

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Re: Please do your homework
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2008, 12:45:24 PM »
Do you really think anyone who post on GB is going to vote for Obama?

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Re: Please do your homework
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2008, 04:52:35 PM »
A hidden "gotcha" on the house sales capital gains tax: New house and condo buyers will have to pay more for their new homes to make up for the federal taxes the previous owners paid.

People who rent will have to pay more because the people buying houses and condo's to rent will have to charge more to make up for the increased amount they invested, and those who already have places to rent or lease will see that the market can bear a higher monthly fee.

This is going to hit the people who are most likely to vote for Obama, the young just starting out away from home.

The College educated with student loans to pay off are going to get nailed several ways. First, the education they have received is probably worth less because the teachers wasted so much time with stuff that is off topic, and the students do not have marketable skills. Second, they are going to get nailed with higher income tax, leaving them less to pay the student loan with. Third, as above. Housing costs.

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Re: Please do your homework
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2008, 05:58:47 PM »
  Did you get this in an email? 

Subject: Important read - Taxes

INTERESTING DATA JUST RECEIVED ON TAXES

Spread the word.....

This is something you should be
aware of so you don't get blind-sided.
This is really going to catch a lot
of families off guard. It should
make you worry.

Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:

CAPITAL GAINS TAX

MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000
per home (couples) McCain does not
propose any change in existing
home sales income tax.

OBAMA

28% on profit from ALL home sales

How does this affect you?
If you sell your home and make a profit, you
will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.

If you are heading toward retirement
and would like to down-size your
home or move into a retirement
community, 28% of the money you
make from your home will go to taxes. This
proposal will adversely affect the
elderly who are counting on the income
from their homes as part of their retirement income.

DIVIDEND TAX

MCCAIN 15% (no change)

OBAMA 39.6%

How will this affect you?
If you have any money invested in stock
market, IRA, mutual funds,
college funds, life insurance, retirement
accounts, or anything that pays
or reinvests dividends, you will now
be paying nearly 40% of the money
earned on taxes if Obama become president.

The experts predict that 'higher
tax rates on dividends and capital gains
would crash the stock market yet
do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.

INCOME TAX

MCCAIN (no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250

OBAMA
(reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750

Under Obama your taxes will
more than double!
How does this affect you? No explanation
needed. This is pretty
straight forward.

INHERITANCE TAX

MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)

OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax
How does this affect you? Many families
have lost businesses,
farms and ranches, and homes
that have
been in their families
for generations because they could not
afford the inheritance tax.
Those willing their assets to loved
ones will not only lose them to
these taxes.

NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA


* New government taxes proposed on
homes that are more than
2400 square feet


* New gasoline taxes (as if
gas weren't high enough already)


* New taxes on natural resources
consumption (heating
gas, water, electricity)


* New taxes on retirement accounts
and last but not least....

* New taxes to pay for socialized medicine
so we can receive the same
level of medical care as other
third-world countries!!!


 
A: No. A new e-mail being circulated about Obama's tax proposals is almost entirely false.
Alert readers may already have noted that this chain e-mail does not provide links to any of Obama's actual proposals or cite any sources for the claims it makes. That is because they are made up.This widely distributed message is so full of misinformation that we find it impossible to believe that it is the result of simple ignorance or carelessness on the part of the writer. Almost nothing it says about Obama's tax proposals is true. We conclude that this deception is deliberate.

Our own sources for the following are Obama's own Web site and other statements, interviews with Obama's policy advisers, and a comprehensive analysis of both the McCain and Obama tax plans produced by the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center, plus additional sources to which we have provided links.

Home Sales: The claim that Obama would impose a 28 percent tax on the profit from "all home sales" is false. Both Obama and McCain would continue to exempt the first $250,000 of gain from the sale of a primary residence ($500,000 for a married couple filing jointly) which results in zero tax on all but a very few home sales.


Capital Gains Rate: It's untrue that Obama is proposing a 28 percent capital gains tax rate. He said in an interview on CNBC that he favors raising the top rate on capital gains from its present 15 percent to 20 percent or more, but no higher than 28 percent. And as for a 28 percent rate, he added, "my guess would be it would be significantly lower than that." Furthermore, he has said only couples making $250,000 or more (or, his policy advisers tell us, singles making more than $200,000) would pay the higher capital gains rate. That means the large majority of persons who pay capital gains taxes would see no increase at all.


Tax on Dividends: Another false claim is that Obama proposes to raise the tax rate on dividends to 39.6 percent. Dividends currently are taxed at a top rate of 15 percent, and Obama would raise that to the same rate as he would tax capital gains, somewhere between 20 percent and 28 percent but likely "significantly" lower than 28 percent. This higher tax also would fall only on couples making $250,000 or more or singles making more than $200,000.


Taxing IRAs and 529s: Contrary to the claim in this e-mail, raising tax rates on capital gains or dividends would not result in higher taxes on any investments held in Individual Retirement Accounts or in popular, tax-deferred "college funds" under section 529 of the Internal Revenue Code. The whole point of such tax-deferred plans is that dividends and capital gains are allowed to accumulate and compound tax-free, and neither Obama nor McCain proposes to change that. And as previously mentioned, any capital gains or dividend income from stocks, bonds or mutual funds owned outside of tax-deferred accounts would continue to be taxed at current rates except for couples making over $250,000, or singles making more than $200,000.


Doubled Taxes? The claim that "Under Obama your taxes will more than double!" is also false. The comparative rate tables this e-mail provides for McCain and Obama are entirely wrong, as we explained in an earlier article March 13 about another false e-mail from which these tables are copied. It is supposedly a comparison of tax rates before and after the Bush tax cuts, but it grossly overstates the effect of the Bush cuts. Furthermore, Obama proposes to retain the Bush cuts for every single income level shown in this bogus table.


Estate Tax. The claim that Obama proposes to "restore the inheritance tax" is also false, as are the claims that McCain would impose zero tax and that Bush "repealed" it. McCain and Obama both would retain a reduced version of the estate tax, as it is correctly called, though McCain would reduce it by more.

The tax now falls only on estates valued at more than $2 million (effectively $4 million for couples able to set up the required legal and financial arrangements). It reaches a maximum rate of 45 percent on amounts more than that. It was not repealed, but it is set to expire temporarily in 2010, then return in 2011, when it would apply to estates valued at more than $1 million ($2 million for couples), with the maximum rate rising to 55 percent.

Obama has proposed to apply the tax only to estates valued at more than $3.5 million ($7 million for couples), holding the maximum rate at 45 percent. McCain would apply it to estates worth more than $5 million ($10 million for couples), with a maximum rate of 15 percent.


"New Tax" Falsehoods: The e-mail continues with a string of made-up taxes that it falsely claims Obama has proposed. He has not proposed a tax on new homes with more than 2,400 square feet, or a new gasoline tax or a tax on retirement accounts. The most laughably false claim is that Obama would tax "water."

Two claims in this message, while not completely false, are still grossly misleading.

The claim that Obama would impose "new taxes on natural resources" may refer to his support for a cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions, which indeed would impose large costs on industries burning coal, gas or oil and, indirectly, on their consumers. But McCain also supports cap-and-trade legislation, and even coauthored an early version of a bill that reached the Senate floor this year. Obama's plan would give the federal government more of the revenue from auctioning pollution permits than McCain's plan. Whether cap-and-trade amounts to a "tax" is a matter of interpretation. The fact is neither McCain nor Obama call it that.

There is also some truth to the claim that Obama would impose "new taxes" to finance his health care plan, depending on your interpretation of "new." He has said he would pay for much of his plan "by allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire for people making more than $250,000 per year, as they are scheduled to do." That would certainly be a tax increase for those high-income persons, compared with what they are paying now. But whether that's imposing a new tax, or just letting an old one come back, depends on your point of view. It may well be that Obama will eventually propose tax increases to finance some of his plan. We've noted before that the "cost savings" that he says will finance much of his plan are inflated and probably won't materialize, according to independent experts we consulted. But it's wrong to say that he's proposing such taxes now.

The short answer to our reader's question is, no, this message isn't real. It's a pack of lies.

-Brooks Jackson
 

Sources
“Background Questions and Answers on Health Care Plan.” Barack Obama’s Web site, accessed 10 July 2008.

“Energy and Environment. “Barack Obama’s Web site, accessed 10 July 2008.


News Release: “CNBC’s Maria Bartiromo Speaks with Senator Barack Obama on CNBC’s “Closing Bell.” 27 March 2008. CNBC Web site.


“Plan to Strengthen the Economy.” Barack Obama’s Web site, accessed 10 July 2008.


Tax Policy Center: Urban Institute and Brookings Institution. “A Preliminary Analysis of the 2008 Presidential Candidates’ Tax Plans,” 20 June 2008.
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Re: Please do your homework
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2008, 06:08:52 PM »
Do you really think anyone who post on GB is going to vote for Obama?

I think there was 4 or 5 that voted they are voting for him and while others may be making the right choice it will end up putting Obama in.
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Re: Please do your homework
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2008, 02:12:52 AM »
OH.....THE IRONY!

Title of post - "Please do your homework"
Irony - the entire post is a regurgitation of BS that is being sent around as SPAM.....and PASSED AS FACT.  BETTER YET.... folks who consider themselves "edumacated" are taking the bait.

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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2008, 04:09:36 AM »
   I'm not an Obamanite, but this is another example of the disinfo campaign that the GOPers wage since the days of Carl Rove tactics. They did the same thing regarding the recent Obama trip to the ME and Europe stating he refused to visit/talk to troops, etc.....a McCain endorsed advertisement....even Chuck Hagel was miffed at this disinfo tactic.....disinfo being lieing.
   Taxes are something very dear to my wallet and as far as I can tell Obama wants taxes raised on those making more than $278,000/year and actually to hold the line on less fortunate wage earners. In any case taxes are going up either directly or by the backdoor thanx to total fiscal mismanagement of the last 7 years.

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Obama has supported a return of 28% on the capital gains tax, across the board.  So that part about the house profits would be correct and WOULD NOT be affected by how much you make.

As to total mismanagement of "the last 7 years":  Try the last 70.  To put all the blame on Bush is to say that you're a party line hack who can't think past your own dogma.  Is it a problem?  Yes.  Does every president and congress since the New Deal deserve blame?  Yes.

Can one of you pro-tax guys pass on a link to the specifics of Obama's proposal?  You seem certain that these numbers are not correct but I don't know what numbers would be correct...

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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2008, 05:12:59 AM »
Can one of you pro-tax guys pass on a link to the specifics of Obama's proposal?  You seem certain that these numbers are not correct but I don't know what numbers would be correct...
Obama has promised many things, and changed his tune once he has gained enough support to allow him to ignore what he said before and make further promises he has no intention of keeping. The nutroots on the left (Kos and crowd) are frothing at the mouth at each new position he takes.

Obama is running on personality, there sure isn't any substance or reputation for him to use, and the MSM is in love, overlooking the little quirks and foibles that warn of infidelity and untrustworthiness.

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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2008, 10:00:26 AM »
Can one of you pro-tax guys pass on a link to the specifics of Obama's proposal?  You seem certain that these numbers are not correct but I don't know what numbers would be correct...
Obama has promised many things, and changed his tune once he has gained enough support to allow him to ignore what he said before and make further promises he has no intention of keeping. The nutroots on the left (Kos and crowd) are frothing at the mouth at each new position he takes.

Obama is running on personality, there sure isn't any substance or reputation for him to use, and the MSM is in love, overlooking the little quirks and foibles that warn of infidelity and untrustworthiness.


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Re: Please do your homework
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2008, 05:23:49 PM »
I have followed this for quite some time.  Most of what I printed is or "was" at one time true.  This goes back a ways in his voting record and promises he made.  He has flip-flopped on issues.  After he won the election from Hillary, he moved his positions toward the middle to appease more people.  Which is he?  He can't promise everything to everyone.  What he has promised would cost about $500 billion more than the current federal budget with its deficit.  He can't do it without raising a lot of taxes from somewhere, or gut the military. 

Our number one issue is ENERGY, especially liquid energy.  Once the energy problem is solved, no imports, no trade decifits.  Produced and distributed energy at home spends money here and creates more home grown jobs.  And it eliminates the need for securing Arab oil.